What if there was an armed uprising in USA?

[lozina]

Hypothetically speaking, let's say that the "occupy" movement ended up flaring into some armed conflict between citizens and police, and that it somehow sparked an armed movement to overthrow the government.

How do you think the US government would respond? Do you believe the US gov would simply acquiesce and dissolve themselves?

Let's take it a step further and say that the government finds out that the armed resistance is actually funded and supplied discretely by foreign nations including China, Iran and Russia

I think it would be foolish to think that the government would not respond in force, and that a protracted civil war would not follow. Do you think so?

There currently are militant groups within the US whose objective is the overthrow of the government - and they are all on the US terrorist lists and closely monitored. Surely there is a small chance that some event occurs which triggers an armed rebellion by such groups right?

Then if a civil war did ensue, would the US government take all the blame for civilian casualties that will inevitably occur? Assuming the rebels in the US had not received any aid from foreign nations they may have been quickly crushed with minimal civilian casualties and life would essentially go on as normal with media going 24/7 on how it was a group of crazy terrorists to keep the general population at ease. Wouldn't you put heavy blame on Russia, China and Iran for supporting the rebels?

So now think about Syria who faced a protest turned armed conflict with their rebels funded by Western nations including weapons, which allowed them to stand up and fight the Syrian government forces in a long protracted war which has now cost over 100,000 civilians lives.

Don't Western nations share the blame for those lives lost? How could this conflict have possible gone on so long without the foreign support? Certainly it would have been quelled quickly in a small bloody conflict but far far less than the war it has turned into.

Do you think the Syrian government should have just conceded and dissolved themselves at the beginning of the conflict? How realistic is that?

 

[Texashiker]

Americans are too fat and lazy to even "think" about revolting.

If they wont even vote, there is no chance in hell there is going to be a revolution.

 

[Brigandier]

We could just call a constitutional convention, and end it there.

 

[jpeyton]

There are two obstacles preventing any major armed civilian uprising:

1) The size of any armed civilian group is relatively small in any given area. Too small to overwhelm a state-level or federal-level response.

2) The firepower of any armed civilian group is relatively light. Sure they have access to similar guns/calibers, but not heavy vehicles or specialized equipment/explosives. No air support either.

 

[waggy]

Americans are too fat and lazy to even "think" about revolting.

If they wont even vote, there is no chance in hell there is going to be a revolution.

I think you buy in far to much of the "image" many try to pin on the US.


I think if it went into armed uprising in the USA it would be very nasty.

the real issue is why? would it be something the majority is against the government?

 

[lozina]

There are two obstacles preventing any major armed civilian uprising:

1) The size of any armed civilian group is relatively small in any given area. Too small to overwhelm a state-level or federal-level response.

2) The firepower of any armed civilian group is relatively light. Sure they have access to similar guns/calibers, but not heavy vehicles or specialized equipment/explosives. No air support either.

As for the second point, I imagine any such rebels would certainly not stand in the corn fields waiting for American heavy equipment to roll them over - just like in Syria it would start in urban environments. Imagine perhaps armed groups taking over sections of skyscrapers in downtown NYC.

 

[nextJin]

Occupy is a terrible example considering most are liberal leaning.

 

[waggy]

There are two obstacles preventing any major armed civilian uprising:

1) The size of any armed civilian group is relatively small in any given area. Too small to overwhelm a state-level or federal-level response.

2) The firepower of any armed civilian group is relatively light. Sure they have access to similar guns/calibers, but not heavy vehicles or specialized equipment/explosives. No air support either.

1) as i said it dpends on why there is a revolt. if you have the majority of the US against the government i think they have a good chance. just because one belong sto the state/fed does not mean they will go for it.

2) look at afghanastan and iraq. they did fine without the same power. Hell i would say that while the population does not have same firepower we have more. And many wouldn't think twice of useing dirty tactics to win.

 

[lozina]

I think you buy in far to much of the "image" many try to pin on the US.


I think if it went into armed uprising in the USA it would be very nasty.

the real issue is why? would it be something the majority is against the government?

Not concerned about the issue of why, just trying to point out that I dont think anyone would imagine the US government just caving in to demands of some rebel group, do you?

IF such a conflict were to ever occur for whatever reason, the rebels would be in for a world of hurt from the government forces.

So given that perspective, did anyone expect the Syrian regime to just cave in when their protests started to become physical? If it's a no-brainer that the government forces would seek to return their nation under their control then how can we not blame ourselves (and our friends the Suadis and Qatar) for pumping so much support into those rebels which I believe is the biggest mistake in the Syria conflict

I submit that if the rebel forces were not supported by foreigners the Syria conflict would have ended shortly after it started with very few civilian casualties

 

[Texashiker]

I think you buy in far to much of the "image" many try to pin on the US.

I do not "buy" into anything.

Young people today are more worried about their smart phone than the state of the nation.

 

[xBiffx]

Its a good question.

At some point, police and government goons will make a choice between their duty as police or government goons and their duty as fellow American citizens. The extent as to which is going to make or break any kind of armed revolt. If you have a lot a dedicated police/goons, the armed revolt is squashed quickly.

I think that if a large scale revolt ever broke out, nothing would stop it. After all, we are talking about employees here who are tasked with keeping order. People with free will to choose, people with families. Not robots who just follow orders.

 

[Texashiker]

As for the opening post, city and state responders would be overwhelmed pretty quick.

To maintain order the federal government would have to call out the Army. But then again, I think the federal government is prohibited from using the army on US soil against US citizens. The only option is to call out the national guard.

 

[sportage]

Revolt? That might mean losing your internet capability. iPhone. Directv.
Naw... nada never going to happen.
Well maybe with like 25 tea party hermit families that live way out in Wyoming.
I doubt 25 tea party members would be enough.
Aren't we first waiting for the war the Beatles predicted, anyhow?
Wasn't it.....hmmm....Helter Skelter?
Or was that the name of the famous lady that taught the blind kid?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Yes, there will be a revolution shortly. McOwned will be a front line General taking on the oil refineries and dairy farms.

 

[sourn]

It would take something very serious to get the American people to revolt (and not just some idiots). If the majority did, I would see w/e the congress did to piss the people off getting turned over real quick. And a lot of people getting shit canned/arrested in congress if not but just to save a few of their asses.

It doesn't take tanks, jets, or drones to do some nasty damage.

Which I don't see it ever happening while a lot of these politicians are two face lying assholes, we can be sure they are out for themselves. So while they may push a little bit, it would be bad business to push to hard.

 

[ss284]

Life in the US is too good. Also, revolting would be less effective than just spending time and effort starting an interest group and lobbying congress. Also, Syria is a very different country with a very different culture. Not a good comparison.

 

[schneiderguy]

Occupy is a terrible example considering most are liberal leaning.

This. Libruls voluntarily disarmed themselves and will be purged in the coming race war.

 

[etrigan420]

"A Big Mac behind every blade of grass"

 

[Texashiker]

"A Big Mac behind every blade of grass"

You forgot the video,


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfDjvhsdQoo

 

[exdeath]

Prohibition. War on drugs. And the upcoming war on guns.

Nuff said.

A gun grab would do it. We were pretty close after Newtown, CT.

All the Sheriffs, local legislators, and a majority of service men and women etc saying FU to the feds?

 

[Matt1970]

Yes, there will be a revolution shortly. McOwned will be a front line General taking on the oil refineries and dairy farms.

It's picking up momentum. In the last two years he has picked up Phokus and bshole.

 

[Kaido]

Americans are too fat and lazy to even "think" about revolting.

I hate to admit it, but the more I've studied the food industry and the effects of processed food on human beings, the more I've come to see how people tend to be more complacent with the status quo. Processed food affects both your body and your mind. Apparently 2/3 of adult Americans are overweight and 1/3 are obese as of last year:

http://frac.org/initiatives/hunger-and-obesity/obesity-in-the-us/

Genetically engineered & modified foods, sugar, corn, preservatives, additives, shelf-stabilizers, heck we even put wood into products now (no joke). We still consume handfuls of products that all of the other countries have outright banned. But is the complacency issue 100% bad? I dunno. I have a buddy from Egypt and they are having a pretty bloody revolution there; here in America there's not really any bloodshed at election time and we get a fresh face in every 4 years or so, so there's something to be said for that.

 

[dank69]

This. Libruls voluntarily disarmed themselves and will be purged in the coming race war.

Our bloodlines will live on in the wombs of your wimmenz.

 

[mistercrabby]

We could just call a constitutional convention, and end it there.

Exactly.

 

[brandonb]

Here are the tactics that would most likely happen (as I imagine it.) From an uprising, I will call them rebels. At a high level.

1) Demoralize the police. Tell them to quit, otherwise be attacked. If they stay on the job, then they are KOS. This is likely going to cause many the police to walk off the job. This will allow people to mobilize and band together without repercussions, and plan battles/tactics. The government would need to hire more police or deploy the military to maintain control. This will cost a lot. It will be hard to keep order. This would spread government forces thin (if it comes to them maintaining order) and make them easy targets. We have a large country.

2) Rebels would have to quit their jobs that are paying taxes into the current government. Rebels would be withdrawing all their funds and pocketing the cash. Likely all funds would be froze to the rebels so getting it all removed from the system would be #1 priority for them. Kill off the banks by mass foreclosing and lack of payments into the system, and will likely cause banks to go belly up. Causing further collapse.

3) The rebels could easily siege cities by taking out infrastructure in semi-rural areas. Destroy roads and rail in and out of the city. Prevent trucks from entering cities. The supermarkets would soon be empty of goods. This would essentially starve out the cities, and prevent people from paying taxes as they would be worrying about food and starvation, more than likely causing uprisings there. Keep the government busy trying to feed the machine. Not to mention trying to defend the infrastructure. Again, this would spread forces pretty thin. When people start to starve, it will cause further collapse.

A straight up battle of forces would never work. It's a matter of letting the government rot from the inside by removing the revenue stream. With as many people on government programs as there are. Cities would fall almost immediately without government funds. The chaos (riots) would eat apart the government as they'd have rebels and discontent to deal with.

The government will do everything in it's power to stay in power, but I don't see much hope for them as we are too far into debt, and way too many people dependent on the government. It seems that fragile to me.

I could see an overthrow without any bloodshed.

Maybe I'm looking at it too simplistic. But that's how I'd see it.