What happens when a motorist hits a cyclist, and then road rages the cyclist.

[Baked]

Bike messengers are just 1 level up from cock roaches. Obviously the bike dude's afraid the asian guy would put the Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique on his ass. What a pussy.

 

[Rebasxer]

My freshman year roomy was a bike messenger over our winter break, he said he would never do it again, that all the messengers suck and that they like to trip acid while they ride around. Not saying this is for everyone but just what I've heard

 

[eadInc]

No fault to the biker for using a U-Lock. If I didn't know the person and they were continually harassing me and then physically escalated by grabbing me, I wouldn't think two seconds on lighting nearby child on fire and beating the man back with it. If the person is disturbed enough to start grabbing at me, he might have The Mad Cow or something and spit his disease on me.. I dunno. I can always buy a new non-bloodied bike lock *shrug*

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Dick move to use the lock against a guy that just had his fists. Be a man and fight him hand to hand.

KT

If you attack me in the street I will NOT fight fair. Why the fuck do you think you deserve a fair fight if you attack me???

I will use whatever means I have to render you no longer able to do me harm. I'm not there to have a sporting match with you. I'm there protecting my well being and possibly my life.

You wanna box? Join a league. Wanna get choked out or beaten with a stick? Attack me when I'm not playing.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: Narse
aww I expected more than that response! ;-)

If you expected more, you should have given me a more antagonistic reply. :beer:

you mean like "would you have used the Ulock or just pulled your gak and shot his ass?" type of comments?

personally, i couldnt tell who started the actual assault, but either way the asian dood didnt have a weapon or anything with which to threaten the guy with. the bike guy wasnt a small guy or really in any danger of being overpowered by the asian guy, so i think he acted wrongly. and how do people know the details of how it started and what happened before the video? based on just the video guys interpretation? i would have been all over getting the cops involved if some ass on a motorcycle hit me, thats why im uncertain this happened as stated.

 

[KeithTalent]

I don't know, the old Asian guy didn't even look like much of a threat. I can't imagine beating him with something a lock like that.

KT

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: Narse
aww I expected more than that response! ;-)

If you expected more, you should have given me a more antagonistic reply. :beer:

you mean like "would you have used the Ulock or just pulled your gak and shot his ass?" type of comments?

personally, i couldnt tell who started the actual assault, but either way the asian dood didnt have a weapon or anything with which to threaten the guy with. the bike guy wasnt a small guy or really in any danger of being overpowered by the asian guy, so i think he acted wrongly. and how do people know the details of how it started and what happened before the video? based on just the video guys interpretation? i would have been all over getting the cops involved if some ass on a motorcycle hit me, thats why im uncertain this happened as stated.

The Asian clearly follows the biker and will not let him be. The biker starts hitting the Asian when the Asian grabs on to him.

I'd do the same.

It's also funny how the biker never lets go of his bike. LOL!

When I'm assaulted it's not about being fair. It's about stopping the assault with the LEAST physical damage to myself.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
I don't know, the old Asian guy didn't even look like much of a threat. I can't imagine beating him with something a lock like that.

KT

He kept following the biker, then grabbed him. That's assault. And after the first blows, the Asian starting walking after the biker again, so the biker hits him again. As soon as the Asian walks away, the biker leaves.

The most damage to people is done by the people they think don't look like a threat. Ask any cop or bouncer.

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
I don't know, the old Asian guy didn't even look like much of a threat. I can't imagine beating him with something a lock like that.

KT

He kept following the biker, then grabbed him. That's assault. And after the first blows, the Asian starting walking after the biker again, so the biker hits him again. As soon as the Asian walks away, the biker leaves.

The most damage to people is done by the people they think don't look like a threat. Ask any cop or bouncer.

Well you seem to have much more experience with this kind of stuff than I do, but my perception, just from watching the video, is hitting him repeatedly with the bike lock was overkill.

KT

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Amused

The Asian clearly follows the biker and will not let him be. The biker starts hitting the Asian when the Asian grabs on to him.

I'd do the same.

It's also funny how the biker never lets go of his bike. LOL!

When I'm assaulted it's not about being fair. It's about stopping the assault with the LEAST physical damage to myself.

Well he was perfectly able to get on his bike after smashing old dudes face in. Quickest way to deescalate would have to just got back on his fucking bike to begin with.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: Narse
aww I expected more than that response! ;-)

If you expected more, you should have given me a more antagonistic reply. :beer:

you mean like "would you have used the Ulock or just pulled your gak and shot his ass?" type of comments?

personally, i couldnt tell who started the actual assault, but either way the asian dood didnt have a weapon or anything with which to threaten the guy with. the bike guy wasnt a small guy or really in any danger of being overpowered by the asian guy, so i think he acted wrongly. and how do people know the details of how it started and what happened before the video? based on just the video guys interpretation? i would have been all over getting the cops involved if some ass on a motorcycle hit me, thats why im uncertain this happened as stated.

The Asian clearly follows the biker and will not let him be. The biker starts hitting the Asian when the Asian grabs on to him.

I'd do the same.

It's also funny how the biker never lets go of his bike. LOL!

When I'm assaulted it's not about being fair. It's about stopping the assault with the LEAST physical damage to myself.

i guess i dont have the same threat level meter as most people then. ive had people in my face like that before, and rarely have i had to do more than break their grip and push them back. sometimes it escalates after that to a fight, but majority of the time people will rethink their aggressiveness, especially if they are not street fighters. this asian guy was not a street fighter.

and what possible damage can be done to you by someone grabbing your arm? thats just movie paranoia getting going there, if the guy knew kung fu he would have kicked your ass already. the lock use was over the top.

but i guess i was just taught differently, no big deal.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
I don't know, the old Asian guy didn't even look like much of a threat. I can't imagine beating him with something a lock like that.

KT

He kept following the biker, then grabbed him. That's assault. And after the first blows, the Asian starting walking after the biker again, so the biker hits him again. As soon as the Asian walks away, the biker leaves.

The most damage to people is done by the people they think don't look like a threat. Ask any cop or bouncer.

what damage? fingerprints on his sleeve? damn. technically poking someone with a finger is assault. would i kick your ass over you poking me in the chest? not likely. i dont have a bad or quick temper tho.

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Amused

The Asian clearly follows the biker and will not let him be. The biker starts hitting the Asian when the Asian grabs on to him.

I'd do the same.

It's also funny how the biker never lets go of his bike. LOL!

When I'm assaulted it's not about being fair. It's about stopping the assault with the LEAST physical damage to myself.

Well he was perfectly able to get on his bike after smashing old dudes face in. Quickest way to deescalate would have to just got back on his fucking bike to begin with.

Yeah, I agree with this. Seemed like he could have just ridden away without much difficulty.

KT

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Amused

The Asian clearly follows the biker and will not let him be. The biker starts hitting the Asian when the Asian grabs on to him.

I'd do the same.

It's also funny how the biker never lets go of his bike. LOL!

When I'm assaulted it's not about being fair. It's about stopping the assault with the LEAST physical damage to myself.

Well he was perfectly able to get on his bike after smashing old dudes face in. Quickest way to deescalate would have to just got back on his fucking bike to begin with.

Yeah, I agree with this. Seemed like he could have just ridden away without much difficulty.

KT

It's nice to monday morning quarterback, isn't it?

The biker was trying to walk away and repeatedly tells the Asian guy to leave him alone. He doesn't hit the Asian guy until the Asian guy grabs him.

Now you're saying he should have run away as fast as possible instead of just walk away?

 

[Fayd]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Amused

The Asian clearly follows the biker and will not let him be. The biker starts hitting the Asian when the Asian grabs on to him.

I'd do the same.

It's also funny how the biker never lets go of his bike. LOL!

When I'm assaulted it's not about being fair. It's about stopping the assault with the LEAST physical damage to myself.

Well he was perfectly able to get on his bike after smashing old dudes face in. Quickest way to deescalate would have to just got back on his fucking bike to begin with.

Yeah, I agree with this. Seemed like he could have just ridden away without much difficulty.

KT

in my experience, getting on top of your bicycle is the most dangerous point cause your balance is at its weakest.

pushing the asian guy down then getting on the cycle and riding away would have been best.

i agree flailing the bike lock around does seem a little harsh, but i wouldnt charge him for it.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Amused

It's nice to monday morning quarterback, isn't it?

The biker was trying to walk away and repeatedly tells the Asian guy to leave him alone. He doesn't hit the Asian guy until the Asian guy grabs him.

Now you're saying he should have run away as fast as possible instead of just walk away?

Well he does have a bike. The reason he rides away at the end isn't to escape from a dangerous attacker, but to get the fuck outta there before getting arrested.

 

[ChaoZ]

"Crazy, and oddly enough, the very next day i saw another fight in the street between two women and titties were flyin in that one, high heels bangin on car windows... unfortunately i did not have the camera, bummer. Enjoy."

That makes me sad.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Amused

It's nice to monday morning quarterback, isn't it?

The biker was trying to walk away and repeatedly tells the Asian guy to leave him alone. He doesn't hit the Asian guy until the Asian guy grabs him.

Now you're saying he should have run away as fast as possible instead of just walk away?

Well he does have a bike. The reason he rides away at the end isn't to escape from a dangerous attacker, but to get the fuck outta there before getting arrested.

While the asian guy is on top of him and being threatening, you think it's a good idea to mount a bike???

Why would the biker get arrested? He was defending himself. The Asian assaulted him first.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Amused

While the asian guy is on top of him and being threatening, you think it's a good idea to mount a bike???

Why would the biker get arrested? He was defending himself. The Asian assaulted him first.

I think that it's a bad idea to club someone in the face with metal. The biker broke contact with the first few swings, then turned back and hit the guy some more.

Yes, I would have arrested both parties for assault.


Edit - Just to clarify, if cops did show up both parties would have been charged anyways.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Amused

While the asian guy is on top of him and being threatening, you think it's a good idea to mount a bike???

Why would the biker get arrested? He was defending himself. The Asian assaulted him first.

I think that it's a bad idea to club someone in the face with metal. The biker broke contact with the first few swings, then turned back and hit the guy some more.

Yes, I would have arrested both parties for assault.


Edit - Just to clarify, if cops did show up both parties would have been charged anyways.

He breaks contact, and then the Asian guy moves toward him again. As soon as the Asian guy walks AWAY, he stops.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Amused

While the asian guy is on top of him and being threatening, you think it's a good idea to mount a bike???

Why would the biker get arrested? He was defending himself. The Asian assaulted him first.

I think that it's a bad idea to club someone in the face with metal. The biker broke contact with the first few swings, then turned back and hit the guy some more.

Yes, I would have arrested both parties for assault.


Edit - Just to clarify, if cops did show up both parties would have been charged anyways.

He breaks contact, and then the Asian guy moves toward him again. As soon as the Asian guy walks AWAY, he stops.

We're either watching a different video or you're stupid. Either way, assault on both parties.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Amused

While the asian guy is on top of him and being threatening, you think it's a good idea to mount a bike???

Why would the biker get arrested? He was defending himself. The Asian assaulted him first.

I think that it's a bad idea to club someone in the face with metal. The biker broke contact with the first few swings, then turned back and hit the guy some more.

Yes, I would have arrested both parties for assault.


Edit - Just to clarify, if cops did show up both parties would have been charged anyways.

He breaks contact, and then the Asian guy moves toward him again. As soon as the Asian guy walks AWAY, he stops.

We're either watching a different video or you're stupid. Either way, assault on both parties.

I agree with Amused. The guy didn't back down at first, but when he finally did the biker left.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Amused

While the asian guy is on top of him and being threatening, you think it's a good idea to mount a bike???

Why would the biker get arrested? He was defending himself. The Asian assaulted him first.

I think that it's a bad idea to club someone in the face with metal. The biker broke contact with the first few swings, then turned back and hit the guy some more.

Yes, I would have arrested both parties for assault.


Edit - Just to clarify, if cops did show up both parties would have been charged anyways.

He breaks contact, and then the Asian guy moves toward him again. As soon as the Asian guy walks AWAY, he stops.

We're either watching a different video or you're stupid. Either way, assault on both parties.

Watch it again. The Asian man takes half a step toward the biker and keeps his guard up just before the biker opens up again. I'd have done the same thing. Once the Asian steps away and stops the aggressive stance, the biker stops.

 

[amdhunter]

Man I was hoping for the Asian guy to take that bike and just freaking beat the living shit out of that biker. Screw him. Biker should have had his head cracked open.

EDIT: I base this decision on the biker trying to leave after getting into an accident. I would have tried to stop him too.

 

[Baked]

Ok, I read the supposed back story in the OP and I don't for a minute believe that's the true story. After watching the video, I think the bike guy crashed into the asian guy's car and tried to get away, so the asian guy chases after him. But then nobody really knows the true story because the guy who took the video only showed the 2nd half of the incident and left out the cause.

I like to ask the people who are defending the biker, if some guy crashes into your car and tries to run away, would you chase after him like the asian guy? Are you ok with getting beat over the head multiple times by a U Lock?

Seems to be like another case of bicyclists thinking traffic laws for vehicles don't apply to them and it's perfectly ok to do a hit and run w/o any consequence 'cause there's no license plate to trace them. Awesome!