What do you guys think of this HDTV?

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: MBrown

Originally posted by: suse920

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: MBrown
Sony Grand WEGA KDF-55E2000

I've been reading up on this TV. Its native resolution is 720p. Anything else it receives, the TV will convert it to 720p. How bad do you think it will mess up the quality. The folks at AVS love this TV and say that you can hardly notice any difference when the TV converts anything from 1080i to 720p. I just wanted to get some more opinions on this TV. Thanks.

You can definitely see the difference between 720p and 1080i.

yeah 720p is much better

Even when 1080i is being scaled to 720P?

You have to understand that some people are just stupid. Of course 720p isn't going to be better, you have less resolution to work with. When 1080p becomes the standard, you'll still have some nutcase saying that his 1991 standard TV looks just as good.

I really hope you're kidding, because there is no a discernible difference in the two resolutions. Both have a similar number of pixels as well.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Dude, what old ass TV do you have that displays 1080i? Pretty much all new HDTVs are progressive, either 720p or 1080p, although just about all of them will accept a 1080i signal. And when I say new, I mean HDTV produced in the last few years, DLPs, LCDs, plasmas.

My TV is about a year old. When I shopped around, I read reviews on AVS forums and looked to see which TV had the best picture quality that I could afford. While DLPs, LCDs and plasmas are newer technology, I read that CRTs still deliver the best picture quality. I bought a Sony KD-30XS955. It has the same type of tube as the XBR, the super fine pitch Trinitron.

I'm very satisfied with the purchase. The picture is extremely sharp, and looks better than most of LCDs, DLPs, and Plasmas that I've seen. Some of the brand new 1080p TVs showing a 1080p signal will look better, but at the current moment, good luck finding a station that broadcasts in 1080p. Such a TV will also cost many times what I paid.

Seriously, I wish you could see a CRT XBR or mine with the same tube. The picture quality is extremely good. Also, to complement the TV, I bought a Digital VHS VCR, which aren't very popular, but I've found very useful. It records in 1080i, so when I record a show on iNHD, the recording looks identical to the original broadcast. I'm also very satisfied with that purchase.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: ntdz


I really hope you're kidding, because there is no a discernible difference in the two resolutions. Both have a similar number of pixels as well.

There is definitely a discernible difference in the two resolutions. Many people claim that they can't tell the difference, but often that's because the TV they have (many LCDs) simply scales both broadcasts back to 720p. Also, most TVs don't display the full HDTV resolutions, they scale them back to what the tube/LCD/Plasma panel can display. When I shopped for my TV, I specifically was looking for the highest resolution that I could afford. The tube/scaler in mine is capable of displaying nearly the full 1080 lines, which at first glance sounds like they all should, but most don't actually support.

The part which confuses most people is the interlaced part. Since 1080i only refreshes half the lines at once, they think you should divide the resolution in half. It's trickery that your eye most likely won't pick up, though. By the same logic, one could make the case that DLP TVs only really display variations of 1 primary color at a time, which while technically true (due to the color wheel), isn't going to be much of a factor.

My setup works well for me. I have my TV on a stand in the corner (which makes the depth of the tube a non-issue), I have my Comcast HD box hooked up to my DVHS VCR with a firewire cable, I have a DVI cable running from my computer to the HDMI input, and I have a Sony standard DVD player. I originally bought an upconverting DVD player, but I saw no improvement over a standard DVD player since my TV automatically upconverts the signal anyway. I guess the built-in upconverter works better than the one in the DVD player I had.

 

[imported_rscott]

the 1080i TV's at work give me a headache after about 15 minutes. The interlaced reso bothers me.

 

[MBrown]

OK what do you guys think about this TV? Its still 720p but its a 50inch plasma.
Vizio 50" Plasma HDTV

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
You have to understand that some people are just stupid. Of course 720p isn't going to be better, you have less resolution to work with. When 1080p becomes the standard, you'll still have some nutcase saying that his 1991 standard TV looks just as good.

I really hope you're kidding, because there is no a discernible difference in the two resolutions. Both have a similar number of pixels as well.

If you consider the difference between 2,000,000 to 900,000 or so pixels to not be discernible, then you are correct. Personally, I consider a 125% increase in pixels to be significant.

You do realize that a 1080P TV will display a 1080i signal as 1080p? Basically, if your seating position is close enough to enable the viewer to resolve the increased resolution, then there would be a large difference between 720P and 1080P. Certainly, it would be less noticeable than the jump from SDTV to HDTV but it would be plenty noticeable.

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

I like how all the people arguing are not even arguing on the same subject as their "opponent"

You're all making different assumptions about what you're arguing about :laugh:

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
I like how all the people arguing are not even arguing on the same subject as their "opponent"

You're all making different assumptions about what you're arguing about :laugh:

This is true but 1080p is becoming pretty prevalent. It's silly to talk about 1080i when it means different things to differ net TV's. 1080i on a 1080p TV is quite different than 1080i on a 1080i TV.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Originally posted by: MBrown
OK what do you guys think about this TV? Its still 720p but its a 50inch plasma.
Vizio 50" Plasma HDTV

Why not listen to ol' Jack Burton and get the Samsung DLP?

It's 1080p, has 1080p inputs, great upscaling, excellent reviews, and is light (under 90 pounds) and not too bulky (about 18" deep).

 

[d3n]

Often I am pretty sad at the bit starved HD channels on Direct TV. I remember being much happier with the quality of HD 5 years ago.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: MBrown
OK what do you guys think about this TV? Its still 720p but its a 50inch plasma.
Vizio 50" Plasma HDTV

So hold on, I just gave you a link to a top of the line DLP set at a GREAT price, and then you come back and ask about a low end plasma? I tell you what, why don't you keep with your original HDTV selection at CompUSA. I think that set is perfect for you.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Originally posted by: MBrown
OK what do you guys think about this TV? Its still 720p but its a 50inch plasma.
Vizio 50" Plasma HDTV

Why not listen to ol' Jack Burton and get the Samsung DLP?

It's 1080p, has 1080p inputs, great upscaling, excellent reviews, and is light (under 90 pounds) and not too bulky (about 18" deep).

That's a good question. It's even in stock now. Instead, I don't even get a "thanks" for saving him some money AND pointing him to a MUCH better set. Oh well, the Lord works in mysterious ways.

 

[MBrown]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Originally posted by: MBrown
OK what do you guys think about this TV? Its still 720p but its a 50inch plasma.
Vizio 50" Plasma HDTV

Why not listen to ol' Jack Burton and get the Samsung DLP?

It's 1080p, has 1080p inputs, great upscaling, excellent reviews, and is light (under 90 pounds) and not too bulky (about 18" deep).

That's a good question. It's even in stock now. Instead, I don't even get a "thanks" for saving him some money AND pointing him to a MUCH better set. Oh well, the Lord works in mysterious ways.

Im trying to look at a bunch of them to see which one I like the best. Im not saying that the Samsung is a bad TV.

 

[Deeko]

91TTZ is being really annoying and unnecessarily aggressive in this thread, so I hate to defend him, but he's right about the CRT thing. A friend of mine has a Sony XBR HD tube, and it looks FAR superior to anything else I've seen.

However, he was brutally attacking someone above for trying to break generalizations. I realize he initially was responding to one generalization with another, but when someone tries to clarify that neither is true, no reason to start calling everyone idiots with no intelligence (when they were actually being intelligent)

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Deeko
91TTZ is being really annoying and unnecessarily aggressive in this thread, so I hate to defend him, but he's right about the CRT thing. A friend of mine has a Sony XBR HD tube, and it looks FAR superior to anything else I've seen.

However, he was brutally attacking someone above for trying to break generalizations. I realize he initially was responding to one generalization with another, but when someone tries to clarify that neither is true, no reason to start calling everyone idiots with no intelligence (when they were actually being intelligent)

Sorry dudes, I was in a bad mood last night.

But I do stand by what I said, I can definitely tell the difference between 720p and 1080i on my TV. The main difference between my TV and the XBR is the amount of inputs on the back. They have the same tube.

 

[MBrown]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Why get that when you can get this for less? It's bigger, has better PQ, and is cheaper. What more can you ask for?

is this a sale price?

 

[MBrown]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: MBrown
OK what do you guys think about this TV? Its still 720p but its a 50inch plasma.
Vizio 50" Plasma HDTV

So hold on, I just gave you a link to a top of the line DLP set at a GREAT price, and then you come back and ask about a low end plasma? I tell you what, why don't you keep with your original HDTV selection at CompUSA. I think that set is perfect for you.

But the shipping is $150!

 

[DaveSimmons]

OnceCall now has the Samsung 56" at $1,600 (you wait a week, you pay for it), but the 50" is only $1,400. Shipping is $150 on each but tax is $0 outside of WA.

Also check Amazon.com they've had some similar deals but with free shipping.

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: QED

Hmmm... that bolded part looks suspiciously similiar to what I just said.

You really suck at backtracking... you were the one that proclaimed 1080i is better than 720p as though your word was gospel... which is why I said your generalization is crap...

I'm arguing with an idiot. You lack the tools to even carry on an argument, yet you try.


I was replying to a guy who said "yeah 720p is much better". If you didn't like my generalization, why would you defend his?

I hate it when idiots want to dodge a direct point and instead try to make it an apples/oranges comparison. You know the point the person is trying to make, don't play dumb. Do you really think that when I said that 1080i is better than 720p, that I meant 480i being displayed on a 1080i TV compared to a 720p program on a 720p TV? Use some common sense man.

I've never seen someone get so worked up over TV resolution. You need to get out more.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: MBrown

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: MBrown
OK what do you guys think about this TV? Its still 720p but its a 50inch plasma.
Vizio 50" Plasma HDTV

So hold on, I just gave you a link to a top of the line DLP set at a GREAT price, and then you come back and ask about a low end plasma? I tell you what, why don't you keep with your original HDTV selection at CompUSA. I think that set is perfect for you.

But the shipping is $150!

But you don't pay tax on it!

 

[DaveSimmons]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: MBrown

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: MBrown
OK what do you guys think about this TV? Its still 720p but its a 50inch plasma.
Vizio 50" Plasma HDTV

So hold on, I just gave you a link to a top of the line DLP set at a GREAT price, and then you come back and ask about a low end plasma? I tell you what, why don't you keep with your original HDTV selection at CompUSA. I think that set is perfect for you.

But the shipping is $150!

But you don't pay tax on it!

Lisa needs braces!


The 50" at $1,400 is a great deal too.