What does Zen need to be in order to get you to buy it?

[moonbogg]

I think Kaby-X @ 5+ghz is going to steal a lot of gaming customers. For light threaded stuff nothing will touch that thing.

 

[zinfamous]

Give it a chance batman... LOL

I would be SHOCKED if it can't fit 8c/16t in 95 watts... Everything AMD has said so far about 40% IPC has been the same thing about 95W TDP.

...did you just confuse Space Ghost for Batman?

 

[Doom2pro]

...did you just confuse Space Ghost for Batman?

Space what? ... I'm sorry, I'm not in charge of making sure comic book characters don't look alike... I guess you could file a complaint against the authors.

 

[ElFenix]

Give it a chance batman... LOL

I would be SHOCKED if it can't fit 8c/16t in 95 watts... Everything AMD has said so far about 40% IPC has been the same thing about 95W TDP.

You should re-read what I wrote.

 

[Yuriman]

I might consider a Zen APU if they can balance it correctly. If IPC is better than what I have and I can cut my already tiny ITX case's size down significantly by removing the GPU, I'd do it. A 4c8t, or even 2c4t CPU with IPC at or better than Haswell and respectable clockspeeds, an integrated GPU that performs above my 4 year old low-end GPU, and a TDP that isn't outrageous, count me in. I'm thinking if they can pack this in under 100w, it'll find a home in my next build.

I don't really need a faster PC, but I will not buy one that's slower in any metric.

 

[ozzy702]

I just upgraded 3770k machine to an OC 6700k so for my main box I don't really need anything more. If I still had the 3770k machine I'd hop on an 8 core @ 3.2-3.4ghz stock clock for $300 or less, especially if it had enough OC headroom to pop it to 4ghz.

 

[JoeRambo]

I am very interested in 2P ZEN server variant. 64 cores, 128 threads sound just what doctor prescribed for some of our servers. But it needs base clock ~2Ghz ( and low core Turbo in 2.5+ region )*

* Small print: all in wattage that will not get me fired for buying them. But someone already mentioned memory density and channel count advantages that hopefully can sweeten the deal.

For my personal desktop/devel machines Zen needs to offer substantial ST performance advantage over current Haswell/Skylake machines.

 

[jihe]

Sandybridge ST performance and power efficiency.

 

[master_shake_]

faster than a 4790k and more pci-e lanes than the 32 i currently have.

 

[Triskain]

The expectations in this thread are completely out of control. I guess that is an easy way to justify the coming butthurt on launch day. Zen won't even touch Intel in top-end singlethread performance. If the thought of an octa-core with IvyBridge-E performance and somewhat better efficiency is not attractive to you, then Zen is not what you want to buy.

 

[LTC8K6]

The expectations in this thread are completely out of control. I guess that is an easy way to justify the coming butthurt on launch day. Zen will won't even touch Intel in top-end singlethread performance. If the thought of an octa-core with IvyBridge-E performance and somewhat better efficiency is not attractive to you, then Zen is not what you want to buy.

Well, we will just have to wait and see. I want Zen to be good because I want Intel to get a push.

 

[scannall]

The expectations in this thread are completely out of control. I guess that is an easy way to justify the coming butthurt on launch day. Zen won't even touch Intel in top-end singlethread performance. If the thought of an octa-core with IvyBridge-E performance and somewhat better efficiency is not attractive to you, then Zen is not what you want to buy.

That's right about where I am expecting it to be. And I do have a use for just that.

 

[VirtualLarry]

If the thought of an octa-core with IvyBridge-E performance and somewhat better efficiency is not attractive to you, then Zen is not what you want to buy.

I would certainly be down for an 8C/16T IB-level IPC CPU, in a 95W TDP. That sounds really great for DC.
Assuming it's affordable for me.

 

[kawi6rr]

Considering my FX 8350 has done everything I need it to do and then some it wont take much for me to upgrade.

 

[cytg111]

The real struggle, if you find your self in a position to upgrade/build at that time, will be between a 8 core Zen and 6 core Coffee Lake.

 

[DaveSimmons]

I used to own AMD's before Core 2 came along to stomp them on performance and perf/watt. My AMD X2's were great CPUs for gaming and work PCs back in the day.

If AMD offers at least 10% better performance and performance/watt than the sub-$500 i7 CPU of the time, I'm sold.

I'm not on a budget, aside from being too cheap to buy a $1K CPU, so just offering a better value is not enough to make me switch back.

 

[lolfail9001]

Have faster laptops SKU than Intel's in same price and TDP range. Then it may enter my laptop consideration list. Until then, nah.

The expectations in this thread are completely out of control. I guess that is an easy way to justify the coming butthurt on launch day. Zen won't even touch Intel in top-end singlethread performance. If the thought of an octa-core with IvyBridge-E performance and somewhat better efficiency is not attractive to you, then Zen is not what you want to buy.

The thought of octa-core with IB-E performance does not attract me because six-core with IB-E performance costs $400 or something right now. Hardly that much, and in most workstation/consumer usecases octa-core with IB-E performance is worse than six-core with same performance.

 

[cytg111]

But all of US, here, allready have ~ivy-hw-bw-skl performance level CPU's .. why would we want another just cause it is called Zen? 8 cores? Sure, for semi server duty.. But I dont see a real market for Zen (at release) on this board.(save a few diehards upgrading from FX'es maybe or nehalem.)

 

[kawi6rr]

But all of US, here, allready have ~ivy-hw-bw-skl performance level CPU's .. why would we want another just cause it is called Zen? 8 cores? Sure, for semi server duty.. But I dont see a real market for Zen (at release) on this board.(save a few diehards upgrading from FX'es maybe or nehalem.)

Because competition/more options drives down prices which is better for the consumer. Who cares what it's called as long as there's another option out there, you can opt for the one that best fits your needs instead of being forced to purchase one brand at one price.

 

[coercitiv]

But all of US, here, allready have ~ivy-hw-bw-skl performance level CPU's .. why would we want another just cause it is called Zen? 8 cores? Sure, for semi server duty.. But I dont see a real market for Zen (at release) on this board.(save a few diehards upgrading from FX'es maybe or nehalem.)

The same could be said about every new arch introduced by Intel past Sandy Bridge. Meanwhile Intel sold way more 6700K than they predicted. Don't underestimate consumerism

If Zen delivers on the performance side you can rest assured they won't be able to make them as fast as we (consumers) will buy them. Really big IF though.

 

[Phynaz]

Because competition/more options drives down prices which is better for the consumer. Who cares what it's called as long as there's another option out there you can opt for the one that best fits your needs instead of being forced to purchase on brand at one price.

A product is competitive only if it sells.

Just existing will not have an effect on prices. See the current competitive situation between AMD and Intel or Nvidia, neither of which are making pricing moves to counter AMD.

 

[Triskain]

I've been using a 4 GHz Ivy for four years now, so Zen can only ever be a sidegrade at best in terms of singlethread performance, assuming it can even clock that high. The same applies to most of the "enthusiast" types in forums like this one who would be the target customer for such a CPU. If we compare Zen to Kabylake, which will have ~20% more IPC and 1 GHz higher clocks, even Zen's likely lead in multithreaded scenarios shrinks drastically. I don't see much of a market for Zen on the Desktop, even if it's not disaster of Bulldozerian proportions.

 

[Headfoot]

I want a cheap dual core 4 thread i3 competitor that's fully unlocked to buy for my guest computer. Just needs to be cheaper than a used 2500k + z68/z77 mobo. Like the overclockable i3 Skylakes without the "no official support" drawbacks

 

[Excessi0n]

Better all-around performance than a comparable Intel processor OR at least ~75% of the performance with a significantly better performance per dollar. If the second scenario is true then it wouldn't make it into my gaming machine but I would definitely get it for our office machines.

 

[krumme]

Am i the only one tired of the usual 2c 15w tdp ultrabook?
I cant really tell the difference from my ib powered to skylake.
I would really like some 4c and hbm vega beast in a 45w tdp form factor.
Hell my thinkpad t460 is so fat there is room for it.