What if China Invades Taiwan?

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gourmettea

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Of course the US would defend Taiwan. Think about it. In the modern world the ONLY country capable of challenging the US's world supremecy is China. The only country that could put up a fight would be China. Now why do we have bases in Japan and Korea? Why would US give up another place where they could deploy troops in Asia? Do you think our troops in Japan are there to watch the Japanese? I don't think so. They're there just in case of WWIII we would have quick strike capabilities towards China.

and for the people that's gonna say our troops in Korea is to Defend South K from North K....North K = commie chinese that eat kim chee...
 

AndrewR

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Originally posted by: gutharius
Originally posted by: AndrewR
It's unlikely that Japan will sit idly by while that happens also.

Japan's Constitution forbids offensive action. This was a condition of the World War II armistace. Because of this Japan will not be intervening on any front as far as I am concerned. Any suggestion is foolish and short minded.

Japan's Constitution technically forbids any military whatsoever, but a reinterpretation allowed them to create their self-defense forces. Are you familiar with Japanese domestic politics currently? I live here and follow them -- the debate over Japanese OFFENSIVE military capability is far from being settled, particularly after North Korea fired a missile over Japan in 1998. The foolish and "short minded" [sic] is the one who speaks from ignorance.

As to whether the US will intervene... Think about this... Everytime the US government overspends where do you think they get the money from??? Or rather, WHO do you think they get the money from??? They get the money from the Japanese and the Chinese buying and financing US government bonds i.e. debt.

BS. The majority of US government debt is in the hands of Americans, not foreigners. The reason why there are always buyers for T-bills is that they are among the safest investments in the world. There's no world conspiracy to "own" the US government.

So, since the Bushies in the White House have been driving our government into debt guess WHO has been buying up all our debt and financing our ailing economy... You guessed it! In large part the Chinese have been providing the money for our military, social programs, and day to day government operations by loaning money to our US government to cover our short falls, debts, and deficits.

The US government has ALWAYS been in debt, except for a brief period in the 19th century, I believe it was. I won't bother going into a fiscal discourse to dispute your other points because it's likely a waste of effort anyway.

So when ever you see on the news there is a deficit in the budget or they are talking about debt just remember:

This is the reason our Government is powerless to take affirmative diplomatic or militaristic action against North Korea to deter their nuclear weapons program.

"Affirmative diplomatic action" -- now, THAT'S a hilarious statement if I've ever seen one. What does that mean? A STRONGLY worded demarche? As for "militaristic" action, the US cannot launch any definitive action against North Korea without the full consent of South Korea. Did you notice that KOREA is competing at the Olympics?

This is the reason Taiwan is not able to declare independence because we don't want daddy China money bags coming over and saying "We OWN YOU now STOP military intervention or we kill your economy and your puny nation with it!"

If China invades Taiwan, they kill their own economy. Taiwan businessmen OWN Chinese high tech industry -- it's a symbiotic relationship. THAT'S the biggest deterrent to an invasion. The public statements of the US President merely add to the equation in favor of the status quo.

This is the reason we cannot force China to stop illegal trade practices which give our nation and our people a HUGE disadvantage when it comes to being competitive in the world wide labor market.

No, it's because we have our own little dirty tricks in international trade and can't throw too many stones. Ask the Europeans.

...For all you who think we could win militarily, I can see it happening but not without the United States being ruined financially, economically, and having millions of our sons and daughters sent to their deaths. Cause I can tell you this, it wont stop at Taiwan, we will have to take the WHOLE OF CHINA before this issue is to be resolved by going to war. If you think Iraq is a mess, China would be hell on earth to rebuild after a full scale war.

The US doesn't have to invade and occupy China to stop aggression against Taiwan. No boats, no invasion. Quite simple.

You also have to think about alliances:
Russia, will side with China because of their close relations...

Those close relations like the border war they fought years ago? Those close relations which keep Russian troops near the Chinese border? You need to learn some history. Sino-Russian "closeness" was a farce at best.

France and Germany...[and stuff about NATO]

Who cares about Europe? Germans can barely muster a brigade for Afghanistan, and the French aren't part of NATO's military command structure. It would be more appropriate to talk about the EU than NATO in this instance. Regardless, pointless in the context of US involvement in the defense of Taiwan.

I have heard talk of the UN. As far as I am concerned the UN is about as effective at stopping a war as taking the welcome mat away from your front door to stop people from coming into or visiting your house. I cite Sudan and our own invasion of Iraq as proof of this.

We agree on something. Scary.

So there you have it my perspective.

And my unsolicited comments.
 

mdrollas

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I have read an article somewhere says that it would be 3 days or less to take over Taiwan by force.
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: mdrollas
I have read an article somewhere says that it would be 3 days or less to take over Taiwan by force.

Then it must be true.
 

Brule

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Taiwan still remains the single greatest threat of WW3 breaking out. But just like the cold war, I think the US and China will not take active military action, but instead will continue to fight with words and UN votes.

Russia and China are not buddies, in fact Russia would be in better shape if China was defeated. (no border issues) China would need to use nukes as the US still holds the power in the Navy and air, even if it isn't as dominate as before. Would the Chinese people accept their government risking all out war with the U.S., and the rest of the UN force as well? (although mostly impotent, the UN would be behind Taiwan and hopefully would honor their treaties) Hopefully Japan will change their government to allow for a larger military force. If the world hates the US they don't hate Japan, which has the power and influence to prevent further war in their region.
 

LongCoolMother

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Originally posted by: lxie123
china will take taiwan "officially" when it pleases. Even now taiwan has to endure the demands of china.. taiwan is the real pussy just like your founder Chiang Kai-Sheck. Taiwan-born Chinese people on this forum need a reality check, you always have and always will be Chinese, take a look in the mirror.

the taiwanese hate chiang kaishehk and the kuomindang anyway. some even hate sun yatsen. why do you think they keep on discriminating against "mainlanders"? one thing most people should understand is that taiwanese constantly hate and rally against the mainlanders, far more than against chinese people on the mainland. don't believe me? observe how many "mainlander" insults have been thrown in the thread.

now you see there are 4 major sides in this conflict:

-the chinese (on the mainland) who want to reunite with taiwan.
-the taiwanese who are pushing for independence
-the "mainlanders" who are mostly KMT people that moved to the island after the communist take-over. the taiwanese mostly hate them (dont believe me? just ask) who want to eventually reuinite with the mainland.
-americans, who want to keep the status-quo.
 

edmundoab

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Originally posted by: Amused
My curiosity has been peaked with Taiwan's latest military exercises and the fact that China "demanded" that Taiwan be called "Chinese Taipei" in the Olympics. Why they caved, I do not know.

So what if China invaded Taiwan? Would you support the US defending Taiwan? What should the world do? The UN?



No flaming, please. Just post your point of view and see what others say their point of view is.

Then china will have less population, same goes to Taiwan.
China will benefit more as they do not have to control their population increase rate as tightly as before.
 

IEC

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Originally posted by: cchen
If China invaded Taiwan, and no one helped Taiwan, it'd be over for Taiwan. We'd only be able to defend ourselves for a few days, according to the latest news about the military simulations.

China would not nuke Taiwan - that isn't their point. They don't want to destroy it - they just want the Taiwanese people to admit that they've always been a part of China, and killing them all isn't gonna accomplish anything for them. They'd be reprimanded throughout the world and would also lose the economic value Taiwan has.

I most definitely support the US defending Taiwan.... hell I'd even join the military if it meant that I could help Taiwan.

Taiwan doesn't have many allies in the world, so pretty much the US is its only hope...


If it makes any difference... I would help (I'm South Korean by the way, but have several Taiwanese friends)
 

Prfstrkr

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How about US teams up w/ China to invade Taiwan?

Then we can get the mobo technology in our control, and let the happy chinese do the labor work. The cheaper labor then results in a cheaper price. What a plan! :beer:
 

Spencer278

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If China invade SK at the same time as taiwan I think they could succifully take taiwan even if with US intervention. The second front would play to china population advantage and it would be more difficuilt for US to get Air supporoity over SK because china would have more air base near by. Also we would be unable to supply main ground forces to defend off the invasion of taiwan.
 

tk149

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Did someone mention made-in-China motherboards?

Seriously, this is a complicated topic (duh). But here are some basic questions at the heart of the matter.

Does the PRC believe it stands to gain or lose money by invading Taiwan?
Does the PRC believe it stands to gain or lose political power by invading Taiwan?

If the PRC invades, does the U.S. believe it stands to gain or lose money by defending Taiwan?
If the PRC invades, does the U.S. believe it stands to gain or lose political power by defending Taiwan?
 

esun

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: DaWhim<BR>it is not gonna happen. maybe only within your fantasy.<BR><BR>with 60 billions trading with US, china won't do that.
<BR><BR>Ummm, tensions between the two have been VERY high. China has been making some very real threats.

While it is true that China has claimed it will invade if Taiwan even formally declares independence, I think most people are quite convinced this will not happen. China may be thuggish in this issue, but it isn't stupid. Taiwan does have the backing of the US, and China does not want to have to deal with that. However, Taiwan probably doesn't want to even deal with the possibility of invasion. The way they have it set up right now is stable enough so that neither will make the first move. If that changes then we could have issues.
 
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