What do you think of the US' drinking age?

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GagHalfrunt

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To me it seems insane, but I wasn't brought up with it so I wondered what you guys thought.

You want to hear insane? It used to be 18 for ages, then was raised to 19 and then a year later it was raised to 21. I was the perfect age to get caught out by both of those changes. When I turned 18 I could drink legally. Before I turned 19 the legal age turned to 19 and I could no longer drink legally for a couple of months. I then turned 19 and could drink legally again and before I turned 20 the legal age was raised to 21 and again, I could no longer drink legally despite having done so almost 2 years previously. Of course I had a good fake ID when I was 16 and drank for 2 years before getting the legal right to drink, so each time it was taken away from me I just faked another ID and had no real trouble. It was more of an annoyance than anything, it just defied belief the way it happened where people my age got it and lost it twice in two years. You'd think they'd at least grandfather in those who were already legal before the change, but they didn't.
 

manlymatt83

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Oct 14, 2005
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I just found out that in America you can't drink (even in private!) under the age of 21, I though you could if it was a pub or something, but even at home?! Anyway my question is, how do you guys feel about that. If your 18 you can join the army, drive a car, own a gun, get married, but you can't drink a Vodka and Coke?

Get rid of the drinking age. Penalize the effects, not the "cause".
 

frostedflakes

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Mar 1, 2005
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Oh ok, so it's cool if you like have a few friends round when your parents are out for example, that's fair enough then I don't think that having to take your drinking out the house is a huge concern when your young, if you have to just stick at home it's all good for a while.
It's kind of a clusterfuck, laws vary a lot from state to state. This page seems to have a pretty good summary. From what I understand, what you suggest is legal in seven states. With parental consent, minors can consume in 29 states on private property (edit: on private property that isn't an alcohol-selling premises, I guess).

http://drinkingage.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=002591
 
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Jumpem

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From what I recall we sent the worst to australia



Mental. But if it's legal to drink in private what's the crime?.. having too much fun?

It's illegal for those under 21 to drink (in private or not). The parents or hosts of the party will be arrested. If they can figure out who provided the alcohol to those under 21, they will be arrested as well.
 

HAL9000

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You want to hear insane? It used to be 18 for ages, then was raised to 19 and then a year later it was raised to 21. I was the perfect age to get caught out by both of those changes. When I turned 18 I could drink legally. Before I turned 19 the legal age turned to 19 and I could no longer drink legally for a couple of months. I then turned 19 and could drink legally again and before I turned 20 the legal age was raised to 21 and again, I could no longer drink legally despite having done so almost 2 years previously. Of course I had a good fake ID when I was 16 and drank for 2 years before getting the legal right to drink, so each time it was taken away from me I just faked another ID and had no real trouble. It was more of an annoyance than anything, it just defied belief the way it happened where people my age got it and lost it twice in two years. You'd think they'd at least grandfather in those who were already legal before the change, but they didn't.

That is one of the most insane things I've ever read, your right that's bad... Where do you get a fake ID? I'd love a fake american ID, with like Las Vegas on it or something???
 

Fenixgoon

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I just found out that in America you can't drink (even in private!) under the age of 21, I though you could if it was a pub or something, but even at home?! Anyway my question is, how do you guys feel about that. If your 18 you can join the army, drive a car, own a gun, get married, but you can't drink a Vodka and Coke?

i think in some states 21 is required for firearm ownership.

that being said, i really don't give a rats ass. people need to quit their bitching. you can join the army, but you can't have alcohol. big deal. one deals with your constitutional rights (serving under the commander in chief but being unable to elect him) while the other has only to do with *privileges*

does the law make sense? no. but that's what happens when states suck at the federal teat (the only reason 21 is the drinking age is because it is tied to highway funds, which are huge $$$ for states)

so if you really want to have a lower legal drinking age, have your state reject federal highway funds.


with all this in mind, the US has a completely different culture towards drinking than many other countries. so whether the drinking age is 18 or 21, you'll always have people a few years earlier sneaking alcohol and boozing it up either way.
 
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Leros

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I think it causes binge drinking in high schoolers and especially college students.

By the time kids get cars and go out on their own (age 16), some of them start drinking. When they move out for college (age 18), most of the rest start drinking.

It seems like once people turn 21, they tone down the alcohol usage to more reasonable levels. Seems like making the drinking age 16 would solve a lot of problems.
 

Ronstang

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It was 18 here when I was that age, raised to 19 halfway through my 18th year, and then upped to 21 the year I turned 21, but 7 months too late to affect me. Part of me thinks it should be 18 but the other part of me realizes that 18 year olds these days on average are too fucking stupid and irresponsible to drink. I am not an old person that just got old. I remember what it is like to be young. I spend a lot of time with young people and they are simply too immature these days at 18. Society has held their hands way too much.
 

HAL9000

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It's illegal for those under 21 to drink (in private or not). The parents or hosts of the party will be arrested. If they can figure out who provided the alcohol to those under 21, they will be arrested as well.

OK well, lets assume that they buy they win they make the alcohol themselves, what crime are the hosts comitting?!
 

HAL9000

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i think in some states 21 is required for firearm ownership.

that being said, i really don't give a rats ass. people need to quit their bitching. you can join the army, but you can't have alcohol. big deal. one deals with your constitutional rights (serving under the commander in chief but being unable to elect him) while the other has only to do with *privileges*

does the law make sense? no. but that's what happens when states suck at the federal teat (the only reason 21 is the drinking age is because it is tied to highway funds, which are huge $$$ for states)

so if you really want to have a lower legal drinking age, have your state reject federal highway funds.


with all this in mind, the US has a completely different culture towards drinking than many other countries. so whether the drinking age is 18 or 21, you'll always have people a few years earlier sneaking alcohol and boozing it up either way.

But surely if your country asks you to potentially die for it, it can't then say. Well thanks for losing the arm john but you can't have a beer...?
 

IronWing

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Jul 20, 2001
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But surely if your country asks you to potentially die for it, it can't then say. Well thanks for losing the arm john but you can't have a beer...?
You've asked two questions in a row now that would not occur to a foreigner that knows little about the US.
 

JS80

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But surely if your country asks you to potentially die for it, it can't then say. Well thanks for losing the arm john but you can't have a beer...?

What % of 18 year olds drive in the US vs in the UK?
 

fatpat268

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Oh I'm sure they do, same as those people who want drugs get it, but you shouldn't have to work around the system to do something like that.

I think you misunderstood me. Getting alcohol isn't a big deal. All you need is a friend older than 21 (or one that looks older since most places don't card you unless they're suspicious), and you've got beer.

No one is going to bust you for having some beers, regardless of your age, but it's illegal to purchase beer for people under 21, and illegal to serve beer to 21 year olds. It's not the consumption that's illegal, it's the distribution. Of course, that may vary state to state.
 

Jumpem

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OK well, lets assume that they buy they win they make the alcohol themselves, what crime are the hosts comitting?!

They can't buy it themselves being under 21. But that said, if you're 21 or over you get charged for knowingly allowing those under 21 to drink on your property.
 

Fenixgoon

Lifer
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But surely if your country asks you to potentially die for it, it can't then say. Well thanks for losing the arm john but you can't have a beer...?

what does serving in the army have to do in any way with your (in)ability to consume alcohol? it doesn't.

that's why voting was changed to 18 - because by serving in the military, you are under command of the president. yet before the constitution was amended, you would have no say in who became the president who would lead you, which makes no sense whatsoever.
 

HAL9000

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Oct 17, 2010
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You've asked two questions in a row now that would not occur to a foreigner that knows little about the US.

So what your saying is because I know that in america you can joiin the army at 18 and drink at 21, I must be american, because no foreigner knows these things or is capable of finding them out.

P.S READ MY SIG! I AM NECKARB ALONE.

Las Vegas isn't a state.

/facepalm

Didn't realise that american drivers licences were state specific..
 

HAL9000

Lifer
Oct 17, 2010
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what does serving in the army have to do in any way with your (in)ability to consume alcohol? it doesn't.

that's why voting was changed to 18 - because by serving in the military, you are under command of the president. yet before the constitution was amended, you would have no say in who became the president who would lead you, which makes no sense whatsoever.

There is no direct correlation other than the fact that the same government is letting you fight for it and stopping you from having a pint!
 

frostedflakes

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Mar 1, 2005
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I think you misunderstood me. Getting alcohol isn't a big deal. All you need is a friend older than 21 (or one that looks older since most places don't card you unless they're suspicious), and you've got beer.

No one is going to bust you for having some beers, regardless of your age, but it's illegal to purchase beer for people under 21, and illegal to serve beer to 21 year olds. It's not the consumption that's illegal, it's the distribution. Of course, that may vary state to state.
It does vary, I know a fair number of few people that have had to deal with MIPs. But Kansas seems to be one of the stricter states when it comes to underage drinking laws, in states with more lax laws it's probably not an issue.
 
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