What do you object to about Christianity?

[Born2bwire]

I object to their continual reinforcement of cannabalism.

 

[esquared]

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I've been good enough to be continously employed for about 25 yrs and to have been awarded 60 US Patents. Are there better scientists than me? There are plenty. Engaging in science is humbling because it makes you realize just how much you don't know.

Was one of your patents awarded for the three dimensional blackboard (3DBB)?

 

[Nik]

60 patents? Who gives a shit. I know somebody with 2 patents for file compression and he'll be the first to admit that they're worthless because nobody would actually use those two file compression methods in the real world.

Just because you, as part of a team, have been collectively awarded 60 patents still doesn't mean you're any good.

 

[meltdown75]

k my initial response was "nothing".

now i have one objection. that it makes nerds on both sides of the debate froth at the mouth.

 

[Oceandevi]

at what point can we start a poll to vote for ban?

This is the only good that can come from this thread.

 

[nakedfrog]

k my initial response was "nothing".

now i have one objection. that it makes nerds on both sides of the debate froth at the mouth.

:awe:

 

[CoinOperatedBoy]

k my initial response was "nothing".

now i have one objection. that it makes nerds on both sides of the debate froth at the mouth.

I don't see a problem with being passionate about important topics. Non-committal "live and let live" attitudes only go so far.

Still, this has turned into a bit of a feeding frenzy. I honestly didn't intend to make personal attacks on PhineasJWhoopee, and I think it's a little distasteful to sneer at his accomplishments; so I apologize, Phineas. I just poorly expressed my surprise at hearing about your profession. I still see it as a huge conflict, but I should make no claims about the quality of your work as I am not your employer. I just hope that your disregard for science in the spiritual world does not impact important findings you provide in the professional one.

That said, I maintain great derision for the Christian faith and I think you are being fairly obtuse when it comes to responding to its overarching logical chasms.

 

[Madwand1]

What do you object to about Christianity?

That's a very broad question. Do you have the authority, ability, and interest to really take it on?

You come across as someone who thinks he belongs to a club of sorts, is proud of that, and wants to take on who he thinks are opponents or non-members of that club, by the terms of his definition of club rules of course.

That's probably better suited to P&N, with the politics exposed.

Okay, we covered that a tenet of Christianity is that rejection of God results in eternal damination. That's a legitmate objection to Christianity.

How easily you accept eternal damnation for others and look to going past that on to other points. Is it not blasphemy that such torture, eternal damnation, is associated with God? Yes, there's irony that the disassociation with God is itself the damnation, but the idea of a perfectly good God should preclude eternal damnation of any form worthy of the name for any soul altogether, and certainly the common conceptions of hell in the context of eternal torment of a soul.

That you don't have a huge problem with this notion is evidence to me that you don't have a deep understanding of Christianity, or at least the severity of the problem Christianity at large must address to overcome the barriers to faith it has raised and maintained in its ignorance and misguided recruitment efforts.

The words of Christ are deep and beautiful. It should accordingly be a jarring shock that such a notion, eternal damnation, is associated with the vision of God held by the religion which takes his title for its name.

 

[rhino56]

I object to threads on forums about it.

 

[meltdown75]

I don't see a problem with being passionate about important topics. Non-committal "live and let live" attitudes only go so far.

Still, this has turned into a bit of a feeding frenzy. I honestly didn't intend to make personal attacks on PhineasJWhoopee, and I think it's a little distasteful to sneer at his accomplishments; so I apologize, Phineas. I just poorly expressed my surprise at hearing about your profession. I still see it as a huge conflict, but I should make no claims about the quality of your work as I am not your employer. I just hope that your disregard for science in the spiritual world does not impact important findings you provide in the professional one.

That said, I maintain great derision for the Christian faith and I think you are being fairly obtuse when it comes to responding to its overarching logical chasms.

you just got froth all over me :/

 

[CoinOperatedBoy]

The words of Christ are deep and beautiful. It should accordingly be a jarring shock that such a notion, eternal damnation, is associated with the vision of God held by the religion which takes his title for its name.

Hell wasn't even a concept in the Bible until the New Testament.

 

[CoinOperatedBoy]

you just got froth all over me :/

Good, maybe you'll learn something through osmosis.

 

[sdifox]

Good, maybe you'll learn something through osmosis.

That is definitely work of the devil.

 

[meltdown75]

Good, maybe you'll learn something through osmosis.

i learned a few things... the road to nowhere leads to me, we need perry mason, and you are the ghost behind my eyes.

 

[PhineasJWhoopee]

60 patents? Who gives a shit. I know somebody with 2 patents for file compression and he'll be the first to admit that they're worthless because nobody would actually use those two file compression methods in the real world.

Just because you, as part of a team, have been collectively awarded 60 patents still doesn't mean you're any good.

And you know they were "collective" because? Actually I was the primary inventor on all but a couple.

Not bragging, just establishing my credentials as a scientist.

Since you are so good at putting down others, what is your area of expertise and what are your accomplishments?

So you weren't a Christian, then you were a Christian, now you're not a Christian. That's kind of what I'm getting.

Why the flip flops?

 

[fail]

And you know they were "collective" because? Actually I was the primary inventor on all but a couple.

Not bragging, just establishing my credentials as a scientist.

Since you are so good at putting down others, what is your area of expertise and what are your accomplishments?

So you weren't a Christian, then you were a Christian, now you're not a Christian. That's kind of what I'm getting.

Why the flip flops?

What science disipline are you in? What is the general subject of your patents?

 

[zinfamous]

And you know they were "collective" because? Actually I was the primary inventor on all but a couple.

Not bragging, just establishing my credentials as a scientist.

Since you are so good at putting down others, what is your area of expertise and what are your accomplishments?

So you weren't a Christian, then you were a Christian, now you're not a Christian. That's kind of what I'm getting.

Why the flip flops?

I'm guessing engineer, ....maybe something of a physicist. whatever science fields would actually generate patents. I'm thinking engineer qualifies as science.

that being said, none of these scientific fields put you in any position to have fundamental conflicts with God--well, engineering. An astro or nuclear physicist would have trouble getting tenure thinking God was teh center of it all.

anyway, you should also realize that such fields provide you no relevant experience with fields like evolutionary biology and genetics and such...

 

[IronWing]

Back to the topic...

I object to Christianity because it is a proselytizing religion. Believers get brownie points for being annoying to everybody around them. The more annoying they are, the more points they rack up. It isn't the only proselytizing religion to be sure but it is the dominant religion in my locale so it is therefore more annoying to me personally than other proselytizing religions.

This thread is the word made manifest.

 

[IronWing]

I'm guessing engineer, ....maybe something of a physicist. whatever science fields would actually generate patents. I'm thinking engineer qualifies as science.

With modern IP law I think you can patent puns.

 

[CoinOperatedBoy]

I'm guessing engineer, ....maybe something of a physicist. whatever science fields would actually generate patents. I'm thinking engineer qualifies as science.

There may be some overlap depending on the field, but technically speaking, an engineer is not a scientist nor vice versa. I would expect both to be more rational than people in many other occupations, but it behooves a scientist especially to reject unsupported beliefs through a strict process. I just can't reconcile how someone could buy into spiritual faith and also claim to be qualified to do good science in any capacity. It seems to me that one would preclude the other, but I could be wrong.

 

[sandorski]

There may be some overlap depending on the field, but technically speaking, an engineer is not a scientist nor vice versa. I would expect both to be more rational than people in many other occupations, but it behooves a scientist especially to reject unsupported beliefs through a strict process. I just can't reconcile how someone could buy into spiritual faith and also claim to be qualified to do good science in any capacity. It seems to me that one would preclude the other, but I could be wrong.

It's easy, they just don't apply Scientific principles/method to that part of their Lives.

 

[CoinOperatedBoy]

It's easy, they just don't apply Scientific principles/method to that part of their Lives.

That doesn't sound easy to me. How could a scientist willfully ignore the scientific method when applying his mind to arguably the most important claim in the history of humanity?

 

[sandorski]

That doesn't sound easy to me. How could a scientist willfully ignore the scientific method when applying his mind to arguably the most important claim in the history of humanity?

They just don't.

 

[zinfamous]

There may be some overlap depending on the field, but technically speaking, an engineer is not a scientist nor vice versa. I would expect both to be more rational than people in many other occupations, but it behooves a scientist especially to reject unsupported beliefs through a strict process. I just can't reconcile how someone could buy into spiritual faith and also claim to be qualified to do good science in any capacity. It seems to me that one would preclude the other, but I could be wrong.

i totally agree with you. Though I imagine 98% of engineers would consider them scientists, and I'd assume that at some point, most of them were pursuing some form of pure science during their education and/or career. I think the background is there somewhere, and the self-identification tends to remain.

 

[zinfamous]

That doesn't sound easy to me. How could a scientist willfully ignore the scientific method when applying his mind to arguably the most important claim in the history of humanity?

Francis Collins

Honestly, I've never known exactly what to think of this guy, but he's got a rather deep faith, and he heads the Fed Human Genome Project (for many years).

From what I've read, most of his beliefs don't "get in the way." He does make bold statements from time to time, regarding the faith-based understanding of a gene, or the purpose of DNA...blah blah...but none of it actually impedes the work, it seems.

Though he fuels the fires of those that have no understanding of his work, much less genetics. Funny thing, though...you don't often see him cited by the ID freaks, or other serious faith-based anti-science organizations. They tend to use physicists and astrologers as their "science experts," rather than a scientist with actual evolutionary knowledge. I suppose he's not seen as friendly to the fundy anti-science movement.

Perhaps this is somewhat promising?