What happen to those nonmetal guns.

[alkemyst]

Particularly after 9/11, people just aren't going to let anyone hijack a plane anymore, even if it means taking a risk to themselves in order to subdue the person.

you fucking serious?!? If a terrorist presented themselves in the rather populated boarding terminal, I am sure most would be pulling their cellphone to take a pic/video rather than call anyone.

Yet alone to get involved.

 

[alkemyst]

Bullets need to be heavy and soft to do the necessary damage, and with our current technology I'm pretty sure that limits them to metals. Though I suppose some heavy gelatin in a tough plastic case could still be lethal like lead.

As for the slide I am sure we already have plastics or carbon mixes that can do the job. They would just be too expensive to mass produce.
And we've had plastic grips for a long time, so thats not an issue.

BUT, as materials technology improves, so will detection methods. I'm sure somebody already has or is at least working on a sensor that detects dense plastics, and I'm not talking about X-ray viewers either.

you serious or just messing around?

 

[SoCalAznGuy]

I was thinking more on the lines of guns that don't look like guns too. I remember reading about a gun that was disguised as a pen, and the fire mechinism was the clicker on the back. It would be indistinguishable to the a normal pen on xrays and such. It fire maybe one or two bullets. There was also match box gun, and other everyday objects that were guns.

 

[alkemyst]

I'm not going to mention what but there are far easier ways to kill a few hundred people with a high chance of success, seriously injure or terrorize several hundred more, by procuring materials that aren't even restricted or regulated except at the commercial/industrial storage and transport level.

Yeah even in simple "real" chemistry classes I had access to things simply dropped in water that could provide enough to blow a plane open.

Sadly, they are dumbing us down. I spoke with a current chemistry student a couple years ago and I was glad I wasn't close to having a mental breakdown.

Youths today aren't taught anything really. If I really wanted to learn today, I'd be online A LOT researching...then doing what I read.


rinse repeat.

 

[StageLeft]

I agree with the above, it would be very difficult to hijack a US airliner now.

Case in point every attempt since 9/11 was known about INCLUDING on 911 the one that crashed in the field.

 

[LTC8K6]

I was thinking more on the lines of guns that don't look like guns too. I remember reading about a gun that was disguised as a pen, and the fire mechinism was the clicker on the back. It would be indistinguishable to the a normal pen on xrays and such. It fire maybe one or two bullets. There was also match box gun, and other everyday objects that were guns.

Guns that don't look like guns have been around as long as there have been guns...

 

[rockyct]

Yeah even in simple "real" chemistry classes I had access to things simply dropped in water that could provide enough to blow a plane open.

Sadly, they are dumbing us down. I spoke with a current chemistry student a couple years ago and I was glad I wasn't close to having a mental breakdown.

Youths today aren't taught anything really. If I really wanted to learn today, I'd be online A LOT researching...then doing what I read.


rinse repeat.

Airlines should ban any device with a Li-ion battery. Those could really do some damage if you know what you're doing. However, that would cause a huge uproar in the public.

 

[JulesMaximus]

I don't know about glocks, but the S&W M&P have polymer frames with steel inserts, so even the frames still have metal in them.

There isn't a single individual part that a Glock can be broken down to that doesn't include metal.

Here is a complete Glock Model 17...the original complete with 17 rounds of 9mm goodness.

Here it is stripped down to its 5 major components for cleaning.

Here are the parts that are made out of steel (about half the dimensional proportions of the gun...and most of the weight aside from ammunition)

These are the plastic parts and every single one of them has metal in it. You couldn't even break this gun down and smuggle one part of it through a halfway decent security checkpoint. And even if you did get these parts through, you couldn't possibly use them without the steel parts and the ammunition.

Edit-I've put several thousand rounds through this gun. It is the most reliable gun I've ever owned. I bought it new in 1994 along with 2 spare magazines so I have 4 original Glock 17 round magazines.

 

[glenn1]

Caseless ammunition has been around for a while. But again, you're not going to be able to smuggle enough to do much damage to the aircraft, and not enough to kill more than a few people. I'm not going to mention what but there are far easier ways to kill a few hundred people with a high chance of success, seriously injure or terrorize several hundred more, by procuring materials that aren't even restricted or regulated except at the commercial/industrial storage and transport level.

IMHO, it's even easier than that. Once you're inside the security checkpoint, purchase a couple large bottles of water from a merchant inside the checkpoint, and empty them. Next, find a terminal custodial crew; use their supplies to fill up the water bottles to bring aboard - one to contain bleach, the other ammonia. Get up to altitude, mix them together, and watch the hilarity ensue.

 

[0roo0roo]

but seriously i doubt a ceramic chamber/barrel would survive a bullet firing esp if it were made the same size as the metal counter part. ceramic is strong, but brittle last i checked.

 

[alkemyst]

I was thinking more on the lines of guns that don't look like guns too. I remember reading about a gun that was disguised as a pen, and the fire mechinism was the clicker on the back. It would be indistinguishable to the a normal pen on xrays and such. It fire maybe one or two bullets. There was also match box gun, and other everyday objects that were guns.

A pen gun is distingushable via X-ray. Just not visibly.