What do you guys think of this HDTV?

[MBrown]

Sony Grand WEGA KDF-55E2000

I've been reading up on this TV. Its native resolution is 720p. Anything else it receives, the TV will convert it to 720p. How bad do you think it will mess up the quality. The folks at AVS love this TV and say that you can hardly notice any difference when the TV converts anything from 1080i to 720p. I just wanted to get some more opinions on this TV. Thanks.

OK what do you guys think about this TV? Its still 720p but its a 50inch plasma.
Vizio 50" Plasma HDTV

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: MBrown
Sony Grand WEGA KDF-55E2000

I've been reading up on this TV. Its native resolution is 720p. Anything else it receives, the TV will convert it to 720p. How bad do you think it will mess up the quality. The folks at AVS love this TV and say that you can hardly notice any difference when the TV converts anything from 1080i to 720p. I just wanted to get some more opinions on this TV. Thanks.

You can definitely see the difference between 720p and 1080i.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Meh, I'd get a Samsung HLS- series 1080p DLP TV in that price range.

In fact I did

 

[JackBurton]

Why get that when you can get this for less? It's bigger, has better PQ, and is cheaper. What more can you ask for?

 

[MBrown]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Why get that when you can get this for less? It's bigger, has better PQ, and is cheaper. What more can you ask for?

Can you explain to me how thats cheaper?

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: MBrown

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Why get that when you can get this for less? It's bigger, has better PQ, and is cheaper. What more can you ask for?

Can you explain to me how thats cheaper?

Sure. $1499<$1599. See? Easy math.

 

[suse920]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: MBrown
Sony Grand WEGA KDF-55E2000

I've been reading up on this TV. Its native resolution is 720p. Anything else it receives, the TV will convert it to 720p. How bad do you think it will mess up the quality. The folks at AVS love this TV and say that you can hardly notice any difference when the TV converts anything from 1080i to 720p. I just wanted to get some more opinions on this TV. Thanks.

You can definitely see the difference between 720p and 1080i.

yeah 720p is much better

 

[MBrown]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: MBrown

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Why get that when you can get this for less? It's bigger, has better PQ, and is cheaper. What more can you ask for?

Can you explain to me how thats cheaper?

Sure. $1499<$1599. See? Easy math.

sarcasm?

 

[MBrown]

Originally posted by: suse920

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: MBrown
Sony Grand WEGA KDF-55E2000

I've been reading up on this TV. Its native resolution is 720p. Anything else it receives, the TV will convert it to 720p. How bad do you think it will mess up the quality. The folks at AVS love this TV and say that you can hardly notice any difference when the TV converts anything from 1080i to 720p. I just wanted to get some more opinions on this TV. Thanks.

You can definitely see the difference between 720p and 1080i.

yeah 720p is much better

Even when 1080i is being scaled to 720P?

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: MBrown

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: MBrown

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Why get that when you can get this for less? It's bigger, has better PQ, and is cheaper. What more can you ask for?

Can you explain to me how thats cheaper?

Sure. $1499<$1599. See? Easy math.

sarcasm?

What do you mean? The set I linked you to is $1499. Add it to the cart for the final price.

 

[CTrain]

Originally posted by: MBrown

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: MBrown

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Why get that when you can get this for less? It's bigger, has better PQ, and is cheaper. What more can you ask for?

Can you explain to me how thats cheaper?

Sure. $1499<$1599. See? Easy math.

sarcasm?

Whats so sarcasm about it ?? The Samsung is better and cheaper than the Sony.

 

[MBrown]

Originally posted by: CTrain

Originally posted by: MBrown

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: MBrown

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Why get that when you can get this for less? It's bigger, has better PQ, and is cheaper. What more can you ask for?

Can you explain to me how thats cheaper?

Sure. $1499<$1599. See? Easy math.

sarcasm?

Whats so sarcasm about it ?? The Samsung is better and cheaper than the Sony.

That link says its $2,398.99 for me.

Oops. I didn't add it to the cart. That price cannot be real.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: suse920

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: MBrown
Sony Grand WEGA KDF-55E2000

I've been reading up on this TV. Its native resolution is 720p. Anything else it receives, the TV will convert it to 720p. How bad do you think it will mess up the quality. The folks at AVS love this TV and say that you can hardly notice any difference when the TV converts anything from 1080i to 720p. I just wanted to get some more opinions on this TV. Thanks.

You can definitely see the difference between 720p and 1080i.

yeah 720p is much better

No, it is not much better. If you have a TV that can only display 720p, then you won't be able to tell the difference. But on my TV that has a true 1080i display, the difference is completely noticeable.

Saying that you can't see the difference is like saying that you can't tell the difference between a monitor set to 800x600 and 1024x768. It's completely obvious.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: MBrown

Originally posted by: suse920

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: MBrown
Sony Grand WEGA KDF-55E2000

I've been reading up on this TV. Its native resolution is 720p. Anything else it receives, the TV will convert it to 720p. How bad do you think it will mess up the quality. The folks at AVS love this TV and say that you can hardly notice any difference when the TV converts anything from 1080i to 720p. I just wanted to get some more opinions on this TV. Thanks.

You can definitely see the difference between 720p and 1080i.

yeah 720p is much better

Even when 1080i is being scaled to 720P?

It's just up to YOU when it comes to 720P vs. 1080i. Some people notice no difference. Some people think one looks better than the other.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: MBrown

Originally posted by: CTrain

Originally posted by: MBrown

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: MBrown

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Why get that when you can get this for less? It's bigger, has better PQ, and is cheaper. What more can you ask for?

Can you explain to me how thats cheaper?

Sure. $1499<$1599. See? Easy math.

sarcasm?

Whats so sarcasm about it ?? The Samsung is better and cheaper than the Sony.

That link says its $2,398.99 for me.

Oh Jesus Christ, add it to your cart!

Edit: Sorry, I saw you just noticed the price. And yeah, it's real. And OneCall is a bad ass dealer! Now quit fvcking around with that sh!tty Sony and get the Samsung (well at least reserve it). I'd probably throw in at least a 2yr warranty too. If you can do 3, better yet. If you have a problem with your set, they'll drive to your place to fix it. No hauling your set in for repairs. :|

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: MBrown

Originally posted by: suse920

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: MBrown
Sony Grand WEGA KDF-55E2000

I've been reading up on this TV. Its native resolution is 720p. Anything else it receives, the TV will convert it to 720p. How bad do you think it will mess up the quality. The folks at AVS love this TV and say that you can hardly notice any difference when the TV converts anything from 1080i to 720p. I just wanted to get some more opinions on this TV. Thanks.

You can definitely see the difference between 720p and 1080i.

yeah 720p is much better

Even when 1080i is being scaled to 720P?

You have to understand that some people are just stupid. Of course 720p isn't going to be better, you have less resolution to work with. When 1080p becomes the standard, you'll still have some nutcase saying that his 1991 standard TV looks just as good.

 

[mrrman]

personally Sony is my last choice..overpriced IMO

 

[QED]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: MBrown

Originally posted by: suse920

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: MBrown
Sony Grand WEGA KDF-55E2000

I've been reading up on this TV. Its native resolution is 720p. Anything else it receives, the TV will convert it to 720p. How bad do you think it will mess up the quality. The folks at AVS love this TV and say that you can hardly notice any difference when the TV converts anything from 1080i to 720p. I just wanted to get some more opinions on this TV. Thanks.

You can definitely see the difference between 720p and 1080i.

yeah 720p is much better

Even when 1080i is being scaled to 720P?

You have to understand that some people are just stupid. Of course 720p isn't going to be better, you have less resolution to work with. When 1080p becomes the standard, you'll still have some nutcase saying that his 1991 standard TV looks just as good.

911TZ, you do understand that 1080i != 1080p.

With regards to what is "best", it really all depends... what is the original resolution of the input? what is the native resolution of the display? what is the viewing distance? what is the source material (i.e. film? upscaled digital footage? etc.)? if the input and output native display resolution aren't the same, what scaler(s) is/are being used? if necessary, what kind of interlacer/de-interlacer(s) is(are) being used? how many pieces of hardware are fiddling with the signal all the way from input to display?

All things being ideal, 1080p input would look best on a native 1080p display, and 720p input would look best on a 720p display. Depending on the scaler and de-interlacer used, standard-def 480i could look any where from passable to downright awful on either-- which means... **GASP** for most standard-def television viewing the best set is likely that 3 to 4-year old standard CRT TV.

So please stop with this stupid "1080i is better then 720p" generalities crap...

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: QED

911TZ, you do understand that 1080i != 1080p.

With regards to what is "best", it really all depends... what is the original resolution of the input? what is the native resolution of the display? what is the viewing distance? what is the source material (i.e. film? upscaled digital footage? etc.)? if the input and output native display resolution aren't the same, what scaler(s) is/are being used? if necessary, what kind of interlacer/de-interlacer(s) is(are) being used? how many pieces of hardware are fiddling with the signal all the way from input to display?

All things being ideal, 1080p input would look best on a native 1080p display, and 720p input would look best on a 720p display. Depending on the scaler and de-interlacer used, standard-def 480i could look any where from passable to downright awful on either-- which means... **GASP** for most standard-def television viewing the best set is likely that 3 to 4-year old standard CRT TV.

So please stop with this stupid "1080i is better then 720p" generalities crap...

Lets use some common sense, the kind you'd use if you were intelligent (I'll help you out here)

A 1080i program from a 1080i source will look better on a 1080i HDTV than a 720p program from a 720p source on a 720p TV.

Just take a look at iNHD, and one of their programs from IMAX film. It's displayed in true 1080i and looks fantastic. You will not find a program in 720p with that kind of clarity. It simply lacks the resolution. You're getting lost in the details, fool.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Originally posted by: MBrown
That link says its $2,398.99 for me.

Oops. I didn't add it to the cart. That price cannot be real.

Amazon has had similar prices on this set, check them too if you want.

I have the 50" version, great set. It also has excellent upscaling of 480i to 1080p so you can wait to buy an upconverting DVD player until later.

 

[QED]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: QED

911TZ, you do understand that 1080i != 1080p.

With regards to what is "best", it really all depends... what is the original resolution of the input? what is the native resolution of the display? what is the viewing distance? what is the source material (i.e. film? upscaled digital footage? etc.)? if the input and output native display resolution aren't the same, what scaler(s) is/are being used? if necessary, what kind of interlacer/de-interlacer(s) is(are) being used? how many pieces of hardware are fiddling with the signal all the way from input to display?

All things being ideal, 1080p input would look best on a native 1080p display, and 720p input would look best on a 720p display. Depending on the scaler and de-interlacer used, standard-def 480i could look any where from passable to downright awful on either-- which means... **GASP** for most standard-def television viewing the best set is likely that 3 to 4-year old standard CRT TV.

So please stop with this stupid "1080i is better then 720p" generalities crap...

Lets use some common sense, the kind you'd use if you were intelligent (I'll help you out here)

A 1080i program from a 1080i source will look better on a 1080i HDTV than a 720p program from a 720p source on a 720p TV.

Just take a look at iNHD, and one of their programs from IMAX film. It's displayed in true 1080i and looks fantastic. You will not find a program in 720p with that kind of clarity. It simply lacks the resolution. You're getting lost in the details, fool.

Hmmm... that bolded part looks suspiciously similiar to what I just said.

You really suck at backtracking... you were the one that proclaimed 1080i is better than 720p as though your word was gospel... which is why I said your generalization is crap...

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: QED

Hmmm... that bolded part looks suspiciously similiar to what I just said.

You really suck at backtracking... you were the one that proclaimed 1080i is better than 720p as though your word was gospel... which is why I said your generalization is crap...

I'm arguing with an idiot. You lack the tools to even carry on an argument, yet you try.


I was replying to a guy who said "yeah 720p is much better". If you didn't like my generalization, why would you defend his?

I hate it when idiots want to dodge a direct point and instead try to make it an apples/oranges comparison. You know the point the person is trying to make, don't play dumb. Do you really think that when I said that 1080i is better than 720p, that I meant 480i being displayed on a 1080i TV compared to a 720p program on a 720p TV? Use some common sense man.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: QED

Hmmm... that bolded part looks suspiciously similiar to what I just said.

You really suck at backtracking... you were the one that proclaimed 1080i is better than 720p as though your word was gospel... which is why I said your generalization is crap...

I'm arguing with an idiot. You lack the tools to even carry on an argument, yet you try.


I was replying to a guy who said "yeah 720p is much better".

Dude, what old ass TV do you have that displays 1080i? Pretty much all new HDTVs are progressive, either 720p or 1080p, although just about all of them will accept a 1080i signal. And when I say new, I mean HDTV produced in the last few years, DLPs, LCDs, plasmas.

 

[MBrown]

Yikes!

 

[ntdz]

I hate non flat panel tvs, so I don't really care for it.