What do you think of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez?

[jmagg]

Well you seem to forget we were better under the guy who took care of 57 states, vs the guy who can't seem to stop destroying the constitution he swore to uphold and committing espionage, treason, stupidity, dishonesty, disingenuity, double dealing, self enrichment, money laundering, tax fraud, bank fraud, divisiveness, prejudice, eliteisim, antagonism, chauvinism, bigotry, intolerance, divisiveness, and racism.

She'll suffer the same fate as Bernie imo

 

[trenchfoot]

Not surprised that you bought into some of the lies told about her background...

The amusing thing is that conservatives are neurotically obsessed with her, claiming in one breath that she's unimportant while promptly shitting their pants any time she says or does something that confronts their values. It's like modern Republicans have to attack a prominent woman to feel good about themselves (and distract from their own rank corruption), and since Clinton is largely out of the picture, AOC is the substitute.

Without anyone to focus their hate and fear on as they are instructed to do, many working class conservatives would realize that what they feared and hated most was how they were so easily duped into voting against their own best interests. As we all know, they do this without question or hesitation due to their conditioning having been so deeply ingrained over the decades of indoctrination sessions from FOX, Limbaugh et al.

All they need to hear are those trigger words that come down from the GOP stratosphere and off they go chasing after another boogeyman cooked up by whomever the higher up's deem their biggest threats or other targets of opportunity that their followers can hate on.

 

[Amused]

I think she's very competent, though little green... but everyone is at first... But even more important, her personality is captivating and she is good at winning people over with her speeches.

This, of course terrifies the right-wing. So they do what they do best. They fabricate memes of things she never said, take words and half sentences out of context and make ridiculous memes all in an obviously desperate attempt to undermine confidence in her abilities.

This is classic right-wing propaganda behavior. They do it to any opponent they fear. The more competent the opponent, the more likely the right-wing is to so desperately try to smear them.

The hilarious part of it all is the blatant misogyny and racism behind their meme war against her. It reeks of incel desperation.

 

[jmagg]

I think she's very competent, though little green... but everyone is at first... But even more important, her personality is captivating and she is good at winning people over with her speeches.

This, of course terrifies the right-wing. So they do what they do best. They fabricate memes of things she never said, take words and half sentences out of context and make ridiculous memes all in an obviously desperate attempt to undermine confidence in her abilities.

This is classic right-wing propaganda behavior. They do it to any opponent they fear. The more competent the opponent, the more likely the right-wing is to so desperately try to smear them.

The hilarious part of it all is the blatant misogyny and racism behind their meme war against her. It reeks of incel desperation.

EXcept it'll be her own club who stifels her.

 

[feralkid]

She's worthless.

How's life in the Russian troll farm?

 

[ecogen]

She's someone that somehow ended up in the spotlight and is bringing attention to important issues that have been pretty much ignored in US politics so far, so that's good.

The downside is as other posters have mentioned the fact that she's a bit green and she doesn't always completely do her homework on the issues she's talking about.

Republicans criticizing her on the above lack of homework is kinda hilarious though since almost every policy position they have is based on pure bullshit, but what can you do.

 

[Amused]

EXcept it'll be her own club who stifels her.

Actually, I doubt that. They let her shine at the Cohen hearing and see the power she has. I think they'll use her.

 

[Blackjack200]

I like her. In substance she is worse in pretty much every respect than Ilhan Omar, but as @Amused pointed out, she's a great communicator and is putting fantastic pressure on the ossified political structure in DC.

 

[jmagg]

Actually, I doubt that. They let her shine at the Cohen hearing and see the power she has. I think they'll use her.

For the time being. We shall see.

 

[Amused]

For the time being. We shall see.

In point of fact, the right-wing conspiracy smear machine had quite a few left-wingers convinced the Clintons were the devil so... They may succeed at turning some in the left against AOC as well.

I've already seen it a little bit.

 

[1prophet]

I can’t wait to see so many of her in Congress that conservatives appear to have a rational argument not to raise any higher above the poverty line the universally guaranteed annual wage.

Scientific research has shown that the answer to ending poverty is to give people cash.

Living wages, unions, healthcare, safe work environment, labor rights, vacation, maternal/paternal leave, etc. all good things to strive for until Americans have to reach in their pockets to pay for them,

then they demand cheap and their corporate masters give it to them in spades through their Chinese, Mexican, etc. outsourced workers who work under conditions not fit for a dog so Americans think they are getting a deal on their ever diminishing wages while corporate America churns out record billionaires,

but somehow let's just pass a law raising wages and the magic money tree will appear giving cash ending poverty.

How about instead require any product sold in the USA is made under similar working conditions no matter where it is sourced, I have a funny feeling Europeans won't have too much of a problem complying with that.

Places that make NIKE shoes and I-phones, not so much while the billionaires profiting off their back might take a slight hit to their profit margins.

 

[soundforbjt]

I like her because she is driving Republicans crazy, though that isn't that hard to do.

 

[Moonbeam]

Living wages, unions, healthcare, safe work environment, labor rights, vacation, maternal/paternal leave, etc. all good things to strive for until Americans have to reach in their pockets to pay for them,

then they demand cheap and their corporate masters give it to them in spades through their Chinese, Mexican, etc. outsourced workers who work under conditions not fit for a dog so Americans think they are getting a deal on their ever diminishing wages while corporate America churns out record billionaires,

but somehow let's just pass a law raising wages and the magic money tree will appear giving cash ending poverty.

How about instead require any product sold in the USA is made under similar working conditions no matter where it is sourced, I have a funny feeling Europeans won't have too much of a problem complying with that.

Places that make NIKE shoes and I-phones, not so much while the billionaires profiting off their back might take a slight hit to their profit margins.

Why not both. Scientific data is coming in that indicates that a guaranteed wage paid for by taxes is a net gain. I have seen research suggesting it will cost 175 billion to impliment and save 500 billion in social ills remediation resulting from poverty. I am all in now for a science based social system. In a world full of fools who know nothing but represent the people, I think it's time for folk who will listen to the advise of people who do know things.

 

[Homerboy]

I like her a lot. I like what she says and how she says it. She (and others like her) are exactly what gov't in general needs. Actually on BOTH sides.

My ONLY complaint is more of a fear about her - I think she needs to slow down. You can't fight EVERY battle on EVERY front simultaneously. She needs to focus herself and not get sucked into the sideshow(s) and trying to juggle all that. She can't do it all - at least not properly and thorough and without giving soundbites to the bashes.

 

[realibrad]

Her comment about unemployment being so low because people have two jobs and thus get counted twice was pretty stupid. I think she does not have a great foundation in some of what she has said. She is young and appears to be able to do some smart things. I worry about anyone that has positions that they want to move onto others when those positions are obviously wrong. Hopefully, if she stays popular, she learns and grows.

And yes, she is attractive.

 

[realibrad]

I like her a lot. I like what she says and how she says it. She (and others like her) are exactly what gov't in general needs. Actually on BOTH sides.

My ONLY complaint is more of a fear about her - I think she needs to slow down. You can't fight EVERY battle on EVERY front simultaneously. She needs to focus herself and not get sucked into the sideshow(s) and trying to juggle all that. She can't do it all - at least not properly and thorough and without giving soundbites to the bashes.

She is going to get dragged into fights that she is not ready for, and its going to undermine her other positions.

 

[Moonbeam]

Aw, mad? One dare not call out the club without repercussions.

My mistake. I meant to say Dream on Captain Insel. Not mad just having fun with your Freudian slip. I am sure there's a whole Incel navy that would be willing to die to go down on the USS AOC.

 

[UberNeuman]

AOC is stupid according to Trump supporters.

That's the joke.

 

[Blackjack200]

Her comment about unemployment being so low because people have two jobs and thus get counted twice was pretty stupid. I think she does not have a great foundation in some of what she has said.

It was an off-the-cuff comment during a radio interview if I remember correctly, and she admitted it was a mistake. It was also months ago. Is this all you've got? Because if you follow her Twitter account it's very clear that she has a firm grasp of the issues that matter to her constituents and poor and middle class people across the nation.

She is young and appears to be able to do some smart things. I worry about anyone that has positions that they want to move onto others when those positions are obviously wrong. Hopefully, if she stays popular, she learns and grows.

Specifically, what positions are you referring to? That everyone should get health care? Or that we shouldn't cook the planet?

And yes, she is attractive.

She's a pretty woman, but the political landscape is littered with attractive women who haven't accomplished a tenth of what she's done in the last year.

She is going to get dragged into fights that she is not ready for, and its going to undermine her other positions.

So far the only people I see getting dragged are the fuckwits on the right that come after her.

 

[Ichinisan]

That video is so bad you should feel ashamed of yourself and never post again. I had to turn it off, couldn’t take him misrepresenting what she was saying by taking it out of context. Cherry picking lines at its finest right there.

I also think she is naive and has lots to learn, but at least she is articulate and her head seems to be on straight. And yes she is pretty as well.

I think I know the real reason you couldn't finish it. It challenges your perception of her.

 

[Ichinisan]

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Frankly I don't see how people call her stupid looking at the occupant of the White House.

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[BonzaiDuck]

AOC is smarter and more savvy as I was at her age, although my educational experience is equivalent and similar. She understands public-choice economics, obvious from her questions during a hearing that pertained to the influence of lobbyists and money on political actors. That episode, as recorded on camera, was a line-drive and home-run.

On the other hand, I don't think she's entirely grasped the political reality concerning utopian change. We could have had universal health care if the market of private insurers had not been allowed to grow to what it is now. Sudden and profound change in that sector will be met by considerable resistance, and this is always the case when it comes to changing the status-quo. It is the reasoning behind an embrace of Incrementalism versus Utopian change. Utopian change involves unsustainable cost, or may proceed to the detriment of too many people in the political landscape. Or, it would simply be perceived as such.

That being said, and as a former mild, liberal Republican, the GOP has resisted change to our detriment. The last straw on the camel's back is Trump -- so morally depraved, so ignorant, so divisive that I'll be fine turning Red from a more acceptable Pink -- colors which have been applied differently and opposite their application during the Cold War. I'm using the Cold War meaning.

Like the Vietnamese journalist in "The Quiet American" says to Michael Caine's character: "If you are human, you should choose sides."

In any event, give her a few years, and she'll learn a lot more. That's more than we can say about the Traitor-in-Chief. A lot more.

 

[realibrad]

It was an off-the-cuff comment during a radio interview if I remember correctly, and she admitted it was a mistake. It was also months ago. Is this all you've got? Because if you follow her Twitter account it's very clear that she has a firm grasp of the issues that matter to her constituents and poor and middle class people across the nation.

She also talked about the money that Amazon was going to get as if it was money that the city/state was giving to Amazon as cash. It was not. That too was a dumb thing she did. Nobody is perfect.

Specifically, what positions are you referring to? That everyone should get health care? Or that we shouldn't cook the planet?

Her position on climate change is in agreement with mine.

She's a pretty woman, but the political landscape is littered with attractive women who haven't accomplished a tenth of what she's done in the last year.

Nobody at her level. Her appearance is not something that matters to me in terms of what she is doing politically.

So far the only people I see getting dragged are the fuckwits on the right that come after her.

Your position is that she made a mistake about the double job thing. If she gets dragged into topics where she makes those types of comments, it will make her look like she does not know what she is talking about.

She also did something like that with the Amazon deal. Talking about how the money should go to transit instead of Amazon makes no sense given what the deal was. Nobody was giving Amazon $3 billion.

 

[sandorski]

Has Good Principles and is willing to fight for them. What's not to like?

 

[IJTSSG]

No surprise you're captivated by her looks.

I think she's naive. Bordering on stupid really. She probably doesn't even realize how dumb some of her statements sound because everyone around her just praises her all day long. It's going to her head.

She's both ignorant and stupid. Your video is just the tip of the iceberg. As far as being attractive . . meh. I live in a part of the country that is literally overrun with gorgeous Hispanic women and AOC isn't even average. Shit, I own horses that don't have teeth as big as hers. LoL.