What do you think of restaurants who demand a tip?

[Corn]

Originally posted by: Landroval

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: labgeek
Nik,
I notice that there's a pic of her and you? going to a formal... Dated last year. Well uploaded last year anyway. So you're basically what? 18 or 19? That explains much. The sooner you come to the realization that "what goes around comes around" you'll be a much less bitter person. I'm going to give you a 2nd free TIP too... you and your infinite wisdom (must be from all those years of experience) are not going to change the world. Sorry to burst your bubble, but you just aren't that special. Well not in that way anyway...

And I for one, would never go to a restaurant with you, as I'd be too embarassed to be seen with your cheap @ss. Well, not and let you pay anyway. I'd feel too bad for the poor people who wait on your cheap @ss and got shafted. And don't try to come back and say you tip. A scenario was presented, and you already said you'd tip nothing. And frankly that's all it is, you're cheap. You've taken this psuedo-intellectual stance to justify it, but it just doesn't hold water. I'll repeat -- you are cheap. Recognize it. Accept it. And maybe even embrace it.

BTW, I don't think it should be mandatory, but it IS expected. Look up the definition of the word. It has little to do with what is right and wrong in this sense. Nor does it have anything to do with how things should be. But I would be upset, if they decided what I should pay... However when I go to a restaurant I EXPECT to tip. How much is up to me. I go in with this EXPECTATION in mind. I am bright enough to realize this, and figure this into my EXPECTED total bill before I enter. Only in your mind, does the thought that the big bad money hungry and apparently supremely profitable restaurant SHOULD pay them more give you the justifications to stick it to "the little people" who aren't making jack. You're sticking it to the wrong people because of your warped views. And "they should just get a better job" is pretty warped too...

BTW, how are your customer's getting 110% when you're on here constantly??? 23+ posts a day... 41,744 posts in less than 5 years. Sounds to me like you need to fire yourself.

But none-the-less, thank you for a most entertaining read.


Others,
Nik's not going to listen. He doesn't want to... He's bitter. He's cheap. Leave him alone and let him live in his little fantasy "Nik's World". You're just egging him on. He "thinks" he's right, and no argument based on emotion nor logic is going to change that.

Nik's problem is that *he* just doesn't get it. While his cheap ass is whining about the waitstaff *expecting* a tip I suppose he's just too stupidly stubborn to understand that that is the currently *accepted* standard practice in compensating servers. If Nik want's to rebel against the "system", then by all means boycott the restauranteur. But stiffing the waitstaff because he's a cheap bastard doesn't do much for his *cause*, it only makes him look like a cheap bastard.

If Nik actually had the balls he pretends to have (like I said earlier, I bet his spine softens and he leaves a tip each and every time a check comes) he should announce his intentions and the reason why he's not going to tip prior to ordering his meals. That would require *real* conviction and moxie so I don't expect Nik to actually act on that suggestion.........

I am sure the places he frequents already know. Hopefully, he does not get anyone ...immature... serving him or he may be guzzling sperm with each meal. And, no, I don't advocate ejaculating in people's food

......a little extra protein never hurt nobody.........

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: Nik

Think what you want, but I feel insulted that I'm being called a liar.

Awwww....poor baby! I.....I think I'm starting to tear up......

 

[Yossarian]

this thread hasn't died yet? how much attention does Nik really need?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Corn

Nik's problem is that *he* just doesn't get it. While his cheap ass is whining about the waitstaff *expecting* a tip I suppose he's just too stupidly stubborn to understand that that is the currently *accepted* standard practice in compensating servers. If Nik want's to rebel against the "system", then by all means boycott the restauranteur. But stiffing the waitstaff because he's a cheap bastard doesn't do much for his *cause*, it only makes him look like a cheap bastard.

If Nik actually had the balls he pretends to have (like I said earlier, I bet his spine softens and he leaves a tip each and every time a check comes) he should announce his intentions and the reason why he's not going to tip prior to ordering his meals. That would require *real* conviction and moxie so I don't expect Nik to actually act on that suggestion.........

Wow - a Corn post I totally and completely agree with! What a world!

:beer::beer:

 

[ifoundthetao]

wait.. i served Nik once, and he specifically requested that i put semen in his food. so i'm pretty sure he's guzzling sperm already..

 

[DorkBoy]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: chrisms

Originally posted by: Nik
I do not ever tip anyone who demands it or expects it. Bitch, you get a goddamn paycheck. Need more money? GET A DIFFERENT JOB. :|

grr...

</rant>

Expects it? As a pizza delivery driver I expected it.. if people didn't tip you'd be paying a $3 delivery charge instead of $1 to pay for my gasoline and maintenence fees.

Like I said, you GET A PAYCHECK. If you want more money, GET ANOTHER ONE or GET A DIFFERENT ONE.

You don't deserve anything other than a paycheck. You're a fvcking ape if you think you deserve to receive any money other than what's on the ticket from me and what's on your paycheck from your employer. I earned my money goddamnit and just because you chose to take a job driving around in no way entitles me to pay you anything more than what's on the ticket. Fvck off.

Your an idiot.

 

[Nutdotnet]

I won't go as far as Nik with this, but a waiter/waitress should NEVER expect a tip.

Nik's right. If you don't like your job, if it doesn't pay enough then QUIT. FVICKING QUIT!!!

Restaurants could pay minimum wage if they wanted to, but they don't. Seriously, there is a huge markup in the price of a meal in the industry. $15 for a Chicken dinner that you could probably make @ home for $3-4? Maybe less? YEAH...

Last time I went out I paid $12 for two average sized chicken breasts (about $1.50 a piece @ Costco), a sweet potato (maybe a $1 at the grocery store), and some barbeque sauce (about .25 cents). There you go. Restaurants pay low wages because they can feed of this "tipping" norm. We're basically paying the waiter's/waitress' salary.

If the server gives me attitude, I won't tip. If the service is slow and no one seems to care I won't tip. If my water is full when I sit down and not full again (I drink a couple of large glasses of water w/ each meal) I won't tip. It's not like I expect them to go beyond their duty, all I ask is a smile, prompt service (or at least an apology for tardiness), and a couple glasses of water. If that doesn't happen I WON'T TIP.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Nutdotnet
I won't go as far as Nik with this, but a waiter/waitress should NEVER expect a tip.

Nik's right. If you don't like your job, if it doesn't pay enough then QUIT. FVICKING QUIT!!!

Restaurants could pay minimum wage if they wanted to, but they don't. Seriously, there is a huge markup in the price of a meal in the industry. $15 for a Chicken dinner that you could probably make @ home for $3-4? Maybe less? YEAH...

Last time I went out I paid $12 for two average sized chicken breasts (about $1.50 a piece @ Costco), a sweet potato (maybe a $1 at the grocery store), and some barbeque sauce (about .25 cents). There you go. Restaurants pay low wages because they can feed of this "tipping" norm. We're basically paying the waiter's/waitress' salary.

If the server gives me attitude, I won't tip. If the service is slow and no one seems to care I won't tip. If my water is full when I sit down and not full again (I drink a couple of large glasses of water w/ each meal) I won't tip. It's not like I expect them to go beyond their duty, all I ask is a smile, prompt service (or at least an apology for tardiness), and a couple glasses of water. If that doesn't happen I WON'T TIP.

Keep in mind that even at $3-$4, you're not buying in bulk. You're not buying hundreds of thousands of pounds of food per year. Restaurants cut deals to buy the food for much much less because they're guaranteed to sell it all and come back for more.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: DorkBoy
Your an idiot.

Your extensive knowledge of the English language is a humbling testament to your vast intelligence.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: chrisms

Originally posted by: Nik
I do not ever tip anyone who demands it or expects it. Bitch, you get a goddamn paycheck. Need more money? GET A DIFFERENT JOB. :|

grr...

</rant>

Expects it? As a pizza delivery driver I expected it.. if people didn't tip you'd be paying a $3 delivery charge instead of $1 to pay for my gasoline and maintenence fees.

Like I said, you GET A PAYCHECK. If you want more money, GET ANOTHER ONE or GET A DIFFERENT ONE.

You don't deserve anything other than a paycheck. You're a fvcking ape if you think you deserve to receive any money other than what's on the ticket from me and what's on your paycheck from your employer. I earned my money goddamnit and just because you chose to take a job driving around in no way entitles me to pay you anything more than what's on the ticket. Fvck off.

If you want food, why don't you go out and kill it, then cook it yourself?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

I thought about it. However, it's illegal to kill even illegal immigrants. :evil:

 

[Attrox]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Nutdotnet
I won't go as far as Nik with this, but a waiter/waitress should NEVER expect a tip.

Nik's right. If you don't like your job, if it doesn't pay enough then QUIT. FVICKING QUIT!!!

Restaurants could pay minimum wage if they wanted to, but they don't. Seriously, there is a huge markup in the price of a meal in the industry. $15 for a Chicken dinner that you could probably make @ home for $3-4? Maybe less? YEAH...

Last time I went out I paid $12 for two average sized chicken breasts (about $1.50 a piece @ Costco), a sweet potato (maybe a $1 at the grocery store), and some barbeque sauce (about .25 cents). There you go. Restaurants pay low wages because they can feed of this "tipping" norm. We're basically paying the waiter's/waitress' salary.

If the server gives me attitude, I won't tip. If the service is slow and no one seems to care I won't tip. If my water is full when I sit down and not full again (I drink a couple of large glasses of water w/ each meal) I won't tip. It's not like I expect them to go beyond their duty, all I ask is a smile, prompt service (or at least an apology for tardiness), and a couple glasses of water. If that doesn't happen I WON'T TIP.

Keep in mind that even at $3-$4, you're not buying in bulk. You're not buying hundreds of thousands of pounds of food per year. Restaurants cut deals to buy the food for much much less because they're guaranteed to sell it all and come back for more.

(Unfortunately ) I agree with Nik here. Reading the thread it seems that both the waiters and the employer expect the customer to pay for the waiters' salary. And it's true that restaurant charge a high mark up for their food. I'm all for them actually paying the employee normally and they will screw their own businesses if they increase the food price a lot more compare to what already is.

 

[NiKeFiDO]

Originally posted by: chrisms

Originally posted by: mitchafi
What I really don't like is when you are a teenager and go out to eat and they see that you are a group of kids and automatically add the tip to the receipt. It hasn't happened in a while but it really pisses me off when it does.

Ha.. if they pulled that crap on me I would pay in cash minus the tip and walk out.

did that once. they came out and yelled at us. however, it also said on themenu theres an autpmatic fee blah blah blah. o well, we didnt get away with it.

 

[deftron]

Restaurants report a percentage (around 12%) of the gross sales
for food and beverage to the IRS for their staff. This means that if
you have a $200 food bill and $200 wine bill, the restaurant will report
12% of $400 or $48 as income to the server. In other words, the serve
r has to pay tax on it whether you tip it or not. If the restaurants do not report it accurately, the restaurant and the wait staff get audited by the IRS.




Nik is pathetic ...
He uses a watiers service without paying for it, which is basically theft.
Payment for service may not be mandatory but it is expected, even the IRS
expects you to tip at least 12%.
You are as bad as a welfare scammer ... you use the common knowledge that society
will tip for service to get yourself free service. If the waitress knew beforehand you
are not going to tip, you would be virtually guaranteed to not get the level of
service that you do. Would you go to a restaurant if you knew you were not
going good service? No you wouldn't, because you expect good service,
but good service isn't mandatory. They don't have to give you good service
but they do .... why? ... becasue they expect tips!

 

[dcdude]

nik = biggest tard known to man

you're not mr pink. get a fvcking life.

 

[Geekbabe]

I worked in the food/beverage industry for a long time.Providing a pleasant dining experience involves more than just dropping plates on a table like so much slop.

I was an excellent server, far from "lazy" far from "stupid", in fact my CS skills gained in that field helped me immeasurably as I explored other career paths.I tip well,it's part of the cost of being entertained imho.

 

[cbehnken]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nik
I paid for service when I paid the bill. That's what customer service is. That's part of the game, folks. It's your job to service the customer. Guess who your employer is? The company name on the paycheck, not your customer directly. Want more money? Get a raise or get your ass out to look for another job.

I think what everyone is telling you here is that you DON'T pay for customer service as part of the bill for pizza delivery or at a restaurant. The tip is what you pay for that service, and its at your discretion for that reason... so you can tip well for good service, and nothing for bad service. If you don't pay a tip, you paid precisely $0 for the service you recieved in getting your food handed to you. And you can expect to get service of that value the next time you're there.

If I didn't want customer service, I'd go to the grociery store and buy all the stuff to make the food at home.

And that's why no one asks for a tip at the grocery store.

Customer service is like chivalry. Good people give it and expect nothing in return because they know it's the right thing to do (like I do with all of my clients). It's not some additional service that you pay extra for. It's just what you do.

Agreed. Demanding a tip is like crying when someone didn't buy you a present.

 

[SilentZero]

Any place thats add 15% gratuity on my bill I will not go to period. I always tip pretty well, but I base it on the service. If its piss poor then they get nothing. If its good they will get up to 20%.

 

[Litchfield285]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Actaeon
Um, tipping is how a waitress gets their income. My mother is a waitress and her "paycheck" doesn't even exist, its just there to cover her work-insurance. As a matter of fact, she owes a little bit of money every "paycheck". All of the income comes from customers.

Not tipping is being extremely selfish.

:roll:

Boofvckinghoo. Get a different job. Not tipping is extremely selfish?

wow... I haven't found very many things on the forums that actually makes me mad -like, legitimately angry- on the forums. You've just hit one. That is easily one of the most ignorant and enraging things I have ever read on AT. Good job. :thumbsup:

What a fvcking lazy, ungreatful, stupid, self-destructive ideology. :roll:

Sure, leave it to your customers to better your life because you can't seem to get it through your thick fvcking dumbass skull that if you want more money, ask for a raise or get a different job or a second job --or a third or a forth.

"Help! I can't be bothered to actually DO anything with my life, so I'm going to whine and bitch when I don't get tipped!" :roll: :|

I served when I was in High School. I made $2.15 an hour, and worked my ass off. I earned every tip I got, I did not expect a tip, therefore I never let myself get upset when I was stiffed. 80% of servers work their ass off, and if they do a good job I reward them greatly... telling people to get a different job is ignorant, some people enjoy the job and make good money doing it, and not tipping at all is completely stupid. I understand not tipping if the service is poor, food bad, etc... but if someone worked their ass off to serve you and get you everything your needy ass wanted they deserve to AT LEAST get 15% of their bill... if you don't believe that you really shouldn't eat out.

You know what I use to do with food orders from people like you? Spit, lick, drop, rub on the floor, etc... Acting like that with servers isn't smart, especially if you frequent a restaurant.

 

[cbehnken]

Originally posted by: Litchfield285

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Actaeon
Um, tipping is how a waitress gets their income. My mother is a waitress and her "paycheck" doesn't even exist, its just there to cover her work-insurance. As a matter of fact, she owes a little bit of money every "paycheck". All of the income comes from customers.

Not tipping is being extremely selfish.

:roll:

Boofvckinghoo. Get a different job. Not tipping is extremely selfish?

wow... I haven't found very many things on the forums that actually makes me mad -like, legitimately angry- on the forums. You've just hit one. That is easily one of the most ignorant and enraging things I have ever read on AT. Good job. :thumbsup:

What a fvcking lazy, ungreatful, stupid, self-destructive ideology. :roll:

Sure, leave it to your customers to better your life because you can't seem to get it through your thick fvcking dumbass skull that if you want more money, ask for a raise or get a different job or a second job --or a third or a forth.

"Help! I can't be bothered to actually DO anything with my life, so I'm going to whine and bitch when I don't get tipped!" :roll: :|

I served when I was in High School. I made $2.15 an hour, and worked my ass off. I earned every tip I got, I did not expect a tip, therefore I never let myself get upset when I was stiffed. 80% of servers work their ass off, and if they do a good job I reward them greatly... telling people to get a different job is ignorant, some people enjoy the job and make good money doing it, and not tipping at all is completely stupid. I understand not tipping if the service is poor, food bad, etc... but if someone worked their ass off to serve you and get you everything your needy ass wanted they deserve to AT LEAST get 15% of their bill... if you don't believe that you really shouldn't eat out.

You know what I use to do with food orders from people like you? Spit, lick, drop, rub on the floor, etc... Acting like that with servers isn't smart, especially if you frequent a restaurant.

I hope all you servers out there realize you can go to JAIL if someone catches you putting your bodily fluids into an order.

I hope you do too, so someone in the jail cell with you can show you what it's like to have someone else put their bodily fluiid *in you*

 

[cheesehead]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: chrisms

Originally posted by: Nik
I do not ever tip anyone who demands it or expects it. Bitch, you get a goddamn paycheck. Need more money? GET A DIFFERENT JOB. :|

grr...

</rant>

Expects it? As a pizza delivery driver I expected it.. if people didn't tip you'd be paying a $3 delivery charge instead of $1 to pay for my gasoline and maintenence fees.

Like I said, you GET A PAYCHECK. If you want more money, GET ANOTHER ONE or GET A DIFFERENT ONE.

You don't deserve anything other than a paycheck. You're a fvcking ape if you think you deserve to receive any money other than what's on the ticket from me and what's on your paycheck from your employer. I earned my money goddamnit and just because you chose to take a job driving around in no way entitles me to pay you anything more than what's on the ticket. Fvck off.

Do us all and look at REALITY for a moment. Many waiters only recieve miniumum wage after adjustment from tips; you are, in effect, denying someone a right which you demand for yourself (providing you live in the U.S. or a country with similar laws). Denying someone income for a service provided to you is no better than refusing to pay for an object purchased on eBay after it's been sent.

 

[cheesehead]

Originally posted by: spacejamz
N
Nice Guy Eddie: I don't even know a fvcking Jew who'd have the balls to say that. Let me get this straight: you don't ever tip?
Mr. Pink: I don't tip because society says I have to. All right, if someone deserves a tip, if they really put forth an effort, I'll give them something a little something extra. But this tipping automatically, it's for the birds. As far as I'm concerned, they're just doing their job.

Making anti-semitic quotes is little better than not leaving a tip. As young as age 10, I'd often forego a drink with my meal when I went out to eat with my friends so I could leave a decent tip. And yes, I'm Jewish.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: deftron
Nik is pathetic ...
He uses a watiers service without paying for it, which is basically theft.

LAUGH. MY. FVCKING. ASS. OFF.

THEFT!!

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I'M A THIEF IF I DON'T TIP !!!!

WRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Cheesehead

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: chrisms

Originally posted by: Nik
I do not ever tip anyone who demands it or expects it. Bitch, you get a goddamn paycheck. Need more money? GET A DIFFERENT JOB. :|

grr...

</rant>

Expects it? As a pizza delivery driver I expected it.. if people didn't tip you'd be paying a $3 delivery charge instead of $1 to pay for my gasoline and maintenence fees.

Like I said, you GET A PAYCHECK. If you want more money, GET ANOTHER ONE or GET A DIFFERENT ONE.

You don't deserve anything other than a paycheck. You're a fvcking ape if you think you deserve to receive any money other than what's on the ticket from me and what's on your paycheck from your employer. I earned my money goddamnit and just because you chose to take a job driving around in no way entitles me to pay you anything more than what's on the ticket. Fvck off.

Do us all and look at REALITY for a moment. Many waiters only recieve miniumum wage after adjustment from tips; you are, in effect, denying someone a right which you demand for yourself (providing you live in the U.S. or a country with similar laws). Denying someone income for a service provided to you is no better than refusing to pay for an object purchased on eBay after it's been sent.

:laugh:

omfg this is hilarious

"I demand that my customer pay my paycheck through a voluntary service because I DESERVE IT dammit!

:laugh:

Yeah, you deserve it, but from your employer, not your customer. Get it right and you'll have happier customers.

 

[cheesehead]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Cheesehead

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: chrisms

Originally posted by: Nik
I do not ever tip anyone who demands it or expects it. Bitch, you get a goddamn paycheck. Need more money? GET A DIFFERENT JOB. :|

grr...

</rant>

Expects it? As a pizza delivery driver I expected it.. if people didn't tip you'd be paying a $3 delivery charge instead of $1 to pay for my gasoline and maintenence fees.

Like I said, you GET A PAYCHECK. If you want more money, GET ANOTHER ONE or GET A DIFFERENT ONE.

You don't deserve anything other than a paycheck. You're a fvcking ape if you think you deserve to receive any money other than what's on the ticket from me and what's on your paycheck from your employer. I earned my money goddamnit and just because you chose to take a job driving around in no way entitles me to pay you anything more than what's on the ticket. Fvck off.

Do us all and look at REALITY for a moment. Many waiters only recieve miniumum wage after adjustment from tips; you are, in effect, denying someone a right which you demand for yourself (providing you live in the U.S. or a country with similar laws). Denying someone income for a service provided to you is no better than refusing to pay for an object purchased on eBay after it's been sent.

:laugh:

omfg this is hilarious

"I demand that my customer pay my paycheck through a voluntary service because I DESERVE IT dammit!

:laugh:

Yeah, you deserve it, but from your employer, not your customer. Get it right and you'll have happier customers.

I'm sorry; I presumed that you were human. Guess not. Some of us have parents who work 35+ hours a week on a teaching job that pays a measely sixteen grand a year, and has no benifits, despite the fact that they have a masters in art and over a decade's worth of positive references on their resume'. Many people are worse off than us, and cannot get a job anywhere else; the person bringing you your spaghetti may have a PHD in anthropology. PHD's require a lot of work, last time I checked. Although the system for paying waiters and waitresses is screwy, it's harder than ever for a restaurant owner to pay a profit, and it's the least we can do to help these people keep their apartments.
And, if you feel that a person's paycheck should not be based on wether they deserve it or not, I might want to have a chat with your boss. You're doing work for him, but if he does'nt really like it, he should'nt have to pay you, right?