What do you object to about Christianity?

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sandorski

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After the body was placed in a solid rock tomb, an extremely large stone was rolled against the entrance of the tomb. Large stones weighing approximately two tons were normally rolled (by means of levers) against a tomb entrance.
A Roman guard of strictly disciplined fighting men was stationed to guard the tomb. This guard affixed on the tomb the Roman seal, which was meant to "prevent any attempt at vandalizing the sepulcher. Anyone trying to move the stone from the tomb's entrance would have broken the seal and thus incurred the wrath of Roman law.

Those who observed the stone after the resurrection describe its position as having been rolled up a slope away not just from the entrance of the tomb, but from the entire massive sepulcher. It was in such a position that it looked as if it had been picked up and carried away. If the disciples had wanted to come in, tiptoe around the sleeping guards, and then roll the stone over and steal Jesus' body, how could they have done that without the guards' awareness?

You forgot the punchline?
 

Itchrelief

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I believe what the bible says about itself.

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. (2 Timothy 3:16)

This thread is going nowhere.

Honestly, what is the point for either side in these things?
 

Jeff7

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I believe what the bible says about itself.

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. (2 Timothy 3:16)
If the Bible was a computer program, it'd be stuck in an infinite recursive loop, assuming it would even compile properly in the first place.
 

PsiStar

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If Christianity was a big fraud, then then why would the bible even contain different accounts which at fist glance are contradictory. That's a pretty bad conspiracy!
"conspiracy" is putting words in people's mouth and twisting the issues.

The bible is a result of many councils (aka committees) of frequent hand picked *men*. My opinion ... they were probably all English middle aged (relatively speaking) white guys, were of the few who could read, valued their heads, and were members of the Church of England (no surprise). *One* of those groups created the King James version which resulted in many re-writes, deleted books, an the introduction of so-called errors. The point being is that the King told them what the goal was to be. And later people (more middle aged white guys) "fixed" it.

Council of Nicaea. The 1st assembly was only a few hundred years after Jesus, but I think it there that Jesus was deemed the Son of God versus just another guy that waved his hands in front of lots of people that couldn't read, and either herded sheep or fished knowing nothing else. The Council of Nicaea sorted thru a lot writings and devised an arbitrary set of ambiguous rules to filter out what writing would be *books* and what would not be "gospel".

Witnesses. Any of today's court of laws has considerable difficulty determining what, who, & when anytime there are witnesses. It is possible I suppose that the human race has de-evolved meaning become less intelligent. So perhaps today's man is not nearly as observant as those 2000 years ago. But I have not seen this used as an argument very often. So assuming the we are equal intelligence of those "then". And given that today's witnesses are no more trained observers as they could have been "then" ... not much credence can be given to the witness theory much less argue that surely they would have objected to errors in anyone's written account. Right.

Therefore, the consistency and concordance of the books of the Bible ARE no accident (al-l-lll of those middle aged white guys mentioned earlier) and *IS* by some other white guy's (a King often) directive.

The result is several versions of the Bible. In believing what the Bible says about itself, which one? What about what one version says about a different version?

Finally, to the subject of the thread, I object to proselytizing. Which is the act of attempting to convert people to another opinion and, particularly, another religion (clipped from wikipedia). In particular the innocence that so-called Christians live under in the blaming of late, Islam of using the concept to convert the world to Islam.

One of my Sunday School teachers stated quite clearly that if you believe in your faith then you should be talking with and convincing others to believe in Christ. At that time I was wondering about those Methodist sinners across town ... that where in my school class and I saw the rest of the week. THEN, I learned about... Baptists!!! OMG. Wait? What? There are Mormons? Uhhhh, Catholics? Well, clearly most of the world is doomed to Hell and I am lucky to be taught by the correct church from the correct Book.

Islam? Hindu? Please, surely Hell isn't that big.
 

DanDaManJC

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One of my Sunday School teachers stated quite clearly that if you believe in your faith then you should be talking with and convincing others to believe in Christ. At that time I was wondering about those Methodist sinners across town ... that where in my school class and I saw the rest of the week. THEN, I learned about... Baptists!!! OMG. Wait? What? There are Mormons? Uhhhh, Catholics? Well, clearly most of the world is doomed to Hell and I am lucky to be taught by the correct church from the correct Book.

Islam? Hindu? Please, surely Hell isn't that big.

Most certainly this. Is there really a good answer to this objection? How could a loving God send so many to hell?

Often times the answer is that He is just and has given everyone a chance... but the chance given to those in Christian nations is much more likely than those not in Christian nations since it's both "the way to heaven" in Christian nations AND gutturally accepted.

I suppose it ends up being a matter of tough love for the 99% of those in non-christian nations who don't convert. But it just seems so unfair and unloving when God supposedly loves all of his creation.
 

Cerpin Taxt

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Over 500 people saw Jesus' resurrected body at the same time!
I died and came back to life. A million people saw me. Therefore it is more certain that I actually resurrected than that Jesus did.

Go ahead, challenge me.

The New Testament accounts of the resurrection were being circulated within the lifetimes of men and women alive at the time of the resurrection. Those people could certainly have confirmed or denied the accuracy of such accounts.
Again, investigative journalism is an advent of the nineteenth century, not the first century. We don't have the writings of anyone refuting the tales of Odysseus either, should we believe that those are historical accounts too?
 

Jeff7

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I died and came back to life. A million people saw me. Therefore it is more certain that I actually resurrected than that Jesus did.

Go ahead, challenge me.
This person is correct, and his post has been deemed true by me, <deity>.


There, now the information about your resurrection has been validated to true Biblical standards, and is therefore irrefutable.
 

Cerpin Taxt

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This person is correct, and his post has been deemed true by me, <deity>.


There, now the information about your resurrection has been validated to true Biblical standards, and is therefore irrefutable.

Sweet. When do we start collecting tithes? :sneaky:
 

sandorski

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Oct 10, 1999
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This person is correct, and his post has been deemed true by me, <deity>.


There, now the information about your resurrection has been validated to true Biblical standards, and is therefore irrefutable.

As I went to pay my respect, the grave was open, and an angel of the Lord spoke to me in a Heavenly language, "No hablo inglés". Indeed, it was as he said, Cerpin Taxt had risen from the Grave!
 

Lifted

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Over 400 posts? Surely at least 1 person has been converted to Christianity by now, or has had their faith renewed. Is anyone keeping score?
 

Ns1

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I died and came back to life. A million people saw me. Therefore it is more certain that I actually resurrected than that Jesus did.

This is truth. I saw it with my own eyes. I hope some future civilization discovers this forum post and tells others of this miracle that we witnessed.
 

SlitheryDee

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This is truth. I saw it with my own eyes. I hope some future civilization discovers this forum post and tells others of this miracle that we witnessed.

In 70 years my grandson will interview a friend of your nephew's son's girlfriend and write down what they say. It will be the first gospel of Cerpin Taxt.
 

40sTheme

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By The Bible:
Hitler - Heaven
Gandhi - Hell

I can't do it. That's a big reason, but many others invade as well.
 
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