What has a greater odd?

[xBiffx]

And if you use the same resource, you'd learn that you're using odds and chances incorrectly.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_odds_differ_from_chances

From my link.

Odds, on the other hand, are given as:

(Chances for) : (Chances against)

You can never change those two numbers with ticket purchases because they come for the combinations of numbers that make up a winning number. You only ever have 1 way to win.

 

[Zeze]

This thread is now losing steam, stop replying and give this guy attention.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

This thread is now losing steam, stop replying and give this guy attention.

Clearly can't address a contradiction in his own world; probably needs heavy anti psychotics and starts breaking things when people point out his reality is make-believe.

 

[xBiffx]

Shut up. Stop trying to save face, it's badly obvious. You never said it was just semantics.

You've always argued they were different and odds remained the same in a single-drawing of lottery. Even in your own definition and links, odds and chance are same.

Stop trying to weasel your way out.

Maybe, in between the rage, you could pull your head out of your ass and read.

The whole time they have been arguing that you can change the odds but you can't. You can increase your chances but the odds have nothing to do with tickets. Arguing semantics but words have different meaning.

Odds do remain the same in a single-drawing lottery. You don't have to sell one ticket to know what the odds are. I know the odds of every table game at the casino without having to place a single bet. Neither of those odds change no matter how I play the game.

 

[busydude]

Guys, can we agree on one thing?

The odds of an individual ticket is the same regardless of the number of tickets sold.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Guys, can we agree on one thing?

The odds of an individual ticket is the same regardless of the number of tickets sold.

The odds of that ticket hitting the numbers drawn are the same. The odds of that ticket winning the pot is determined by the number of tickets sold.

See, i'm just playing a stupid semantics game like he did. But if he gets to play it I get to play it. This means now mater how you slice it, Zeze's rules, or Biff's, Mr. Tannen is wrong.

 

[xBiffx]

This is my last attempt.

Suppose that after every spin of the wheel, the house puts the names of the player(s) who picked the winning number up on a screen. Those names that appear on the screen are the winners.

If I place 1 chip on one square, the odds of my name appearing on the screen are 1 to 37.

If I place chips on 38 squares, the odds of my name appearing on the screen are 1 to 0.

Thus, I can change my odds of being a winner by placing more chips.

That's the bottom line. The other chips that did not accomplish putting my name on the screen are not relevant. You are a winner when the result is among your picks.

Nope, you have done it again. You cannot use odds to tell you how often you are going to win. It only tells you the ratio of winning numbers to losing numbers. Chance does tell you how often you are to win because it is the ratio of ways to win to numbers to play. Your numbers to play can change. But again you can only win so many ways and lose so many ways.

 

[xBiffx]

The odds of that ticket hitting the numbers drawn are the same. The chances of that ticket winning the pot is determined by the number of tickets sold.

FTFY

 

[Dr. Zaus]

you can only win so many ways

One way to not win the pot is to be forced to split it.
The probability of this is directly related to the number of other people who purchased loto tickets.

 

[xBiffx]

One way to not win the pot is to be forced to split it.
The probability of this is directly related to the number of other people who purchased loto tickets.

You are talking about a different event all together. Hitting your number and winning all the money are two separate events. One has nothing to do with how many tickets were sold, the other does.

You could hit the same number in either case. The only thing that changed was that someone else did. This didn't change any of your odds of hitting that number.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Hitting your number and winning all the money are two separate events.

But hitting your number and winning the money are both necessary events that formatively create a winning event.

Splitting the pot is losing half of the prize to someone else.

 

[xBiffx]

But hitting your number and winning the money, combined, is the definition of a winning event.

Splitting the pot is losing half of the prize to someone else.

If you say so. I would say winning is hitting your number, regardless of the payout.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Nope, you have done it again. You cannot use odds to tell you how often you are going to win.

That isn't what I did, dumb shit. Learn to fucking read.

Like I said in the beginning. People think you are stupid because you are stupid.

It only tells you the ratio of winning numbers to losing numbers. Chance does tell you how often you are to win because it is the ratio of ways to win to numbers to play. Your numbers to play can change. But again you can only win so many ways and lose so many ways.

I cannot lose when I play all 38 spaces. My name will be on the winners screen no matter what. That's why my odds are 1 to 0.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

If you say so. I would say winning is hitting your number, regardless of the payout.

And I say xBiffX is a jackass, so let's hear your best HEE-HAW, jackass.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

And I say xBiffX is a jackass, so let's hear your best HEE-HAW, jackass.

This.

 

[xBiffx]

That isn't what I did, dumb shit. Learn to fucking read.

Like I said in the beginning. People think you are stupid because you are stupid.


I cannot lose when I play all 38 spaces. My name will be on the winners screen no matter what. That's why my odds are 1 to 0.

But you did lose, miss, bet too many times, whatever you want to call it 37 times. So the odds played out. For every wanted event there were 37 unwanted events. Overall, yes you can say you won because your name is on the board but that is because you increased your chances of winning to 1 or 100% not because you changed the odds of the game.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

^See above post.^

 

[zinfamous]

man.

dude's sig + this thread leave me:

 

[DominionSeraph]

Splitting the pot is losing half of the prize to someone else.

But if I share ponies with someone else, we both win!

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

But you did lose, miss, bet too many times, whatever you want to call it 37 times. So the odds played out. For every wanted event there were 37 unwanted events. Overall, yes you can say you won because your name is on the board but that is because you increased your chances of winning to 1 or 100% not because you changed the odds of the game.

All I see is "HEE-HAW."

 

[Dr. Zaus]

man.

dude's sig + this thread leave me:

Clearly used to creating a world in his imagination.

It's like second life, but in real life... all it requires is a psychotic break with reality.

But if I share ponies with someone else, we both win!

This is true. I got pinky pie for my brother, but I enjoyed it too.

I guess the altruistic opportunity to give someone half of the money in the pot is a kind of winning in-and-of-itself

 

[Gargen]

So Biff... even if we do accept your definition of odds that apparently includes an "odds on smaller events can never ever Ever EVER EVER EVER be combined to create odds of a combined event" clause (like I can't estimate the "odds" of a basketball game because it's really just a collection of smaller "odds" of shots going in, or something else crazy like that)... WTF does it have to do with the post you originally quoted?

He didn't say anything about "chance" or "odds" and was clearly referring to an action that would increase his chance to win.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Nope, you have done it again. You cannot use odds to tell you how often you are going to win. It only tells you the ratio of winning numbers to losing numbers. Chance does tell you how often you are to win because it is the ratio of ways to win to numbers to play. Your numbers to play can change. But again you can only win so many ways and lose so many ways.

Gee, and I thought I was pedantic. You take the cake, man.

 

[xBiffx]

So Biff... even if we do accept your definition of odds that apparently includes an "odds on smaller events can never ever Ever EVER EVER EVER be combined to create odds of a combined event" clause (like I can't estimate the "odds" of a basketball game because it's really just a collection of smaller "odds" of shots going in, or something else crazy like that)... WTF does it have to do with the post you originally quoted?

He didn't say anything about "chance" or "odds" and was clearly referring to an action that would increase his chance to win.

I said odds, he didn't. I am not allowed to make a statement about his statement? Did I break some sort of rule by pointing something else, aside from what he mentioned, out? And from there this thing exploded into a misuse/misplacement of terms. The point is you can buy as many tickets as you want but it doesn't change the ratio of winning ways to losing ways. All you have done is given yourself that many more opportunities to try those 1 to 176 million odds. Odds are not cumulative. Its a figure based on the game and not the number of tickets. The only way to change them is to change the number of winning combinations picked (ways to win) and/or the number of numbers that make up the combination (ways to lose).

 

[Zeze]