What happens to professionals after they leave prison?

[eng2d2]

A real estate agent and his wife in our area who netted 50 million from real estate scam got out in 4 years. He is back selling real estate again hired by a reputable company. I am scratching my head on this.

 

[zinfamous]

So I know a professional who owned two homes, husband had a business. Both of them apparently were involved in some fraudulent business activities. FBI nabbed them, they are going to do 4 years in federal prison in a few months.

Question is, when they get out from prison. What types of work would they even be able to do??? I imaging bagging groceries. Could they even be able to return back to the same social status they were before?

They get a nice cushy position lobbying to their buddies in Congress.

 

[steppinthrax]

True but a criminal record makes it more difficult to get bank financing to get your business started and can prevent some deals from happening after a background check.

That may be correct. I know with SBA (Small Business Association), if you want to obtain any SBA loan or get under the 8(a) program you have to be clean. In addition if you want to do federal contracting you have to be clean.

But you can simply use a clean person in your business as a silent partner and give them very little distribution. LIke a family member etc...

 

[fralexandr]

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[Darwin333]

My dealings with small business owners, contractors, and local chambers of commerce, has led me to believe that all business owners are criminals; only some of them have been caught.

I work with a ton of contractors, a lot of which are worth mid 7 figures, and I can attest that the above is very true. Hell not only have I seen bribes happen but then I saw very public bragging about it and that's just one very small example. Everyone knows but everyone else is doing something illegal and most of it is very hard to prove.

 

[Darwin333]

Yeah that's probably really the only way. I've never applied at a job that didn't require a criminal record check.

I would not be surprised if lot of people just return back to crime because they don't know what else to do with their life. Even starting a business is going to be hard since you still need a place to stay, food, and bills to pay once you get out, but yet you're starting from scratch with $0.

So you basically come out, become homeless, then have to try to start a new life from there, from scratch. Well some family might help and such.

Not to mention the fact that you just spent a very long time in what is essentially Criminal University. You go in for one crime but you have absolutely nothing to do but talk to other criminals and it's usually about criminal shit. So you get out of jail with a metric shit ton of additional "criminal knowledge", have virtually nothing in a lot of cases, it's extremely tough to find any sort of decent job now that you have a criminal record and very few jails these days teach marketable skills. Yet we wonder why the recidivism rate is so high and we really really love locking people up in the first place in the USA.

 

[Kaido]

Scariest one I've ever read was on CNN today:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/14/sport/bruno-fernandes-de-souza-return-football-boa-esporte/index.html

After serving seven years in prison for killing his ex-girlfriend and feeding her to dogs, Brazilian goalkeeper Bruno Fernandes de Souza is controversially back in the game, signed by Boa Esporte for two years.

 

[Kaido]

Not to mention the fact that you just spent a very long time in what is essentially Criminal University. You go in for one crime but you have absolutely nothing to do but talk to other criminals and it's usually about criminal shit. So you get out of jail with a metric shit ton of additional "criminal knowledge", have virtually nothing in a lot of cases, it's extremely tough to find any sort of decent job now that you have a criminal record and very few jails these days teach marketable skills. Yet we wonder why the recidivism rate is so high and we really really love locking people up in the first place in the USA.

imo, aside from outsourcing jobs & killing our students with a lifetime of loan debt, our lack of a good rehabilitation system is one of the most embarrassing things about our country. Check out this article from a few years ago:

http://www.businessinsider.com/an-a...n--and-he-couldnt-believe-what-he-saw-2014-10

TL;DR: An American warden visited a prison in Norway, where they had dartboards, knives, and metal tools in a high-security facility, plus fun stuff like an Xbox & guitars. They focus on rehabilitation, realizing that most inmates will eventually rejoin society, so they want them to be production & non-threatening members of society instead of just locking them up for a set period of time.

 

[chimaxi83]

Interesting, I'm a small business owner. At least I've been starting up and trying to build my business. Many people that know me well said I tend to have a criminal mind. I make a pretty high salary, but I want even more and I don't want a boss.

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Nice job thinning out the competition! What'd the FBI give you?

 

[Darwin333]

imo, aside from outsourcing jobs & killing our students with a lifetime of loan debt, our lack of a good rehabilitation system is one of the most embarrassing things about our country. Check out this article from a few years ago:

http://www.businessinsider.com/an-a...n--and-he-couldnt-believe-what-he-saw-2014-10

TL;DR: An American warden visited a prison in Norway, where they had dartboards, knives, and metal tools in a high-security facility, plus fun stuff like an Xbox & guitars. They focus on rehabilitation, realizing that most inmates will eventually rejoin society, so they want them to be production & non-threatening members of society instead of just locking them up for a set period of time.

I couldn't agree more. We are literally number 1 at people in jail both by total number and per capita, we absolutely LOVE throwing people in jail in this country. What we do with most prisoners, prisoners that are to be released after relatively short sentences, is actually quite the opposite of rehabilitation.

 

[Darwin333]

Nice job thinning out the competition! What'd the FBI give you?

Clemency of course.

 

[ronbo613]

My dealings with small business owners, contractors, and local chambers of commerce, has led me to believe that all business owners are criminals; only some of them have been caught.

Having run a successful business for thirty years and knowing other business owners, I can say with 100% certainty that all business owners are not criminals. If all your "customers" are criminals, how do we know you're not one too? Or are you the only honest man?

 

[Kaido]

I couldn't agree more. We are literally number 1 at people in jail both by total number and per capita, we absolutely LOVE throwing people in jail in this country. What we do with most prisoners, prisoners that are to be released after relatively short sentences, is actually quite the opposite of rehabilitation.

Just spitballing here, I think there are kind of 3 main groups of offenders:

1. People who have never been taught better & can be rehabilitated
2. People who can never be rehabilitated, or who have done a crime so heinous they should never be released
3. People with mental issues who belong in an institution, not a prison

Without going into detail, I had a guy fresh out of prison stay with us while our mutual friend helped him get back on his feet. It really changed my view of ex-cons in a lot of ways because for starters, he wasn't the stereotypical Hollywood depiction of a bad guy...he had done some bad stuff, but he wasn't a rotten person. We basically provided dinner & a place to sleep for a couple of months and got to know him and it pretty much turned out he never stood a chance growing up. It's easy to say that once you're an adult, you should magically be responsible & make proper choices, but growing up, if your dad bailed, your mom was an addict, you grew up in the ghetto, got kicked out of school, and your only friends were street thugs who dealt drugs & robbed people, then it's kind of hard to completely change your worldview & a lifetime of habits because that's simply not your interface with the world & how it works.

I saw that guy go through a lot of growing up in a very short amount of time as he got really serious about turning himself into a productive member of society. I saw him shift mentally into realizing he could put in a good job every day at work, he could live a stable life & provide for himself through legal means, basically having a lightbulb turn on that there was a whole world that everyone else was living in where they didn't have to be jerks to each other or live in a dog-eat-dog world, or lie, cheat, or steal to make ends meet. I feel very, very fortunate that I grew up with good role models in relatively safe neighborhoods because it became very obvious to me how my parents & surroundings had kind of pre-set me mentally to expecting to get educated, work hard, contribute, etc., similar to how systems like KIPP focus on making the kids focus on going to college to get a stable job that will support them throughout their lives. I can't imagine growing up in conditions like this dude did & then having to complete redefine my worldview later in life as an adult after making mistakes that landed him in prison.

I think a lot of it boils down to personal desire. I remember back in college taking shifts driving one of our buddies into rehab every week. He had turned into the definition of a loser; even his own mom had kicked him out because he couldn't stop using & couldn't hold down a job. His core problem was simply that he didn't want to change. Everyone is a mess in their own way, some in more serious ways than others, but most issues in the past can be overcome if you're willing to work through them, but he had no desire to stop being a drug addict. I eventually quit taking him to rehab once I realized he was still using & just doing a charade for the last of his friends. It's hard to drop friends because you feel like you're bailing on them, but he was an adult and his choice at the time was to keep making crappy decisions about his life & his future, and I had to decide, as they say, to fish or cut bait. I hope he turned his life around, but I haven't talked to him in over a decade now. I think people like him can be rehabilitated, but he has to hit a point where he either willingly decides to grow up, or where he hits rock-bottom & ends up in a really bad situation or in prison before he's forced to reconsider his life.

Then there's the group of people who have mental issues who have committed wrongdoings & really belong in institutionalized care, not in prison, but we don't have the best system for dealing with that in America right now. I do think a lot of our laws & legal approachs need revamping, not just with the basic stuff like people who carry drugs get 5x the sentence time of people who rape others, but with stuff like Norway's approach to rehabilitation...eventually these people will be back on the streets, and a lot of them simply never stood a chance to fit into normal society...but can fit in given the opportunity. Not everyone wants to, and not everyone is capable of being rehabilitated in that way, but I think an awful lot of people who are in there can be better served with programs like that. A lot of other countries are successfully adopting programs that do just that:

http://www.takepart.com/article/201...tional-prisons-put-rehabilitation-punishment/

 

[louis redfoot]

driving a cab would be a start

 

[highland145]

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[John Connor]