What if China Invades Taiwan?

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lxie123

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Originally posted by: luvya


You are a mainlander, stop pretending. Btw, I advise you to read my sig 10 times a day, maybe that will bring you closer to reality

Read my sig 10 times a day too, it's just as real.
 

adelphi

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saying china won't nuke taiwan b/c of their mobo/ semi conductor capabilties is some hardcore geekspeak
(bush will go on the UN council and say "we can't let china destroy nvidia, i've gots to play me
some doomIII and my 6800 GT is still on backorder")

also consider US already nuke japan even though that meant no new super fun happy loose socks bukkake pron for a while
 

cchen

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Originally posted by: lxie123
china will take taiwan "officially" when it pleases. Even now taiwan has to endure the demands of china.. taiwan is the real pussy just like your founder Chiang Kai-Sheck. Taiwan-born Chinese people on this forum need a reality check, you always have and always will be Chinese, take a look in the mirror.

No one here said we weren't Chinese.
 

AndrewR

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Why don't you figure out what the growth rate of the Chinese economy has been over the last several years, take 3/4 of that just for grins, and come back with what that figure will be. Then look at the commitment they have to engineering and public infrastructure projects. In thirty years that will get them a great deal. I think you underestimate them. If it makes you feel good, then ignore it. The British did that. They were inherently superior, just like us. Of course they are the worlds leading superpower today, right?

I am well aware of their growth rate and their economic picture overall. I think you overestimate the progress they'll make and underestimate the problems they face in even the near future plus draw false comparisons for the US with the British EMPIRE, which in no way resembles the situation with the U.S. today. China cannot sustain its current growth rate simply by virtue of energy production/importation and raw materials (they are also starting to run a trade deficit as of this year). They are still an overall poor nation which has MUCH progress to make to match the living standards of the other industrialized powers (US, Japan, Europe).

In terms of their military, which is what the discussion was about anyway, they are nowhere near the US in any way, shape, or form. Their technology is nearly all borrowed, bought, or stolen, and they don't have the training or tactics to use what they do have. They are making the transition from a peasant army to a modern one, and equipment alone is not enough to make that momentous transition. Not only do they have to match the US military, they have to surpass it, by virtue of your previous statement. It's unlikely that Japan will sit idly by while that happens also.
 

Chadder007

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Originally posted by: Wheatmaster
hey china would be just taking back their own land I'm sick of taiwanese people always saying, no i'm not chinese, i'm taiwanese. jebus, just get over it. with the help of china, your economy can boom like crazy

Is Taiwan a communist state now?.....they certainly would be if China took it over. Boom Crazy Economy != Communist government.
 

preslove

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Originally posted by: yllus
If Taiwan was attacked, national security interests would probably necessitate an American response. Half the world's freakin' semiconductor manufacturing capability in on that island, and that includes that for a bunch of 'sensitive' equipment in the US.

:thumbsup: There's a reason we sell them top of the line naval equipment.

If China did invade, which they won't within the next 20 years because of the above reasons, Taiwan would inflict heavy damage on the Chinese before American forces from Japan and Korea came and put the smack down. The chinese military sucks monkey balls and is only menacing because of its size. Its navy and Airforce, the key components in an invasion of an ISLAND, are terrible.

Of course, with Dubya shifting our forces from Asia to Iraq the threat of a sufficient American response could seriously weaken.
 

Chadder007

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Originally posted by: DeeKnow
i can't seem to understand why the US acts like a pussy everytime it comes to China.... slap some tariffs on their imports and watch them pee their pants. they can't survive a day without exports to the US

The stupid World Trade Organization would step in....
 

AndrewR

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Of course, with Dubya shifting our forces from Asia to Iraq the threat of a sufficient American response could seriously weaken.

Quit talking out your ass. You apparently have no idea what you're talking about with regard to the force realignment so don't start blathering campaign politics out of ignorance. The realignment in Asia will strengthen American military power in the region, not "seriously weaken" it. :roll:
 

Chadder007

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Originally posted by: lxie123
china will take taiwan "officially" when it pleases. Even now taiwan has to endure the demands of china.. taiwan is the real pussy just like your founder Chiang Kai-Sheck. Taiwan-born Chinese people on this forum need a reality check, you always have and always will be Chinese, take a look in the mirror.

Racist!!!
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: GeneValgene
i wouldn't underestimate china's airforce...

they have been purchasing some russian aircraft that have been outperforming US fighters.

check out this article in CNN from Friday, June 25, 2004

U.S. warned it could lose air supremacy

This particular topic has been beaten to death more than once.
 

CrackaLackaZe

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Originally posted by: luvya


You are a mainlander, stop pretending. Btw, I advise you to read my sig 10 times a day, maybe that will bring you closer to reality

Ok...so if Tawainese ppl aren't Chinese, then why do they continue to speak Chinese? Cause I know for a fact that they do have their own language.
 

GeneValgene

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Originally posted by: CrackaLackaZe
Originally posted by: luvya


You are a mainlander, stop pretending. Btw, I advise you to read my sig 10 times a day, maybe that will bring you closer to reality

Ok...so if Tawainese ppl aren't Chinese, then why do they continue to speak Chinese? Cause I know for a fact that they do have their own language.

read this article from the washington post...it will give you a basic background.
link

when the nationalists took over taiwan, they forced everyone to speak chinese. local dialects were banned in schools...my cousin said the teachers would beat him with a stick whenever he spoke taiwanese during class.
 

CrackaLackaZe

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From the article:

The island became divided between the majority people who trace their ancestry to the early Chinese settlers (today about 70 percent of the population) and the minority whose families arrived in the 1940s (about 15 percent). Ethnic Hakka and aboriginal groups make up the rest.

But yet they dont claim that they're Chinese at all?
 

MadPeriot

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Originally posted by: Amused
My curiosity has been peaked with Taiwan's latest military exercises and the fact that China "demanded" that Taiwan be called "Chinese Taipei" in the Olympics. Why they caved, I do not know.

So what if China invaded Taiwan? Would you support the US defending Taiwan? What should the world do? The UN?



No flaming, please. Just post your point of view and see what others say their point of view is.

I didn't even know Taiwan had a Olympic team?!
 

amoeba

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Originally posted by: DeeKnow
i can't seem to understand why the US acts like a pussy everytime it comes to China.... slap some tariffs on their imports and watch them pee their pants. they can't survive a day without exports to the US


maybe its because the US realizes that they will pee even more without Chinese imports. Or perhaps the US heavy investment in chinese industry will go down the tube. Import tariffs on China hurts US more than China.
 

GiLtY

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Originally posted by: Wheatmaster
hey china would be just taking back their own land I'm sick of taiwanese people always saying, no i'm not chinese, i'm taiwanese. jebus, just get over it. with the help of china, your economy can boom like crazy

For the record, China did give up Taiwan in war time, so they do not have any "ownership" over Taiwan anymore.

--GiLtY
 

gutharius

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Originally posted by: AndrewR
It's unlikely that Japan will sit idly by while that happens also.

Japan's Constitution forbids offensive action. This was a condition of the World War II armistace. Because of this Japan will not be intervening on any front as far as I am concerned. Any suggestion is foolish and short minded.

As to whether the US will intervene... Think about this... Everytime the US government overspends where do you think they get the money from??? Or rather, WHO do you think they get the money from??? They get the money from the Japanese and the Chinese buying and financing US government bonds i.e. debt.

So, since the Bushies in the White House have been driving our government into debt guess WHO has been buying up all our debt and financing our ailing economy... You guessed it! In large part the Chinese have been providing the money for our military, social programs, and day to day government operations by loaning money to our US government to cover our short falls, debts, and deficits.

So when ever you see on the news there is a deficit in the budget or they are talking about debt just remember:

This is the reason our Government is powerless to take affirmative diplomatic or militaristic action against North Korea to deter their nuclear weapons program.

This is the reason Taiwan is not able to declare independence because we don't want daddy China money bags coming over and saying "We OWN YOU now STOP military intervention or we kill your economy and your puny nation with it!"

This is the reason we cannot force China to stop illegal trade practices which give our nation and our people a HUGE disadvantage when it comes to being competitive in the world wide labor market.

This is the reason chinese labor is so cheap, because of the Chinese goverment is keeping their exchange rates with US dollars low making things in China artificiially cheaper, and why the chinese people are forced to live on so little.


For all you who think we could win militarily, I can see it happening but not without the United States being ruined financially, economically, and having millions of our sons and daughters sent to their deaths. Cause I can tell you this, it wont stop at Taiwan, we will have to take the WHOLE OF CHINA before this issue is to be resolved by going to war. If you think Iraq is a mess, China would be hell on earth to rebuild after a full scale war.

You also have to think about alliances:
Russia, will side with China because of their close relations from their common Communist history and good relations from years past. Need I remind you Russia is lead by a former Communist advocate who, based on recent Russian elections, will stoop to any low to keep his grasp on power. There goes our cheaper Russian oil. You can forget about Arab oil by the way, we invaded Iraq remember? We humiliated the Arabs at Al Ghraib Prison, in a way which will never easily be forgotten, if you think they are going to help us by covering for the loss of Russian oil I would think again.

France and Germany see us as an overbearing disgrace to international cooperation and the fight for peace. This same disgrace has been brought on to Britian because of their involvment with the invasion of Iraq. Remember the phrase: "Burn me once shame on you, Burn me twice shame on me!" So, can we count on their support? MAYBE, and only maybe because of our current strained relations. I do realize there is such a thing as NATO but even then all NATO nations must vote and agree to go to war. Taiwan is not a member of NATO, Taiwan is a US concern not DIRECTLY affecting NATO. From NATO's perspective this would not be their issue.

I have heard talk of the UN. As far as I am concerned the UN is about as effective at stopping a war as taking the welcome mat away from your front door to stop people from coming into or visiting your house. I cite Sudan and our own invasion of Iraq as proof of this.

So there you have it my perspective.
 

K1052

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This is the reason Taiwan is not able to declare independence because we don't want daddy China money bags coming over and saying "We OWN YOU now STOP military intervention or we kill your economy and your puny nation with it!"

That is about the biggest load of crap I have ever heard. Do you seriously think the US government would allow itself to be blackmailed in such a way?

Cutting trade with the US would be tantamount to China cutting its own neck economically.
 

gutharius

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Originally posted by: K1052
This is the reason Taiwan is not able to declare independence because we don't want daddy China money bags coming over and saying "We OWN YOU now STOP military intervention or we kill your economy and your puny nation with it!"

That is about the biggest load of crap I have ever heard. Do you seriously think the US government would allow itself to be blackmailed in such a way?

Cutting trade with the US would be tantamount to China cutting its own neck economically.

Blackmailed? I am iffy on that, only because we have been really reluctant to take on China on key issues.

As far as blackmail because of its debt, I don't think the US has a choice, the US government does not get to decide who buys which bond and how much they are worth. They goto the highest bidder.

China cutting its throat? I think a larger amount of pain would be felt by the US economy when the US consumer sees the prices for everyday things shoot through the roof and then stops buys because they cannot afford it. From there it is economic recession and then maybe depression.

It is easy to see, as I stated, when it all boils to to the nuts and bolts of it all there are a lot of finanicial strings to be cut and alot of damage would be done on both sides just on the financial front alone.

Ultimately, it is all about leverage. And frankly as far as I am concerned the crowbar is up our a$$ prying away.
 

prontospyder

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Originally posted by: MadPeriot
Originally posted by: Amused
My curiosity has been peaked with Taiwan's latest military exercises and the fact that China "demanded" that Taiwan be called "Chinese Taipei" in the Olympics. Why they caved, I do not know.

So what if China invaded Taiwan? Would you support the US defending Taiwan? What should the world do? The UN?



No flaming, please. Just post your point of view and see what others say their point of view is.

I didn't even know Taiwan had a Olympic team?!

Yeah, and when Taiwan tried raise awareness for their Olympic team in Athens through ads, China forced Greece to take them down.
 

cchen

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Originally posted by: CrackaLackaZe
Originally posted by: luvya


You are a mainlander, stop pretending. Btw, I advise you to read my sig 10 times a day, maybe that will bring you closer to reality

Ok...so if Tawainese ppl aren't Chinese, then why do they continue to speak Chinese? Cause I know for a fact that they do have their own language.

First of all, people from Taiwan who say they aren't Chinese are full of it. I consider myself Taiwanese and Chinese, just as an american born chinese would be both American and Chinese.

Anyway, if you go to Taiwan now, a vast majority of people speak Taiwanese now, not only in the south, but in the cities as well.
 
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