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Ruptga

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What if I told you that your existence as a discrete individual is meaningless? Individual labels exist only for our convenience; there is no way to tell the difference between an oxygen atom in the air, an oxygen atom in your breath, and an oxygen atom in your DNA, except by their location. We are all one in existence, as existence.
 

Slew Foot

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What if when you do push ups, instead of pushing yourself off the ground, you actually push the earth away from you?
 

HN

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What if everyone saw things differently? Such my perception of Red was different than yours? We'd never know.

of course we would know. or could easily find out.

put down a swatch, we each write down the color we see, and if our answers match (regardless of what the actual color is), then we'd know our perception is the same.
 

Ruptga

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of course we would know. or could easily find out.

put down a swatch, we each write down the color we see, and if our answers match (regardless of what the actual color is), then we'd know our perception is the same.

Not sure if srs.

There is no way to know if what I perceive as red is exactly what you perceive as red. Perhaps you see red as green, but you call green red because that is the name you were taught for it. Perhaps this is why some people are fashion-blind.
 

Broheim

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Not sure if srs.

There is no way to know if what I perceive as red is exactly what you perceive as red. Perhaps you see red as green, but you call green red because that is the name you were taught for it. Perhaps this is why some people are fashion-blind.

this shit kept me up all night as a child, there's absolutely no way to describe a color without using associations.
 

surfsatwerk

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this shit kept me up all night as a child, there's absolutely no way to describe a color without using associations.

Colors generally tend to create similar emotional responses in people. Why else is yellow considered "warm". So it is not unreasonable to assume most of us perceive colors the same way.
 

HN

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Not sure if srs.

There is no way to know if what I perceive as red is exactly what you perceive as red. Perhaps you see red as green, but you call green red because that is the name you were taught for it. Perhaps this is why some people are fashion-blind.

actually was srs but i see(?) what you mean.

now, those people who perceive color as something entirely different, like as a sound...that facinates and boggles my mind.
 

Broheim

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Colors generally tend to create similar emotional responses in people. Why else is yellow considered "warm". So it is not unreasonable to assume most of us perceive colors the same way.

socialization could explain that, there just isn't any way to be sure.
 

SMOGZINN

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Not sure if srs.

There is no way to know if what I perceive as red is exactly what you perceive as red. Perhaps you see red as green, but you call green red because that is the name you were taught for it. Perhaps this is why some people are fashion-blind.

You have to understand that 'perception of red' in the way you are wanting to think of it is not real. The only exterior value of Red is as a narrow band of wave lengths. Our eyes are sensitive to those wave lengths in a known manner. Nearly everyone's eyes send a 'Red' signal in the same way to the same part of the brain.

But the brain must interprets that signal. You have to teach children colors. Until we build an association with that signal there is no way to interpret it. Until then there is no such thing as 'Red'. The 'Red' you see is really just a amalgamation of associations that have built up through out your life. It would be nearly impossible for two people to have the same set of associations for 'Red'. Therefore none of us see the same 'Red' as anyone else.
 

OverVolt

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What if we're all just in an electromagnetic plane of existence and everything you perceive as touch is just the repulsion of negatively charged electron clouds.
 

Ruptga

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You have to understand that 'perception of red' in the way you are wanting to think of it is not real. The only exterior value of Red is as a narrow band of wave lengths. Our eyes are sensitive to those wave lengths in a known manner. Nearly everyone's eyes send a 'Red' signal in the same way to the same part of the brain.

But the brain must interprets that signal. You have to teach children colors. Until we build an association with that signal there is no way to interpret it. Until then there is no such thing as 'Red'. The 'Red' you see is really just a amalgamation of associations that have built up through out your life. It would be nearly impossible for two people to have the same set of associations for 'Red'. Therefore none of us see the same 'Red' as anyone else.

Exactly so.
 

Jeff7

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So if we build a bridge's support columns out of stacked rocks, are they permanently stressed from being packed so close together?


Or are they permanently horny, having been man-handled, slathered with all that gooey rock dust slurry, packed and stacked up tight against each other?





Not sure if srs.

There is no way to know if what I perceive as red is exactly what you perceive as red. Perhaps you see red as green, but you call green red because that is the name you were taught for it. Perhaps this is why some people are fashion-blind.
Except if we're all calibrated the same as kids, does it really make a difference?

You see 650nm as one thing, I see it differently, someone else sees something different.
But we were all calibrated to know that 650nm is quite thoroughly red.

You could say the same about shapes. Rectangle? Maybe it looks all kinds of wacky to someone, but as long as they've been calibrated (taught, whatever) to know what "rectangle" is, then it doesn't make much difference.
A machine I work with uses a vision system to determine if it can see a fiducial in order to determine the location of a workpiece. It also "knows" what a rectangle should look like. (Sometimes it does take a few liberties with basic geometry though.)
 
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Ruptga

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Honestly, it makes no practical difference but it's still technically true and it makes for some fun thought experiments. It's also helpful to keep relativity of perspective in mind when trying to figure out why someone does what they do, so to that extent it is practical.
 
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