What happened to the default ? I can't stand this layout.

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herm0016

Diamond Member
Feb 26, 2005
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it would be nice if you could navigate without trying to find the links in your history? wtf. . .

someone show me how to get between the different forums? they may have actually killed it this time. deactivate account is tempting.
 

VirtualLarry

No Lifer
Aug 25, 2001
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Oh another thing, anyone find the spell check is weird? Like sometimes a word will be wrong, but then the red goes away and the options to correct go away. It's like if it's somehow interfering with the browser based spell check. Sometimes everything goes red. Don't realize how much you rely on spell check until it stops working properly lol. Kind of sad actually.
That's just the browser malware the hackers installed, stealing all your cookies and passwords. Pay it no mind.

Edit: And I LIKE the changes. At least now, on mobile, I can read and reply to PMs. Before, they were inaccessable.
 

ctbaars

Golden Member
Nov 4, 2009
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I actually have a little difficulty looking at the font. I have an easier time with the header and footer/signature text than the main body text.
 

hardhat

Senior member
Dec 4, 2011
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I guess I could stand the AnandTech Dark theme if they would just change the white font to not be so bright.


Just changing the font color to this makes it much more readable for me.
 

destrekor

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Nov 18, 2005
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It's not about "being afraid of change". When the change is bad then why accept it? . Same with Windows, every time they change it, it's for the worst. There is no reason to change stuff just for the sake of it. When a design works, then you leave it alone. There seems to be a trend now days of changing stuff just because of it. All the big companies seem to be doing it, and what for?
Software is "done" for the most part, but they want to keep selling it. That's why you get "features" that amount to rearranging the deck chairs.

Oh come now, software is never "done." Feature creep is real because the wants and needs of the users changes over time, competitors introduce competitive features, etc. Then there's bug fixes and performance improvements that, due to changing architectures, new efficiency methods, etc, thus demand nearly full rewrites of certain stacks.

Just changing the UI for the sake of freshness isn't really the real purpose. It's often because we, the humans that use the product, tend to equate staleness with oldness, and thus with inferiority. Blame the human psyche for that - new UI is always a thing because new design everywhere tends to be the thing. New design trends sweep the industries, thus why designs change in every single avenue of life. Wordmarks/logotypes are constantly changing for every business in every sector, restaurant themes get refreshed as "the times change" and what have you. It's more to do with human psyche than a business decision to refresh just to sell another version. New features in new versions tend to do the selling themselves, especially if old versions become abandoned and bug/security fixes no longer occur (a necessity due to the finite amount of time and human resources available to dedicate to that cause). But again, thanks to our collective psyche, some thematic refresh or tweak is often called for just to help give the new features a fresh coat of paint to sell as a new SKU.
 

lxskllr

No Lifer
Nov 30, 2004
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Oh come now, software is never "done." Feature creep is real because the wants and needs of the users changes over time, competitors introduce competitive features, etc. Then there's bug fixes and performance improvements that, due to changing architectures, new efficiency methods, etc, thus demand nearly full rewrites of certain stacks.

Just changing the UI for the sake of freshness isn't really the real purpose. It's often because we, the humans that use the product, tend to equate staleness with oldness, and thus with inferiority. Blame the human psyche for that - new UI is always a thing because new design everywhere tends to be the thing. New design trends sweep the industries, thus why designs change in every single avenue of life. Wordmarks/logotypes are constantly changing for every business in every sector, restaurant themes get refreshed as "the times change" and what have you. It's more to do with human psyche than a business decision to refresh just to sell another version. New features in new versions tend to do the selling themselves, especially if old versions become abandoned and bug/security fixes no longer occur (a necessity due to the finite amount of time and human resources available to dedicate to that cause). But again, thanks to our collective psyche, some thematic refresh or tweak is often called for just to help give the new features a fresh coat of paint to sell as a new SKU.
Bug fixes should be invisible to the end user unless your initial security was so poor it requires fundamental change. Forum software should have been stable 15 years ago, and require nothing more than maintenance releases. I like software that works. I have programs on my phone that were made when froyo was the new hottness. They work fine, and "material design" wouldn't make them work any better. I also use xfce on my desktop. One of the biggest reasons I like it is development is glacial. If they aren't changing it, they aren't fucking it up; like this new forum software. I'm typing this on my phone with the cramped portrait layout csuse they fucked up landscape and I can't see what I'm typing.
 

destrekor

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Nov 18, 2005
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Bug fixes should be invisible to the end user unless your initial security was so poor it requires fundamental change. Forum software should have been stable 15 years ago, and require nothing more than maintenance releases. I like software that works. I have programs on my phone that were made when froyo was the new hottness. They work fine, and "material design" wouldn't make them work any better. I also use xfce on my desktop. One of the biggest reasons I like it is development is glacial. If they aren't changing it, they aren't fucking it up; like this new forum software. I'm typing this on my phone with the cramped portrait layout csuse they fucked up landscape and I can't see what I'm typing.

Sometimes major framework overhauls require some significant UI changes in order to enable features "downstream."
I'd actually be worried about using anything that maintains glacial development cycles. While some software, like xfce, may be able to get away with it, many software packages cannot. *nix is a funny beast because significant overhauls of something like the kernel can occur without necessitating significant changes downwind. But other times that is also not even true, because significant security developments in the kernel stack may require downstream developers to significantly alter their frameworks to incorporate the new modern security features.

Software that appears stale may just be a preference for the old and familiar, and some software like xfce fit that bill, making changes as they need but otherwise keeping the UI the same.
But your examples like Froyo-era applications - if they still have UI that fits the Froyo style guides, then I reckon there hasn't been any further development in the modern era. Granted, for some software that isn't necessary, but that also indicates the software has been basically abandoned and there could be glaring security holes or system-breaking bugs that become more glaringly obvious with each OS update. Sometimes these holes aren't things most end users need to worry about, but I'd never vouch for that notion.

The entire software development stack is fluid, so anything that stands still should rightly be considered suspect. There are exemptions of course, like xfce. And that helps prove that UI doesn't always need to change, but sometimes the UI change is crucial for user base growth because stagnancy is frowned upon, even if that's mostly an unconscious attitude. Newness = the hot newness. Stale = old, buggy, a security and/or privacy nightmare. And sometimes that UI change is necessary simply to be able to adopt new features, and adding features isn't something that should be frowned upon.

Now when it comes to forum software specifically, they are most definitely NOT complete/done. Anything web-facing is never done. Frameworks have holes, services have holes, etc. At the very least, development is an on-going cycle of patching old holes, and then often patching the new holes opened by either the patching of old holes or introduced via underlying framework patches. Development is also always changing, as the programming languages themselves are always (slowly) changing, adding new features, fixing buggy old features, fixing security holes, introducing more efficient algorithms and CPU architectural changes, new memory techniques, etc. All of this then necessitates that software that uses that code then needs their own updates, and sometimes significant changes in order to take advantage of newer techniques and new features. Which then means a new product version for end users. And, back to the human psyche, that's usually a good time to utilize the modern styleguides and interface frameworks, and that is partly just to keep up with whatever the style trend is at that time, and also to prettify the new package to help convince end users the upgrade is desirable. Most end users don't care about updating to be compliant with this or that, or including new framework changes now so that new features are easier to introduce later, or fixing this security hole or this bug that only those on the backend need worry about, etc. The newness needs window dressing to win over the end users.

Yes, I imagine sometimes some changes are introduced solely because developers are bored and want to sell a new version (or the corporate motivations dictate the developers), and mayhap on occasion even the new features are simply a means to sell a new version and try to convince people its a necessary purchase, but often there's a host of underlying reasons that kickstarts the development in the first place.
 

sdifox

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On a phone, I'm typing blind. The reply window doesn't go above the keyboard(landscape), and I can't see what I'm typing


I opened a thread in forum issues. Pipe up there and they may do something if enpugh people complain.
 

highland145

Lifer
Oct 12, 2009
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it would be nice if you could navigate without trying to find the links in your history? wtf. . .

someone show me how to get between the different forums? they may have actually killed it this time. deactivate account is tempting.
Just below the thread title....home>forum>social>otdc
 

ultimatebob

Lifer
Jul 1, 2001
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Is anyone else still getting a blank screen when they try to visit the site, or is that just me?

It works on my phone, though. Odd.
 

GagHalfrunt

Lifer
Apr 19, 2001
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Hey now, be nice! This site is hard to read on a smartphone!

Somehow that makes me feel better. I assumed that this unholy mess was designed by a kid with a phone who doesn't understand that widescreen monitors exist. If it's fucked up on phones too it means that it was designed by a complete numbskull and not a platform snob.

Still no word on when/if a decent theme might be forthcoming? Cya later in the week.
 

Red Squirrel

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May 24, 2003
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www.anyf.ca
Is anyone else still getting a blank screen when they try to visit the site, or is that just me?

It works on my phone, though. Odd.

I was getting it all last night. It seems fine now. Tried a private window too to make sure it was not some weird cookie thing. Probably a php error. If errors are turned off (which is default now) you just get a blank screen. It took me a while to figure that one out once when trying to figure out why my site was not working... I had made a typo on the SQL config file but without an error I had no idea what was going on.
 

Carson Dyle

Diamond Member
Jul 2, 2012
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I'm slowly getting this theme knocked back into shape. Here's a screenshot of the bottom of a thread page.

Still a lot of work to do, but I've restored the visibility of the Joined/Posts etc. Tightened up the spacing, color changes (I prefer lighter themes, with black on white), larger user avatars. Removed the footer completely and also fixed some stuff in the header, like sizing it down some and removing the text from the icons.

 
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