What if there was an armed uprising in USA?

[momeNt]

Think outside the Autism spectrum.

What I'm saying is that these people to them would essentially be nobody providing hometowns are far enough away. They would be people who are trying to destabilize their livelihood and how they support their family.

People who revolt have nothing else better, they are desperate people unable to support or protect their family and resort to extreme measures.

You think a soldier with full benefits and a happy family feels that same level of desperation that it would take to make that leap?

 

[WelshBloke]

You are making the assumption that the Military will turn on its own.

Remember the US government has no power without the backing of the Military.

The US Millitary is composed of middle class and lower classes. Not the elite. So will John son of Joe six pack willing to shoot his brother to support the cause of a small elite cadre?

Or is it more likely that they will turn on the Governing body giving the order to shoot?

You send a bunch of soldiers from one part of the country to "keep the piece" in another part of the country. As soon as some hothead opens fire on the troops you can bet that they are going to open fire back.

 

[momeNt]

You send a bunch of soldiers from one part of the country to "keep the piece" in another part of the country. As soon as some hothead opens fire on the troops you can bet that they are going to open fire back.

No, thinking that makes you autistic....

 

[WelshBloke]

No, thinking that makes you autistic....

Really?

I'm off to the local casino. BRB after I clean them out. :biggrin:

 

[momeNt]

Really?

I'm off to the local casino. BRB after I clean them out. :biggrin:

Well according to him it does. I said the exact same thing and got called out on being autistic.

 

[mammador]

Didn't you hear? Cos of gay marriage, the South will rise again...

 

[Thebobo]

You know what would be an even more amazing thing than yet another bloody civil war? If the whole world put down their guns, stood down their armies, and put all the time and effort currently devoted to murdering one another into actually making the world a better place.

What thew heck is that kind of talk!?!?!?!

How in the hell can I make a profit out of peace?

 

[JTsyo]

Hypothetically speaking, let's say that the "occupy" movement ended up flaring into some armed conflict between citizens and police, and that it somehow sparked an armed movement to overthrow the government.

How do you think the US government would respond? Do you believe the US gov would simply acquiesce and dissolve themselves?

Let's take it a step further and say that the government finds out that the armed resistance is actually funded and supplied discretely by foreign nations including China, Iran and Russia

I think it would be foolish to think that the government would not respond in force, and that a protracted civil war would not follow. Do you think so?

There currently are militant groups within the US whose objective is the overthrow of the government - and they are all on the US terrorist lists and closely monitored. Surely there is a small chance that some event occurs which triggers an armed rebellion by such groups right?

Then if a civil war did ensue, would the US government take all the blame for civilian casualties that will inevitably occur? Assuming the rebels in the US had not received any aid from foreign nations they may have been quickly crushed with minimal civilian casualties and life would essentially go on as normal with media going 24/7 on how it was a group of crazy terrorists to keep the general population at ease. Wouldn't you put heavy blame on Russia, China and Iran for supporting the rebels?

So now think about Syria who faced a protest turned armed conflict with their rebels funded by Western nations including weapons, which allowed them to stand up and fight the Syrian government forces in a long protracted war which has now cost over 100,000 civilians lives.

Don't Western nations share the blame for those lives lost? How could this conflict have possible gone on so long without the foreign support? Certainly it would have been quelled quickly in a small bloody conflict but far far less than the war it has turned into.

Do you think the Syrian government should have just conceded and dissolved themselves at the beginning of the conflict? How realistic is that?

OP I think you're forgetting the history of how the revolts in Syria started. In the beginning it was just protests but then the Army moved in a starting killing people. That's when it turned into an armed revolt. A large percent of the population support it, a order of magnitude more than any groups in the US could find support for a rebellion. The west didn't have much interest in Syria since they don't produce mush oil and were more involved with Russia. It's when the human rights violations came to light that the west took interest.

 

[JTsyo]

That's utterly prepostrous. The least chance of success any US armed uprising would have is in large metropolitan environments (not that it would ever have any chance, period).

Once you're in your skyscraper, what will you do then, declare victory over the oppressors in D.C.? If you were actually any kind of credible threat, you'd have special forces helicopters landing on the roof coming down the stairwells and possibly also rappelling down the sides, and troops coming up from the ground. Elevators won't work, you're now stuck in a concrete and glass trap, congratulations. They'll sweep the building, kill you, then leave the way they came. End of your revolution. ...And if you're not a credible threat, N.Y. cops would arrive to sort you out (and they would.)

No, better stick to the deep forests of montana in your little mountain hideouts and dirt cellars packed to the brim with canned goods. How will you Che Guevara revolutionaries survive in the urban jungle of NY once power goes out (and it will, of course). No lights, no heat, no water or sanitation. When people can't go to McDonald's for food (or anywhere else for that matter), you'll have mass riots on your hand, not a coordinated fight against the government...

This is all delusional nonsense.

You're right. Assuming the armed forces don't revolt, the best way to keep it going is to be spread out across America rather than concentrated in some area. I don't think the US has or can raise an Army that would be able to cover the interior of the US (this assumes the coasts aren't involved). Rebel forces would need to converge for an attack and then disperse afterwards before the military can respond. I don't see this rebellion winning but they can last for years.
On the other hand you have some place in NYC revolt and they can just lock it down. NYC is basically islands and not self-substantiating.

 

[exdeath]

It starts with just a bunch of trigger happy red necks barricaded in their homes with barricaded streets all shooting out the windows down the street at any law enforcement or military that attempted to enter the neighborhood to enforce any sort of gun ban.

x 10000000

You want to be that cop or soldier that has to not only ENTER the neighborhood in one piece, but also clearing each and every house and bedroom while being shot at non stop? Or thinking you found every last gun, then get shot in the back on the way out? By people who are otherwise harming no one and doing no wrong but trying to keep what's theirs?

The American Revolution wasn't fought by a 1-2 guys with guns acting like Rambo marching up on Britain and targeting anyone or by any extremist group plotting anything.

It was a bunch of civilians on the defensive with nothing left to lose in their homes that said NO to the last straw of gun confiscation by the British. Civilians who fired on anyone who came to THEM in an attempt to execute that order.

Anyone who can't understand how that is a VERY different and unwinnable nightmare scenario for ANY military or law enforcement in the world is a lost cause.

Also don't forget: it's civilian contractors and engineers who design and delivery military weapons like planes and missiles or provide fuel, ammo, etc. Tanks and planes need fuel, shells, and missiles to operate. These are all produced by the civilian work force.

Likewise in this hypothetical scenario, it won't just be the military who has those things. Libs like to point out that military has superior weapons, drones, missiles, etc. Said civilian work force who produces those things who's families are under siege will eventually begin covertly redirecting current inventory and production to civilian causes while destroying or sabotaging items delivered to the government. All the biggest military weapons suppliers in the US are privately held by civilians. Nobody is going to give a fuck about the ATF or the production of military explosives and weapons on the civilian market anymore in a time of war. What a surprise when a APC full of thugs coming to confiscate a few AR-15s meets the business end of a Javelin. Where the fuck did that come from?!

From there, plus the bases that defect and refuse to fight American civilians...

It's not a cut and dry squishing of the populace as the libs would get a boner believing. The genie is coming out of the bottle once it's uncorked and it's going to be pissed.

 

[exdeath]

I want to reiterate this CLEARLY for anyone who likes to compare civilian weapons to current US military technology and have wet dreams that American civilians would be crushed over night: That military technology is designed, developed, tested, and produced by thousands of mostly conservative American civilians.

ALL the major weapons suppliers for the US government are hundreds of thousands of civilian contractors who won't take kindly to what is happening to their friends and family members. Same for fuel, explosives, food production, replacement parts for tanks, planes, drones, etc.

The military's monopoly on superior firepower will be very short lived after a few bases and tanks are raided with Javelin missiles produced and sold on the civilian market once nobody gives a fuck about law and order or the ATF anymore.

Think about that.

Right now it's easy to say "oh civilians cant get cruise missiles or RPGs".

No not right now in a time of peace.

If shit ever went to hell, you think the stuff isn't going to be widely distributed and produced for "the resistance" and all shipments to the government stopped or sabotaged?

Yeah think about it. Try and think in reality in multiple dimensions and not just "lawl 20 soldiers gun down a lone Rambo with a drone", because it's a lot more complicated and a lot more messy than that. It will be equal firepower and complete devastation of this entire nation.

Sorry you totalitarian types, its not going to be guys with BB guns getting run over by tanks. Much of the civilians will begin acquiring equal weapons because they are the ones who produced them in the first place.

That changes things huh?

What about those tanks again that our AR-15's can't scratch? Javelin bait!