What if there was an armed uprising in USA?

[TerryMathews]

Actually, some our planning for the government to implement martial law and think they will have to fight them. Thats about as anti government you can get.


When you hear a gun advocate say, If you want to take my gun youll have to pry it out of my cold dead hands, there should be a cause for concern over their mental instability.

Only if you believe it's right and proper for the government to have the right to take his or her guns.

 

[exdeath]

When you hear a gun advocate say, If you want to take my gun youll have to pry it out of my cold dead hands, there should be a cause for concern over their mental instability.

Limp dick Obama isn't the only one who can draw red lines.

 

[Smoblikat]

I do not "buy" into anything.

Young people today are more worried about their smart phone than the state of the nation.

Untrue, I am 19 and very much interested in whats happening to me/my country.

I dont even own a smart phone, I have a 5+ year old flip phone with a dead screen!

As for an uprising, I dont think its possible yet. We are at the "divide and conquer" stage right now, where everyone from both sides is trying to push their agendas politically and discretely. I do think that there will be a time where the anxiety and frustration will hit critical mass, and we will see small pockets of rebellion.

For example, I live in NH, and in our state constitution we have the "right to revolution", which basically says "Come and take us down, if you can". I dont foresee anyone actually using that clause, as NH has so far been a very free state (relative to the socialism and insanity that goes on over in MA) but it still is there should we ever need to overthrow the government of our state.

 

[trenchfoot]

In our country, we have, in order of influence, many many little despots creating tiny little feifdoms of their own, which in turn have layers of higher authority who demand loyalty and taxes (bribes) from said despots, who in turn have to pledge allegiance to a still higher authority and on and on and on.

What's so unique about our society though is that we have these fabulously rich financiers and globalist interests that intercede with great influence (and who reap the resultant magnificent profits that follow) how all those little/big feifdoms with their castles big and small reign over their commoners.

This system of governance, from the very top to the very bottom of the royal barrel, has been set up to extract the maximum amount of taxes and other liens out of the peasants they own from before the day they are born till way after they die.

Usurping this carefully laid out and totally "legal" method of asset and resource extraction that has taken over 200 years to establish is to me, insurmountable in the sense that the vast majority of these indentured peasants have been pacified and controlled through the careful manipulation of religion, financial obligation and patriotic fervor. Imagine that: having to be loyal and subservient to those that wish to wring every penny these lowly peasants earn/will earn in their lifetime.

So we have all these layers of despots (extractors) going up to the very top, of which they sit in royal splendor befitting their varying degree of wealth, each and every one looking to raise their stature notch by notch by hook or crook and all at the expense of sending canon fodder to their measly demise.

An impossible nut to crack I say.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Actually, some our planning for the government to implement martial law and think they will have to fight them. Thats about as anti government you can get.


When you hear a gun advocate say, If you want to take my gun youll have to pry it out of my cold dead hands, there should be a cause for concern over their mental instability.

I look at it more as a self-fulfilling prophecy really. :awe:

 

[CptDanko]

This is what I have been saying since Syria began, if citizens in the US started shooting RPGs at the military there would be even more blood shed of innocents then in Syria.

 

[exdeath]

This is what I have been saying since Syria began, if citizens in the US started shooting RPGs at the military there would be even more blood shed of innocents then in Syria.

How so? Everyone here would be equally armed and will shoot back, not scatter and throw rocks at riot shields after the first smoke grenade.

 

[CptDanko]

How so? Everyone here would be equally armed and will shoot back, not scatter and throw rocks at riot shields after the first smoke grenade.

^^^ NRA lunatic alert!!!


In fact you pointing out that "everyone would shoot back" would just make things worst and indeed make Syria look like a fairytale compared to a supposed American uprising. Its ok Chuck Noris, im sure you and your semi auto or hunting rifle and your hunting buddies are a match for soldiers with Kevlar, better guns then you, tanks, APCs, and choppers.!!!

 

[exdeath]

^^^ NRA lunatic alert!!!


In fact you pointing out that "everyone would shoot back" would just make things worst and indeed make Syria look like a fairytale compared to a supposed American uprising. Its ok Chuck Noris, im sure you and your semi auto or hunting rifle and your hunting buddies are a match for soldiers with Kevlar, better guns then you, tanks, APCs, and choppers.!!!

Kevlar won't stop a 300 win mag.

But civilian level IIIA will stop a 5.56mm.

What was that about better guns?

It would be a blood bath on both sides, not a one sided monopoly on force. That's the whole point. It would not be a clean sweep with "authorities" forcing civilians "back into their hole" like we saw in Iran, etc.

The ones in riot shields and APCs would suffer just as many losses and be scattered and demoralized, it would not be like those middle east nations with barefoot civilians throwing rocks and being gunned down without recourse. Why do you think that faction works so hard to ban "assault weapons"? They don't want citizens to be on equal footing, they want to be able to bitch slap them. It doesn't work that way in the states.

And you assume law enforcement and military won't defect in large numbers.

I remind you of the statements of sheriffs departments all across the nation in defiance of new gun bans this year. There was what like 200 sheriffs departments that basically told the feds fuck you, no gun bans and we will arrest feds who try. I've never seen the states and feds at such odds against each other over one issue.

The tension over the gun grab rhetoric last December was a dead ringer: a gun grab WILL be the catalyst and last straw if there is ever to be a civil war or revolution here. Its actually what started the first American revolution.

 

[CptDanko]

Kevlar won't stop a 300 win mag.

But civilian level IIIA will stop a 5.56mm.

What was that about better guns?

It would be a blood bath on both sides, not a one sided monopoly on force. That's the whole point. It would not be a clean sweep with "authorities" forcing civilians "back into their hole" like we saw in Iran, etc.

The ones in riot shields and APCs would suffer just as many losses and be scattered and demoralized, it would not be like those middle east nations with barefoot civilians throwing rocks and being gunned down without recourse.

And you assume law enforcement and military won't defect in large numbers.

I remind you of the statements of sheriffs departments all across the nation in defiance of new gun bans this year. There was what like 200 sheriffs departments that basically told the feds fuck you, no gun bans and we will arrest feds who try.

The tension over the gun grab rhetoric last December was a dead ringer: a gun grab WILL be the catalyst and last straw if there is ever to be a civil war or revolution here. Its actually what started the first American revolution.

LOL at your delusion.
Yes the civilian population can take on the entire military....
Yet the moment someone mentions ruskies, the ohh so powerfull US military would pwn them. Yet 4 sister fucking hicks can pwn the US military. You guys are a joke.

 

[soundforbjt]

Kevlar won't stop a 300 win mag.

But civilian level IIIA will stop a 5.56mm.

What was that about better guns?

It would be a blood bath on both sides, not a one sided monopoly on force. That's the whole point. It would not be a clean sweep with "authorities" forcing civilians "back into their hole" like we saw in Iran, etc.

The ones in riot shields and APCs would suffer just as many losses and be scattered and demoralized, it would not be like those middle east nations with barefoot civilians throwing rocks and being gunned down without recourse.

And you assume law enforcement and military won't defect in large numbers.

I remind you of the statements of sheriffs departments all across the nation in defiance of new gun bans this year. There was what like 200 sheriffs departments that basically told the feds fuck you, no gun bans and we will arrest feds who try.

The tension over the gun grab rhetoric last December was a dead ringer: a gun grab WILL be the catalyst and last straw if there is ever to be a civil war or revolution here. Its actually what started the first American revolution.

Out of over 3,000 sheriff departments, less than 10%.

 

[exdeath]

LOL at your delusion.
Yes the civilian population can take on the entire military....
Yet the moment someone mentions ruskies, the ohh so powerfull US military would pwn them. Yet 4 sister fucking hicks can pwn the US military. You guys are a joke.

The civilian population is the US military jack ass.

What's worse, my so called "delusions" in a thread that stated in the topic that this is a purely hypothetical scenario in the first place or you beating off to the belief that citizens should be powerless and easily crushed?

 

[z1ggy]

Armed revolution will never happen here. Government (if/when) takes our rights...It'll be slowly. You aren't going to wake up one day to a police state. It will happen over the course of decades and by the time it's in full effect, we won't even really know it.

As long as Americans can maintain their (relatively, compared to the rest of the world) cushy lifestyle, there will never be any type of armed revolution or revolts, regardless if our guns/rights/freedoms get taken away or modified.

 

[NTMBK]

The civilian population is the US military jack ass.

Really? Where do you find enough room to park your aircraft carriers? :hmm:

 

[CptDanko]

The civilian population is the US military jack ass.

What's worse, my so called "delusions" in a thread that stated in the topic that this is a purely hypothetical scenario in the first place or you beating off to the belief that citizens should be powerless and easily crushed?

ROFLMFAO that's all im gonna say

Really? Where do you find enough room to park your aircraft carriers? :hmm:

Next to their NRA camping grounds in between the matress they screw their sister in.

 

[exdeath]

Out of over 3,000 sheriff departments, less than 10%.

That were publicly vocal about it.

 

[unokitty]

... some armed conflict between citizens and police, and that it somehow sparked an armed movement to overthrow the government.
...

Just a minor point. Wouldn't it be more correct to ask, "what if there is another armed conflict like the one in 1776?"

Of course, then there also was what my friends from South Carolina call the War of Northern Aggression (1861.)

More recently, Washington and Colorado have split from the Federal Government and their War on Drugs. Though, so far, that has been mostly nonviolent.

And since President Obama has called upon Israel to Give Back the land they seized, wouldn't it be consistent for the US to give Texas back to Mexico.

Then again, in historical terms, nation-states are fairly recent inventions. No one knows how long they will last.

In recent years, the nation state's claim to absolute sovereignty within its borders has been much criticized.[10] A global political system based on international agreements and supra-national blocs characterized the post-war era. Non-state actors, such as international corporations and non-governmental organizations, are widely seen as eroding the economic and political power of nation states, potentially leading to their eventual disappearance.

Viva Tejas!
Uno

 

[NTMBK]

You know what would be an even more amazing thing than yet another bloody civil war? If the whole world put down their guns, stood down their armies, and put all the time and effort currently devoted to murdering one another into actually making the world a better place.

 

[lozina]

You know what would be an even more amazing thing than yet another bloody civil war? If the whole world put down their guns, stood down their armies, and put all the time and effort currently devoted to murdering one another into actually making the world a better place.

Here, let us hold hands around the camp fire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCX3ZNDZAwY&noredirect=1

 

[soundforbjt]

That were publicly vocal about it.

You got any actual figures as to how many would've acted that were or were not vocal about it? :whiste:

 

[Hugo Drax]

You are making the assumption that the Military will turn on its own.

Remember the US government has no power without the backing of the Military.

The US Millitary is composed of middle class and lower classes. Not the elite. So will John son of Joe six pack willing to shoot his brother to support the cause of a small elite cadre?

Or is it more likely that they will turn on the Governing body giving the order to shoot?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

The US Millitary is composed of middle class and lower classes. Not the elite. So will John son of Joe six pack willing to shoot his brother to support the cause of a small elite cadre?

Or is it more likely that they will turn on the Governing body giving the order to shoot?

I would think the later would occur.

 

[waggy]

You are making the assumption that the Military will turn on its own.

Remember the US government has no power without the backing of the Military.

The US Millitary is composed of middle class and lower classes. Not the elite. So will John son of Joe six pack willing to shoot his brother to support the cause of a small elite cadre?

Or is it more likely that they will turn on the Governing body giving the order to shoot?

that's what i said at the start.

depending on why there is arevolt i wouldn't expect the military (at least not all of it) to fight it's people.

 

[momeNt]

You are making the assumption that the Military will turn on its own.

Remember the US government has no power without the backing of the Military.

The US Millitary is composed of middle class and lower classes. Not the elite. So will John son of Joe six pack willing to shoot his brother to support the cause of a small elite cadre?

Or is it more likely that they will turn on the Governing body giving the order to shoot?

Shoot his brother? What makes you think they would deploy soldiers anywhere even remotely close to their home town?

 

[Hugo Drax]

Shoot his brother? What makes you think they would deploy soldiers anywhere even remotely close to their home town?

Think outside the Autism spectrum.