What if Jared Loughner were a Muslim? -CNN editorial

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New York City (CNN) -- When the news first broke that Rep. Gabrielle Giffords had been shot at a political event, all Americans were united in our response of shock and outrage.

Shortly afterward, the media reported that a 22-year-old male had been arrested in the shooting. His name had not yet been released. I believe your reaction to that piece of news depended greatly on your status in American society -- namely, whether you're a Muslim.

If you are a typical white person, I would imagine your initial response was relief the suspect was caught, and an attempt to make sense of why he committed this horrible crime.

But if you are Muslim or of Arab heritage, your reaction to the news of the arrest was likely: "Please don't let him be Arab ... please don't let him be Muslim." Believe me, that was my reaction.

This reaction in not unique to American Arabs and Muslims -- most minorities in America have a similar response when a horrific crime has been committed and the identity of the suspect is still unknown.

We desperately don't want the person to be one of "us," for fear that our entire minority group will suffer a backlash.

I doubt any white people hope a suspect isn't one of them -- it's just not relevant. They don't suffer as a group because of the actions of a few bad white people such as Timothy McVeigh or Eric Rudolph.

Americans are trying to figure out why someone committed this heinous act. Was it because he was ostracized by society, or because his parents didn't hug him enough?

But let's be brutally honest. If the suspect's name wasn't Jared but was Jamil or Mahmud instead, America's reaction might have been different. What if a Muslim-American had made anti-government statements and shot a U.S. congresswoman at a political event?

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton earlier this week called the suspect Jared Loughner an "extremist" -- but not a terrorist. Would Clinton and others be so hesitant to apply the terrorist label to an American Muslim or Arab-American?

By the way, what is Loughner's religion? It's not part of the news coverage, but we certainly know he isn't Muslim. If he were, the media, elected officials and law enforcement would be discussing that issue extensively. When a terrible crime in America is committed by a non-Muslim, the suspect's religion is simply not relevant.

In contrast, after Nidal Hasan, a Muslim-American, committed the despicable Fort Hood shootings, many called for him to be labeled a terrorist, including Rep. Peter King, R-New York.

Indeed, in King's op-ed in December 2010, he labeled Hasan a "home-grown terrorist" and a big part of the reason his Homeland Security Committee will investigate "the radicalization of Muslims in America." It's unknown whether King has any interest in investigating non-Muslim threats to America, such as the ones that led to the attack on Giffords. Yes, I know Nidal yelled "Allah Akbar" at the time of the shooting, but does that mean he had a political agenda or was he just a delusional, sick person no different from Jared? When you compare the psychological profiles the media has painted of both, they are very similar: "Outsiders," "troubled," "loner." Even their photos share the same crazed look in their eyes, but because one American is Muslim and the other isn't, the presumption of terrorism differs.

Why can't a Muslim-American be considered a crazed lone gunman? I'm not a psychiatrist, but I doubt mental illness distinguishes between religions.

And why is that every time a white American commits a horrible act -- be it flying a plane into an IRS building or attacking a Muslim cab driver in New York City because he is opposed the proposed Islamic cultural center near ground zero -- the presumption is that he is not a terrorist, just a poor delusional guy who has lost his mind.

My point is not to divide us as a nation any further -- we are polarized enough by angry politics, race and, sadly, religion. But as we look for ways to heal our nation, which desperately needs it, applying the same standards to all Americans would be a great step.

If a Muslim-American is a terrorist under U.S. law, I have no problem applying that label, if the same goes for a non-Muslim.

As our Declaration of Independence famously states: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal ..." and I believe they should be treated that way as well.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/01/13/obeidallah.loughner.muslims/
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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Loughlin is an atheist so it's unlikely that his religion had anything to do with the murders.
 

Brigandier

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How about labeling everything as "terrorism" is a stupid, fear based way of looking at the world?
 

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All the liberals were thinking "please let him be a right-winger, oh please please pretty please let him be a teabagger"
 

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Honestly I thought this feeble opinion would be brought up by one of our resident apologists earlier.

When terrorism is done explicitly in the name of Islam over and over, it's fair to question Islam. No matter how much routan and his ilk claim the terrorists are not Muslim, they are clearly religiously and culturally Muslim and moreover they are acting intentionally in the name of Islam.

Here, Loughner is truly a lone gunman. What is his philosophy? What is his movement? He has none. 101mpg is right. People have been desperately trying to make him look like a teabagger, but there's nothing yet to suggest he was was.

Also, I've heard people try to claim the Muslims behind 9/11 were just crazy. Well with this guy you can really tell he's crazy. He wouldn't have been able to complete flight school (his community college booted him). He wouldn't have been able to interact with co-conspirators the way the 9/11 team did (his friends abandoned him).
 

JD50

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If he was a Muslim the left would've been sure to point out that he was just a lone crazy guy and that we shouldn't blame all Muslims for his actions.
 

Steeplerot

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Typical American yahoo mindset:

Right wing/anti-gov violence = lone madman (how tragic)

Brown/dark skinned person being violent or the evil Lefty vegan who pees on chicken coops = Terrorist (nail their asses to the wall)

You don't even need to break it down to religion.

Stick that in your pc pipe and smoke it.
 
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Elias824

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Typical American yahoo mindset:

Right wing/anti-gov violence = lone madman (how tragic)

Brown/dark skinned person being violent or the evil Lefty vegan who pees on chicken coops = Terrorist (nail their asses to the wall)

You don't even need to break it down to religion.

Stick that in your pc pipe and smoke it.

What is your definition of terrorism? do you think its a term worth using? Why would you consider the lone madman a terrorism and not the lefty vegan?
 

Steeplerot

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What is your definition of terrorism? do you think its a term worth using? Why would you consider the lone madman a terrorism and not the lefty vegan?

Just pointing out that the use or not of the word is as politically charged as the term itself.
 

Patranus

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The "progressives" would have said "lets not rush to judgement" like they did with the army base shooting instead of trying to railroad Sarah Palin.
 

Karl Agathon

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If he was a Muslim the left would've been sure to point out that he was just a lone crazy guy and that we shouldn't blame all Muslims for his actions.

Unfortunately I tend to agree. Almost right after the FT Hood shooting quite a few folks on the progressive side of the spectrum went out of their way to make sure the public didnt jump the gun and rush to judgement. That we shouldnt judge him because he just happened to be of the islamic faith. Yet, it almost seems to be just the opposite in this situation.
 

manimal

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what is rainbows actually had pots of gold?



what if hitler was a cross dresser?


what if Katrina happened in San Diego?
 

Jaskalas

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All the liberals were thinking "please let him be a right-winger, oh please please pretty please let him be a teabagger"

They went far FAR beyond that. They freaking pronounced it before any evidence what so ever.

 
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Karl Agathon

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Thats interesting, considering that some of the people that new the shooter said he didnt watch the news and didnt listen to talk radio.
 

Steeplerot

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They went far FAR beyond that. They freaking pronounced it before any evidence what so ever.




Europe remembers the last time hate radio took to the airwaves and have less tolerance for that kind of bullshit nowadays. Rwanda is still fresh in peoples minds also seeing as vitriolic divisive radio fueled a genocide recently in a former colony -just sayin :wub:
 
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Lanyap

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If he were muslim then the Right would be attacking and the Left would be defending.
 

matt0611

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Thats interesting, considering that some of the people that new the shooter said he didnt watch the news and didnt listen to talk radio.

Yup, and he was registered as an independent, and didn't vote in the last election (IIRC).

Even if he did listen to talk radio, who cares? The guy was mentally unstable, is everyone now responsible for how the craziest person in society might interpret their words?
 
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