What do you think about DUI checkpoints?

[jagec]

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by: jagec


Sorta like your belief that illegal immigrants commit the vast majority of crimes, huh?

Oh, so when I say SERIOUSLY affect crime rates, you think that equates to " commit the vast majority of crimes"?
Ok, I see your problem, you are prone to hyperbole and gross generalization.
OK, you can be ignored without any change in outcome.

BTW, to re-set your baseline.... I do not agree with DUI check points, so your assumptions of my position were made erroneously, due to your inability to detect sarcasm.

Crime rates are set by the people who commit crimes, by definition. You fail logic.

If you believe that deporting all illegal immigrants would "SERIOUSLY" affect crime rates, you must believe that they commit the vast majority of crimes, since they only constitute 3.3% of the population. The only way for such a small group to affect overall population statistics in a meaningful way is if they differ significantly from the overall population. In this case, they would have to be overwhelmingly criminals.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
So what? So those 11 states are right and everyone else is wrong? What's your point? Last I checked 11 out of 50 is still a minority.

KT

Edit: just saw your edit. Well what exactly is wrong with keeping the issue at the forefront of the media? I have friends who no longer drink and drive because they are worried about checkpoints being out there. That's a good thing in my opinion.

First, democracy is not an end-all-be-all that justifies the violation of basic rights. Democracy is only a good political system because all the alternatives are even worse.

Second, yes, there is a problem with this. The average American driver can't drive for sh!t anymore because they have been brainwashed to believe that as long as they're not drunk and they're not speeding, they're safe. Which is complete nonsense, and why INATTENTIVENESS is now far-and-away the leading cause of traffic collisions, injuries, and fatalities.

 

[NL5]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: KeithTalent


If you are not doing anything wrong then what the hell is the problem??!!?!! If it gets even one drunken idiot off the road I am totally fine with it.

KT

First off, they don't go quite the way you state. I don't think they just "take your word for it". They are searching your person to see if you have been drinking. That search (without cause) should be unconstitutional, and is in many states. If they see you weaving (giving them cause to search) then that is a different story.

I apologize for defending the freedoms my family has fought and died to protect. Really, why should we care? It's not like they will start searching your home without cause or warrant, or arrest you without cause or warrant, or put you in a secret prison without being so much as charged with a crime, or letting you contact a single person, right? Oh wait, that has happened to American citizens already. Why should we care? You do feel safer right? Illegal search and siezure is in direct violation with the Constitution. Period.

The checkpoints may be different in the US, no doubt. But in my experience, that is exactly how they go up here in Canada.

Those things you listed are entirely different. You are out on a public road. Nobody is entering your car or your home.

KT

They are searching your person without cause. In Canada that may not violate your constitution, but here in the US you are not supposed to be searched without cause. Again, this is not a discussion about whether drunk driving is ok. It is certainly not.

The other things I listed are the same thing, just farther down the road, and have happened right here in Portland, OR...............we are letting our constitutional freedoms be taken away.......

 

[altonb1]

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: KeithTalent


If you are not doing anything wrong then what the hell is the problem??!!?!! If it gets even one drunken idiot off the road I am totally fine with it.

KT

First off, they don't go quite the way you state. I don't think they just "take your word for it". They are searching your person to see if you have been drinking. That search (without cause) should be unconstitutional, and is in many states. If they see you weaving (giving them cause to search) then that is a different story.

I apologize for defending the freedoms my family has fought and died to protect. Really, why should we care? It's not like they will start searching your home without cause or warrant, or arrest you without cause or warrant, or put you in a secret prison without being so much as charged with a crime, or letting you contact a single person, right? Oh wait, that has happened to American citizens already. Why should we care? You do feel safer right? Illegal search and siezure is in direct violation with the Constitution. Period.

The last one I went through, the 1st thing they said was something like "we're doing a dui checkpoint tonight...everyone has their seatbelt on, right?" and began shining lights into the back of ther minivan checking out all the kids, etc. The 2nd question was whether I had anything to drink that night. Before getting to the actual check, though, a cop was on the radio calling dor a car to be pulled over because of a seatbelt violation.

Meh...

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: KeithTalent


If you are not doing anything wrong then what the hell is the problem??!!?!! If it gets even one drunken idiot off the road I am totally fine with it.

KT

First off, they don't go quite the way you state. I don't think they just "take your word for it". They are searching your person to see if you have been drinking. That search (without cause) should be unconstitutional, and is in many states. If they see you weaving (giving them cause to search) then that is a different story.

I apologize for defending the freedoms my family has fought and died to protect. Really, why should we care? It's not like they will start searching your home without cause or warrant, or arrest you without cause or warrant, or put you in a secret prison without being so much as charged with a crime, or letting you contact a single person, right? Oh wait, that has happened to American citizens already. Why should we care? You do feel safer right? Illegal search and siezure is in direct violation with the Constitution. Period.

The checkpoints may be different in the US, no doubt. But in my experience, that is exactly how they go up here in Canada.

Those things you listed are entirely different. You are out on a public road. Nobody is entering your car or your home.

KT

They are searching you person without cause. In Canada that may not violate your constitution, but here in the US you are not supposed to be searched without cause. Again, this is not a discussion about whether drunk driving is ok. It is certainly not.

I can't speak for Canada, but the US Constitution specifically prohibits what is known as a general warrant, which is what a sobriety checkpoint inherently is.

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
So what? So those 11 states are right and everyone else is wrong? What's your point? Last I checked 11 out of 50 is still a minority.

KT

Edit: just saw your edit. Well what exactly is wrong with keeping the issue at the forefront of the media? I have friends who no longer drink and drive because they are worried about checkpoints being out there. That's a good thing in my opinion.

First, democracy is not an end-all-be-all that justifies the violation of basic rights. Democracy is only a good political system because all the alternatives are even worse.

Second, yes, there is a problem with this. The average American driver can't drive for sh!t anymore because they have been brainwashed to believe that as long as they're not drunk and they're not speeding, they're safe. Which is complete nonsense, and why INATTENTIVENESS is now far-and-away the leading cause of traffic collisions, injuries, and fatalities.

I absolutely agree about distractions (i.e. being on cellphones, etc.) is a major problem on the roads today. I see it constantly.

I find your reasoning somewhat flawed though. I do not think people think they can get away with anything as long as they are sober, I think the majority of people just do not give a crap about others and are more concerned about checking their voicemail, while eating their sandwhich, drinking their latte, and fixing their hair.

If people were allowed to drive drunk without repercussion, inattentiveness would still be a massive, massive issue.

KT

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: KeithTalent


If you are not doing anything wrong then what the hell is the problem??!!?!! If it gets even one drunken idiot off the road I am totally fine with it.

KT

First off, they don't go quite the way you state. I don't think they just "take your word for it". They are searching your person to see if you have been drinking. That search (without cause) should be unconstitutional, and is in many states. If they see you weaving (giving them cause to search) then that is a different story.

I apologize for defending the freedoms my family has fought and died to protect. Really, why should we care? It's not like they will start searching your home without cause or warrant, or arrest you without cause or warrant, or put you in a secret prison without being so much as charged with a crime, or letting you contact a single person, right? Oh wait, that has happened to American citizens already. Why should we care? You do feel safer right? Illegal search and siezure is in direct violation with the Constitution. Period.

The checkpoints may be different in the US, no doubt. But in my experience, that is exactly how they go up here in Canada.

Those things you listed are entirely different. You are out on a public road. Nobody is entering your car or your home.

KT

They are searching your person without cause. In Canada that may not violate your constitution, but here in the US you are not supposed to be searched without cause. Again, this is not a discussion about whether drunk driving is ok. It is certainly not.

The other things I listed are the same thing, just farther down the road, and have happened right here in Portland, OR...............we are letting our constitutional freedoms be taken away.......

Well for me, these checkpoints feel no different than speedtraps. Though I'm sure you will tell me those are unconstitutional as well.

KT

 

[IceBergSLiM]

The flaw in these arguments is driving on public roads is a privelege not a right and you should be subject to whatever rules and regulations are in place when you accept the driving privalege.

 

[beer]

I've never seen one and I live in San Francisco. *shrug*

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: KeithTalent


If you are not doing anything wrong then what the hell is the problem??!!?!! If it gets even one drunken idiot off the road I am totally fine with it.

KT

First off, they don't go quite the way you state. I don't think they just "take your word for it". They are searching your person to see if you have been drinking. That search (without cause) should be unconstitutional, and is in many states. If they see you weaving (giving them cause to search) then that is a different story.

I apologize for defending the freedoms my family has fought and died to protect. Really, why should we care? It's not like they will start searching your home without cause or warrant, or arrest you without cause or warrant, or put you in a secret prison without being so much as charged with a crime, or letting you contact a single person, right? Oh wait, that has happened to American citizens already. Why should we care? You do feel safer right? Illegal search and siezure is in direct violation with the Constitution. Period.

The checkpoints may be different in the US, no doubt. But in my experience, that is exactly how they go up here in Canada.

Those things you listed are entirely different. You are out on a public road. Nobody is entering your car or your home.

KT

They are searching you person without cause. In Canada that may not violate your constitution, but here in the US you are not supposed to be searched without cause. Again, this is not a discussion about whether drunk driving is ok. It is certainly not.

I can't speak for Canada, but the US Constitution specifically prohibits what is known as a general warrant, which is what a sobriety checkpoint inherently is.

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

So what exactly constitutes probable cause? I know if an officer sees reckless driving, they can pull someone over and check them for alcohol, I would hope we all agree this is ok.

How about if there was a checkpoint setup down the road from a wine or beer festival, or some sort of giant party (whatever), where there is a good chance a lot of idiots would be trying to drive home drunk. I think it is entirely reasonable to have checkpoints there to ensure people are not endangering the rest of us.

KT

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: jagec

Crime rates are set by the people who commit crimes, by definition. You fail logic.

If you believe that deporting all illegal immigrants would "SERIOUSLY" affect crime rates, you must believe that they commit the vast majority of crimes, since they only constitute 3.3% of the population. The only way for such a small group to affect overall population statistics in a meaningful way is if they differ significantly from the overall population. In this case, they would have to be overwhelmingly criminals.

LOL, crime rates are only a measure of crimes. THAT is the definition you attempt to place on the head of a pin. Those rates are subject to discussion and interpretation , depending on sampling methodology, sampling base, and AGENDA TO PROMOTE, among other factors not the least of which is what constitutes a "crime".
IF violating the various federal immigration, State worker, State ID laws, DMV / Insurance laws doesn't make each and every one a criminal, then what in the hell do YOU call "crime"?

Furthermore,
YOUR abject refusal to acknowledge the initial sarcasm in my post only shows your inability to discuss the topic reasonably.
YOUR sarcasm meter is still apparently non operative, or you are simply being an ass.
Either way,

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: beer
I've never seen one and I live in San Francisco. *shrug*

Drive down the Peninsula this weekend, or over in Alameda county. Feeders to El Camino Real
, Mission Ave. are prime hunting grounds.

Redwood City LOVES them.

 

[NL5]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: KeithTalent


If you are not doing anything wrong then what the hell is the problem??!!?!! If it gets even one drunken idiot off the road I am totally fine with it.

KT

First off, they don't go quite the way you state. I don't think they just "take your word for it". They are searching your person to see if you have been drinking. That search (without cause) should be unconstitutional, and is in many states. If they see you weaving (giving them cause to search) then that is a different story.

I apologize for defending the freedoms my family has fought and died to protect. Really, why should we care? It's not like they will start searching your home without cause or warrant, or arrest you without cause or warrant, or put you in a secret prison without being so much as charged with a crime, or letting you contact a single person, right? Oh wait, that has happened to American citizens already. Why should we care? You do feel safer right? Illegal search and siezure is in direct violation with the Constitution. Period.

The checkpoints may be different in the US, no doubt. But in my experience, that is exactly how they go up here in Canada.

Those things you listed are entirely different. You are out on a public road. Nobody is entering your car or your home.

KT

They are searching your person without cause. In Canada that may not violate your constitution, but here in the US you are not supposed to be searched without cause. Again, this is not a discussion about whether drunk driving is ok. It is certainly not.

The other things I listed are the same thing, just farther down the road, and have happened right here in Portland, OR...............we are letting our constitutional freedoms be taken away.......

Well for me, these checkpoints feel no different than speedtraps. Though I'm sure you will tell me those are unconstitutional as well.

KT

Wow, how are you not understanding?!?!?!? A speed trap only affects those people that are visibly violating the law. They are NOT stopping people for no reason. Is the concept that hard to grasp?

 

[NL5]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: KeithTalent


If you are not doing anything wrong then what the hell is the problem??!!?!! If it gets even one drunken idiot off the road I am totally fine with it.

KT

First off, they don't go quite the way you state. I don't think they just "take your word for it". They are searching your person to see if you have been drinking. That search (without cause) should be unconstitutional, and is in many states. If they see you weaving (giving them cause to search) then that is a different story.

I apologize for defending the freedoms my family has fought and died to protect. Really, why should we care? It's not like they will start searching your home without cause or warrant, or arrest you without cause or warrant, or put you in a secret prison without being so much as charged with a crime, or letting you contact a single person, right? Oh wait, that has happened to American citizens already. Why should we care? You do feel safer right? Illegal search and siezure is in direct violation with the Constitution. Period.

The checkpoints may be different in the US, no doubt. But in my experience, that is exactly how they go up here in Canada.

Those things you listed are entirely different. You are out on a public road. Nobody is entering your car or your home.

KT

They are searching you person without cause. In Canada that may not violate your constitution, but here in the US you are not supposed to be searched without cause. Again, this is not a discussion about whether drunk driving is ok. It is certainly not.

I can't speak for Canada, but the US Constitution specifically prohibits what is known as a general warrant, which is what a sobriety checkpoint inherently is.

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

So what exactly constitutes probable cause? I know if an officer sees reckless driving, they can pull someone over and check them for alcohol, I would hope we all agree this is ok.

How about if there was a checkpoint setup down the road from a wine or beer festival, or some sort of giant party (whatever), where there is a good chance a lot of idiots would be trying to drive home drunk. I think it is entirely reasonable to have checkpoints there to ensure people are not endangering the rest of us.

KT

Again, if they stop eveyone leaving a beer and wine festival, even though they are doing nothing illegal, then that would be illegal search. If they sit in a parking lot down the street, and stop people who are weaving across three lanes of traffic, that would be ok. Do you at least see the difference?

 

[SampSon]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: SampSon
I don't have a problem with them.

They may be inconvenient and a waste of police protection funds but if you're not drinking and driving then you have little to worry about.

Another supporter of the pussification of America.

Do you keep your papers in a plastic sleeve hanging around your neck?

Oh please. Do you ever stop walking in stereotypical liberal lock-step?

Why not quote my entire post? Another supporter of censorship and cherry picking statements? The entire post holds information about this that you convienently ignore. Thats par for the course for your typical idiocy.

I keep my papers in my wallet, don't you? I hope that you have your papers on you when you're driving, a license is kind of required by law.

I don't support DUI checkpoints, but I really don't have a problem with them. They don't help with drinking and driving, they simply make money and statistics for agencies to use. How exactly is that a slippery slope into a Orwellian ideal? Exactly how are DUI checkpoints the "pussification of America"? You don't have any inalienable right to be driving on the road. Just like any number of other activities that require a license. Mabey you don't support the licensing of doctors or any number of other professions? Requiring licenses is Orwellian and therefore eroding your rights which pussifies America, right? Mabey you should surrender your drivers license.

This isn't an issue of unreasonable search and seizure. That has been through the court system grind countless times and comes out the same. It's really a non-issue.

Of course your history shows that you have very little understanding of property rights, so I don't expect you to have any profound insight into the topic of this thread. ThoughI do expect you to go spouting off countless mindnumbing ideals and talking points while strapping on your tinfoil hat and filling your basement with guns.

Over the years I don't think I've ever seen you put together an intelligable argument before falling back on some ridiculous sweeping statements that have no bearing on the argument you are in. They are supposed to be some sublime insight into the ills of society. What they really are is you just the result of you not being able to forumlate any type of decent thought.

You're the liberal equivaleny of hard righties that just randomly twitch and yell "GWAT, 9/11, TERRORISM, FIGHT THEM THERE, VICTORY, DEMOCRATS SURRENDER, Al-QUEDA, SOCIALIZED MEDICINE, ahh ahha *cough* *cough*".

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: KeithTalent


If you are not doing anything wrong then what the hell is the problem??!!?!! If it gets even one drunken idiot off the road I am totally fine with it.

KT

First off, they don't go quite the way you state. I don't think they just "take your word for it". They are searching your person to see if you have been drinking. That search (without cause) should be unconstitutional, and is in many states. If they see you weaving (giving them cause to search) then that is a different story.

I apologize for defending the freedoms my family has fought and died to protect. Really, why should we care? It's not like they will start searching your home without cause or warrant, or arrest you without cause or warrant, or put you in a secret prison without being so much as charged with a crime, or letting you contact a single person, right? Oh wait, that has happened to American citizens already. Why should we care? You do feel safer right? Illegal search and siezure is in direct violation with the Constitution. Period.

The checkpoints may be different in the US, no doubt. But in my experience, that is exactly how they go up here in Canada.

Those things you listed are entirely different. You are out on a public road. Nobody is entering your car or your home.

KT

They are searching your person without cause. In Canada that may not violate your constitution, but here in the US you are not supposed to be searched without cause. Again, this is not a discussion about whether drunk driving is ok. It is certainly not.

The other things I listed are the same thing, just farther down the road, and have happened right here in Portland, OR...............we are letting our constitutional freedoms be taken away.......

Well for me, these checkpoints feel no different than speedtraps. Though I'm sure you will tell me those are unconstitutional as well.

KT

Wow, how are you not understanding?!?!?!? A speed trap only affects those people that are visibly violating the law. They are NOT stopping people for no reason. Is the concept that hard to grasp?

I understand what you are saying, but as I said, to me, they feel like the same thing. If their was an alcohol detector gun they could point at cars as they drove by, that would be great. There is no such thing, so roadchecks are done instead...fine by me.

KT

 

[senseamp]

Probable cause FTW. If you have no probable cause to believe I am DUI, don't waste my time.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Probable cause FTW. If you have no probable cause to believe I am DUI, don't waste my time.

What if part of the liscensing process you had to sign paperwork agreeing to be searched whenever you are on a public road....They give you a choice then. If you want to drive you have to sign the paper. if you want your privacy then you don't have to drive on public roadways.

 

[NL5]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: SampSon
I don't have a problem with them.

They may be inconvenient and a waste of police protection funds but if you're not drinking and driving then you have little to worry about.

Another supporter of the pussification of America.

Do you keep your papers in a plastic sleeve hanging around your neck?

Oh please. Do you ever stop walking in stereotypical liberal lock-step?

Why not quote my entire post? Another supporter of censorship and cherry picking statements? The entire post holds information about this that you convienently ignore. Thats par for the course for your typical idiocy.

I keep my papers in my wallet, don't you? I hope that you have your papers on you when you're driving, a license is kind of required by law.

I don't support DUI checkpoints, but I really don't have a problem with them. They don't help with drinking and driving, they simply make money and statistics for agencies to use. How exactly is that a slippery slope into a Orwellian ideal? Exactly how are DUI checkpoints the "pussification of America"? You don't have any inalienable right to be driving on the road. Just like any number of other activities that require a license. Mabey you don't support the licensing of doctors or any number of other professions? Requiring licenses is Orwellian and therefore eroding your rights which pussifies America, right? Mabey you should surrender your drivers license.

This isn't an issue of unreasonable search and seizure. That has been through the court system grind countless times and comes out the same. It's really a non-issue.

Of course your history shows that you have very little understanding of property rights, so I don't expect you to have any profound insight into the topic of this thread. ThoughI do expect you to go spouting off countless mindnumbing ideals and talking points while strapping on your tinfoil hat and filling your basement with guns.

Over the years I don't think I've ever seen you put together an intelligable argument before falling back on some ridiculous sweeping statements that have no bearing on the argument you are in. They are supposed to be some sublime insight into the ills of society. What they really are is you just the result of you not being able to forumlate any type of decent thought.

You're the liberal equivaleny of hard righties that just randomly twitch and yell "GWAT, 9/11, TERRORISM, FIGHT THEM THERE, VICTORY, DEMOCRATS SURRENDER, Al-QUEDA, SOCIALIZED MEDICINE, ahh ahha *cough* *cough*".

Wow.

So, since we are driving, and that is not a constitutional right, we should give up our constitutional rights while driving? Wow. I mean really. Wow.......

Also, how is protecting the constitution a liberal agenda? Seriously. That would seem to be a more "right-wing" ideology if anything.

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
The flaw in these arguments is driving on public roads is a privelege not a right and you should be subject to whatever rules and regulations are in place when you accept the driving privalege.

I'm sorry but the Right to express grievances against the laws of The Government is a Fundamental Right in our society, at least it was the last time I really looked.

What with the current Administration's incessant chipping away in the name of "Homeland Security" it may not.

Either way, I'm thankful to be able to spout about it on someone's forum.

You all have a nice day.

:beer:'s for all, if you're not driving that is

 

[beer]

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by: beer
I've never seen one and I live in San Francisco. *shrug*

Drive down the Peninsula this weekend, or over in Alameda county. Feeders to El Camino Real
, Mission Ave. are prime hunting grounds.

Redwood City LOVES them.

Maybe. Part of the reason why I do live in SF is I am a $10 cab from the mission and a $20 cab from every part in the city that I want to drink in and go out and get wasted at. Urban centers ftw!

46 sq mile city of which only 10 sq mile is actually cool ftb(bigger)win

 

[Eli]

Fuck that.

How can you people put up with sh!t like that? So much for innocent until proven guilty....

If Oregon ever starts supporting that shit, I'll move.

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: senseamp
Probable cause FTW. If you have no probable cause to believe I am DUI, don't waste my time.

What if part of the liscensing process you had to sign paperwork agreeing to be searched whenever you are on a public road....They give you a choice then. If you want to drive you have to sign the paper. if you want your privacy then you don't have to drive on public roadways.

I don't remember signing anything that gives up my Constitutional rights in order to drive.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: senseamp
Probable cause FTW. If you have no probable cause to believe I am DUI, don't waste my time.

What if part of the liscensing process you had to sign paperwork agreeing to be searched whenever you are on a public road....They give you a choice then. If you want to drive you have to sign the paper. if you want your privacy then you don't have to drive on public roadways.

I don't remember signing anything that gives up my Constitutional rights in order to drive.

Oh thats why I prefaced it with a "what if" scenario.

reading comprehension ftl.

 

[AgentUnknown]

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
We need more DUI checkpoints in Hawaii. I'm on the road nearly 5 hours a day, and I rarely go a day without seeing someone driving erratically. Most of my island is pretty rural, so there's pretty much nothing to do here but go to the beach and drink. I've never even seen a DUI checkpoint.

5 hours on the road in hawaii? that makes about 2-3 trips around the island. Wow. I see people riding in the truck bed which is illegal in most states. But not in hawaii.