This forum has gotten worse than it was. Who actually enjoys this sewer?
I have no idea what that's supposed to mean. I'm pointing to one frequently cited figure that has never been convincingly supported and calling it bullshit. How that translates to "any story presenting a view that makes it beneficial to give tax breaks to an organization that doesn't need it" is beyond me.
No, that's not what it means. Refundable tax credits are paid out even if the value of the credit exceeds that taxes paid. That means that the city or the state would be writing Amazon a check.
You're missing the point. Her statement that people having multiple jobs are double counted was wrong. She acknowledged her mistake.
She has not conceded that she was wrong on her Amazon statements. I agree with her on the Amazon issue. If you think she's wrong, that's fine and we have a whole thread about the Amazon deal where that could be argued. But it doesn't fall into the category of a simple mistake of fact, this is a far complex issue.
I do notice how AOC detractors hold her to a much higher standard then the current POTUS.
At least if they were honest with themselves
Exactly!! The Republicans attack her while they are trying to plug the holes in their sinking ship!!! Good call dude!!Sinking ship
Outright lies can challenge peoples perception to the point where educated people can discern between a lie and the truth and as such don`t need to waste there time listening to outright lies!!I think I know the real reason you couldn't finish it. It challenges your perception of her
Sir I applaud you!! YES!! She is passionate for helping people!! Sad but true that seems at present to be very important!!I do not approve of everything she stands for. I do not need to.
She is passionate for helping people, and that counts a lot more right now than any Republican would ever know.
That's the way life is, but what would the world be without people with good intentions? Because there is also an ocean of good outcomes from good intentions!!Yes, but, you asked what is there to not like. While I agree that having people with good principles is very important, there is an ocean of bad outcomes from good intentions.
She gets the airtime on FOX because quite frankly they are afraid of her and want nothing more than to tear her down!!Whenever my conservative colleagues try to bait me with quotes or reference to AOC, i remind them of 2 things. They knowingly support a well documented liar and cheat sitting as the highest executive in the land who is using his power to subvert the will of the people and hide his own misdeeds. and then i remind them that she represents less that 1/4 of 1% of the voting body, but gets airtime on fox like she's the speaker of something.
That's the way life is, but what would the world be without people with good intentions? Because there is also an ocean of good outcomes from good intentions!!
Exactly!! The Republicans attack her while they are trying to plug the holes in their sinking ship!!! Good call dude!!
A refundable tax credit means that that money would be paid out even if it exceeded the companies tax liability, in other words the company could end up with a negative marginal tax rate. So what she said could be correct depending on the exact annual tax status of Amazon. If Amazon had zero tax liability during that time frame, then the city would be effectively making a payment of $3 billion dollars to Amazon. So no, it is not necessarily a tax credit.Don't ask for examples and then say this is the wrong thread.
She is wrong about what she said. I'm not saying tax incentives by the government are inherently good. I'm a free market person. I am saying that her statement is factually incorrect, or, she was being misleading to dupe ignorant people. I am on the side of her making a mistake.
You cant tell people that the city should be spending $3 billion on things instead of giving it to Amazon, when it is a tax credit and not a payment.
The issue is that you come across as if there is something wrong with a person in her position having good intentions! I am sorry but when you are elected to represent a certain group of people you have to jump into things head first! You must admit she has done a remarkable job! Notwithstanding the learning curve! I am sure you had no intention to imply that because she has actually no record so to speak and thus nothing to judge whether she has good or bad outcomes that she should keep to herself and as some Republicans would say -- she should know her place as a woman!First, do you think what I said about her getting dragged into things she is not ready for is wrong? We have seen examples of her being green and misspeaking. How is what I said wrong? -- That is correct but that will happen to anybody in her position! That is not so unusual!
Second, yes, its part of life which is why you not only have to look at intentions, but, also outcomes. If you just looked at intentions, then children should run the world. Clearly that would be a bad idea because even though children might not have bad intentions, they still are limited in what they understand.
I though I was very plain -- the republicans are attacking her while they(the Republicans) are trying to plug the holes in their own ship!Are you referring to the holes that AOC is busy drilling into their floundering ship or the ones Trump is busy drilling in their hull and then having McConnell and Ryan trying to plug? "Cuz yeah, those guys are really good at sinking their own ship while AOC is also busy planting limpet mines along their keel.
She's the epitome of the kind of girl that fat republican women complain about.Is she hot or what??
I for one find her ideas refreshing even though they are not new!
I truly believe she is a thorn in the side of the Republicans!
In a cut throat society like we have in America, so filled with fear and greed, it is inevitable that the levels of frustration and anxiety produced by the culture will create a huge collection of self-gnawing and self-mutilating apes and that the psychopaths among us, additionally, will quickly identify them as prey. There is nothing a person engaged in self destruction will appreciate more and pay to be told than that self destruction is actually a healthy activity.She gets the airtime on FOX because quite frankly they are afraid of her and want nothing more than to tear her down!!
You are only half right. Ignoring it doesn't mean it vanishes.Is this another example of a logical fallacy? Well done.
But yes, its very typical of people on opposing sides to hold the enemy to higher standards than their side. Its stupid and wrong, but its also very very very normal.
Not to worry, Zaap. That is a natural station to arrive at in the evolution of conscious awareness when one’s delusional and self protective bubble starts to sinter. The more titanic the ego the harder the fall but the greater the joy of humility. Down is up and up is the realization of all of your dreams. Good luck.This forum has gotten worse than it was. Who actually enjoys this sewer?
The issue is that you come across as if there is something wrong with a person in her position having good intentions! I am sorry but when you are elected to represent a certain group of people you have to jump into things head first! You must admit she has done a remarkable job! Notwithstanding the learning curve! I am sure you had no intention to imply that because she has actually no record so to speak and thus nothing to judge whether she has good or bad outcomes that she should keep to herself and as some Republicans would say -- she should know her place as a woman!
You are only half right. Ignoring it doesn't mean it vanishes.
A refundable tax credit means that that money would be paid out even if it exceeded the companies tax liability, in other words the company could end up with a negative marginal tax rate. So what she said could be correct depending on the exact annual tax status of Amazon. If Amazon had zero tax liability during that time frame, then the city would be effectively making a payment of $3 billion dollars to Amazon. So no, it is not necessarily a tax credit.
Sorry, just talking out of my ass. Just seems that there's always tons of pieces on how beneficial it is to give tax hand-outs to those that can most afford it, and it never passes the sniff test imho.I have no idea what that's supposed to mean. I'm pointing to one frequently cited figure that has never been convincingly supported and calling it bullshit. How that translates to "any story presenting a view that makes it beneficial to give tax breaks to an organization that doesn't need it" is beyond me.
Especially when the people pushing tax handouts to millionaires are millionairesSorry, just talking out of my ass. Just seems that there's always tons of pieces on how beneficial it is to give tax hand-outs to those that can most afford it, and it never passes the sniff test imho.