What in the hell are we teaching our kids!?

[JoLLyRoGer]

I want to bring some attention to something that is happening right under my own nose... In the city I travel to every day for work.

This relates to the newly adopted Common Core Curriculum. I admittedly know very little about this program but I'm pretty pissed off about what it has ushered in.

Read this and tell me it wouldn't alarm you.
http://freepatriot.org/2013/09/14/common-core-book-kids-describes-entering-behind/

At least my kids aren't going there.

 

[dank69]

LOL free patriot.

So how old should a girl be before we are allowed to discuss sexuality with her? Married?

 

[JoLLyRoGer]

LOL free patriot.

So how old should a girl be before we are allowed to discuss sexuality with her? Married?

LOL.. figured that was coming.. So smutty literature from the 10th grade English class sensationalizing anal sex and bondage equates to "discussing sexuality" with your daughter?

Why don't we just hand out 50 Shades of Gray to 4th graders then and call it good?

Oh, and does it really matter which outlet decided to pick up the story and run with it? I suppose it would only be credible if it was being covered by the Young Turks or the Daily Kos?

Original article came from here:
http://eagnews.org/10th-grade-class-reads-erotic-novel-recommended-by-common-core-proponents/

 

[Paul98]

I admittedly know very little about this program but I'm pretty pissed off about what it has ushered in.

You might want to look want to educate yourself BEFORE you get angry about something.

 

[Doppel]

LOL free patriot.

So how old should a girl be before we are allowed to discuss sexuality with her? Married?

So in other words you don't have kids. Further, you don't understand the difference between sex ed and doggy style and biting bruises into a person's thighs. I guess your school never had sex ed so your confusion is understanding.

 

[Jaskalas]

Who said anything about anal? She is fully accessible from behind.

 

[dank69]

LOL.. figured that was coming.. So smutty literature from the 10th grade English class sensationalizing anal sex and bondage equates to "discussing sexuality" with your daughter?

Why don't we just hand out 50 Shades of Gray to 4th graders then and call it good?

Oh, and does it really matter which outlet decided to pick up the story and run with it? I suppose it would only be credible if it was being covered by the Young Turks or the Daily Kos?

Original article came from here:
http://eagnews.org/10th-grade-class-reads-erotic-novel-recommended-by-common-core-proponents/

LOL anal? Clearly your sex education is lacking as well.

And even if it was about anal, so what? Do you think many 10th graders don't know what anal is? Are you one of those guys that loves women who love anal but doesn't want his daughter to love anal?

 

[dank69]

So in other words you don't have kids. Further, you don't understand the difference between sex ed and doggy style and biting bruises into a person's thighs. I guess your school never had sex ed so your confusion is understanding.

I have an 18mo daughter. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

I plan on educating her about sex instead of pretending it doesn't exist.

 

[JoLLyRoGer]

You might want to look want to educate yourself BEFORE you get angry about something.

^^ this makes no sense ^^

Here's what I know.
The school is teaching this smut to grade schoolers. I suppose you approve?

What's your angle here anyway and why are you trying to distract from the issue and make it something about me?

 

[Doppel]

I have an 18mo daughter. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

I plan on educating her about sex instead of pretending it doesn't exist.

An 18 month old has zero exposure to anything in the world not 100% vetted by an adult caregiver at all times, so to have not yet seen the devolution of sweet little girl into anything else. Are you one of those guys that loves women who love anal and are okay with your future 15 year old daughter loving it too?

I agree the passage isn't about anal in any case though.

 

[dank69]

An 18 month old has zero exposure to anything in the world not 100% vetted by an adult caregiver at all times, so to have not yet seen the devolution of sweet little girl into anything else. Are you one of those guys that loves women who love anal and are okay with your future 15 year old daughter loving it too?

I agree the passage isn't about anal in any case though.

I'd count it as a blessing since if she prefers anal there is that much less a chance she gets knocked up before she wants to.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

^^ this makes no sense ^^

Here's what I know.
The school is teaching this smut to grade schoolers. I suppose you approve?

What's your angle here anyway and why are you trying to distract from the issue and make it something about me?

10th grade is not "grade school." That's a sophomore in high school, and you're a fool if you think high school students haven't had access to a lot worse than two paragraphs about foreplay and sex. You can barely do a Google search for legitimate educational topics without turning up hardcore pornography. The average age for losing one's virginity is 17, which would put the students reading this book within one to two years of likely having sex themselves. It is an act of willful ignorance to assume that teenagers are completely sexless creatures who will be corrupted by reading about sex in a book. But I suppose kids were different back in your day; no one had any impure thoughts, everyone got married to their high school sweethearts at 18, had two children and never had sex again because it's a sin, right? That's a fantasy that has never been true, and it's a fool who propagates that lie as an ideal we should strive towards.

 

[JoLLyRoGer]

LOL anal? Clearly your sex education is lacking as well.

And even if it was about anal, so what? Do you think many 10th graders don't know what anal os? Are you one of those guys that loves women who love anal but doesn't want his daughter to love anal?

^^ So much FAIL in this statement I don't know where to begin...

So what you're really saying here is "Because some 10th graders may or may not "allegedly" know what anal is.. it is hereby perfectly appropriate... nay... incumbent upon the education system to make sure it's taught in 10th grade english..

And not just that, but that the content presented in a sufficiently raunchy enough manor that anything that could possibly be "educational" about "from behind" sex and bondage is lost somewhere between "biting her thighs" and "soaping up her ass".

Finally... If I walk up and down the hallways talking about these topics they way they are portrayed in that passage I'm likely gonna offend some of my female co-workers and possibly have a sexual harassment complaint filed and reprimanded because it's just unprofessional. Yet these CHILDREN are expected to read this content OUT LOUD in class! But then again, since when has professionalism and decency ever been a requirement of education?

I see your point, you win, there's no problem here.

 

[JulesMaximus]

We're a nation of prudes... :whiste:

“Dreaming in Cuban” has received critical acclaim since its publication in 1992 and was also a finalist for the National Book Award.

In response to the controversy, the Cuban-born novelist said these types of complaints had never occurred before and should not be a reason to deprive students from a broader cultural experience.

“Many works, not just mine, are misinterpreted or misguidedly banned because of the limitations and short-sightedness of a few,” García told the Associated Press, adding that she’s willing to visit the school district to clear up concerns.

Toni Morrison’s Pulitzer-prize winning novel “Beloved” once faced similar challenges after parents complained its sexual content and violence made it unsuitable for classrooms. The book is widely read in high schools today and is featured at The Library of Congress in an exhibit titled “Books That Shaped America.”

 

[JoLLyRoGer]

10th grade is not "grade school." That's a sophomore in high school, and you're a fool if you think high school students haven't had access to a lot worse than two paragraphs about foreplay and sex. You can barely do a Google search for legitimate educational topics without turning up hardcore pornography. The average age for losing one's virginity is 17, which would put the students reading this book within one to two years of likely having sex themselves. It is an act of willful ignorance to assume that teenagers are completely sexless creatures who will be corrupted by reading about sex in a book. But I suppose kids were different back in your day; no one had any impure thoughts, everyone got married to their high school sweethearts at 18, had two children and never had sex again because it's a sin, right? That's a fantasy that has never been true, and it's a fool who propagates that lie as an ideal we should strive towards.

Guess what.. My two kids in high school (one of them a sophomore - my daughter). Well adjusted, both are honor role, play sports, have not/are not having sex.. let alone discussing *ahem* "from behind" and bondage. Don't turn up hardcore when they google because I monitor their content and computers are used in the common areas of our house.

It's jerkoffs like you that have completely given up on morality and your duty as a parent to protect your kids that propagate this problem to the point it is now accepted as the norm!.. Disgusting! And the fact that we've become so socially numb to it all is saddening.. you my friend are a shining example..

Have fun being a 35YO Grandpa raising a baby again after your teenage daughter gets knocked up because they read this book and thought it would be a good idea to try. Wish HER luck for me making it through high-school and let alone college and on to a productive adult live. Not that it can't be done - but it's gonna be about 100x tougher.

But ha.. fuck it, no reason to get be concerned about my kid's education.. Too easy just to look the other way. I'm a relic.. blah blah..

 

[Atomic Playboy]

So what you're really saying here is "Because some 10th graders may or may not "allegedly" know what anal is.. it is hereby perfectly appropriate... nay... incumbent upon the education system to make sure it's taught in 10th grade english..

And not just that, but that the content presented in a sufficiently raunchy enough manor that anything that could possibly be "educational" about "from behind" sex and bondage is lost somewhere between "biting her thighs" and "soaping up her ass".

You've posted a link that shows two pages out of a 245 page book. Do you have any idea what's in the other 243 pages? Maybe it's something that's legitimately educational. Is one steamy sex scene enough to decry a piece of literature? Because there are a lot of literary masterpieces that include sex. Is any sexual content enough to decry something as devoid of literary or artistic value? Are you the final judge of morality when it comes to sexuality in art?

Finally... If I walk up and down the hallways talking about these topics they way they are portrayed in that passage I'm likely gonna offend some of my female co-workers and possibly have a sexual harassment complaint filed and reprimanded because it's just unprofessional. Yet these CHILDREN are expected to read this content OUT LOUD in class! But then again, since when has professionalism and decency ever been a requirement of education?

Education touches on controversial topics. I had a conversation in a high school social studies class about bigotry where my teacher gave us examples using words like "lovely human" and "******." Clearly I can't say those words at work without offending someone; I'd probably get fired. But an academic setting is the perfect place to discuss controversial topics. Sure, people might get offended, but that's part of the educational process. Teaching a social studies lesson about bigotry without identifying examples of bigotry would be utterly pointless. Similarly, pretending that sex doesn't exist is an idiotic way to educate adolescents. You can't just stick your head in the sand and pretend that a 15 year old isn't going to have sexual thoughts; it's asinine. And if you assume that all it takes to open those floodgates and unleash a raging hormonal teen orgy is a single depiction of sex in a single book, you have no respect for the teenagers you're purportedly trying to protect.

 

[JoLLyRoGer]

We're a nation of prudes... :whiste:

Fine! Great! It may be the best literary work of art to ever go into print! I'm sure it's a fantastic literary work of art. Read it in college.. read it as an adult. Don't teach it to my 14y.o. There are plenty of other options.

 

[hal2kilo]

I don't no what to say, except "how quaint".

Supposed to have quoted #15

 

[actuarial]

^^ So much FAIL in this statement I don't know where to begin...

So what you're really saying here is "Because some 10th graders may or may not "allegedly" know what anal is.. it is hereby perfectly appropriate... nay... incumbent upon the education system to make sure it's taught in 10th grade english..

Where has it been said in the thread that this is necessary (incumbent) to teach in 10th grade english? First straw man.

And not just that, but that the content presented in a sufficiently raunchy enough manor that anything that could possibly be "educational" about "from behind" sex and bondage is lost somewhere between "biting her thighs" and "soaping up her ass".

Your assumption is that the passage itself was intended to be the educational part of the book. Another straw man argument that has yet to be put forward.

Finally... If I walk up and down the hallways talking about these topics they way they are portrayed in that passage I'm likely gonna offend some of my female co-workers and possibly have a sexual harassment complaint filed and reprimanded because it's just unprofessional. Yet these CHILDREN are expected to read this content OUT LOUD in class! But then again, since when has professionalism and decency ever been a requirement of education?

Where in the article does it state that this specific passage was read out loud? I am not aware than in 10th grade entire novels are read out loud during class time. That would take up the entire class. Reading a book out loud in class does not mean all passages are read out loud. Another straw man.

I see your point, you win, there's no problem here.

Your straw man game is strong.

 

[Doppel]

I'd count it as a blessing since if she prefers anal there is that much less a chance she gets knocked up before she wants to.

Great idea. But why wait until she is 15 to foment this interest in her? Also be sure to cover deep throat techniques, just to add additional defense to getting pregnant.

Apparently common core has removed huck Finn and surely that is in part due to use of nigg3r, so we replace that with rough sex. Sounds about right.

 

[HumblePie]

In all fairness, this is why MOST schools send a curriculum out to all parents. My English classes sent a list of books that were to be read in the up coming year to my parents. My parents had every opportunity to review those books and provide feedback.

I'm not sure about the school in this article, but if the school did something similar to how my school does things, then the onus is on the parents if they let the education system teach this to their kids and they didn't want their kids learning about it through the school system.

Personally, I don't find it *too* bad at all. Most high school girls I knew at that age were reading tons of "romance" novels which are far more smuttier than the book from the article in the original post. Parents need to take control of their kids education instead of blaming everything on schools.

 

[shadow9d9]

Guess what.. My two kids in high school (one of them a sophomore - my daughter). Well adjusted, both are honor role, play sports, have not/are not having sex.. let alone discussing *ahem* "from behind" and bondage. Don't turn up hardcore when they google because I monitor their content and computers are used in the common areas of our house.

It's jerkoffs like you that have completely given up on morality and your duty as a parent to protect your kids that propagate this problem to the point it is now accepted as the norm!.. Disgusting! And the fact that we've become so socially numb to it all is saddening.. you my friend are a shining example..

Have fun being a 35YO Grandpa raising a baby again after your teenage daughter gets knocked up because they read this book and thought it would be a good idea to try. Wish HER luck for me making it through high-school and let alone college and on to a productive adult live. Not that it can't be done - but it's gonna be about 100x tougher.

But ha.. fuck it, no reason to get be concerned about my kid's education.. Too easy just to look the other way. I'm a relic.. blah blah..

There is nothing immoral about sex. Grow up.

You also have NO IDEA if they are having sex or not. You are completely naive if you think you have a clue!

 

[michal1980]

theres alot more wrong with common core, and say ngss then whatever op is made about.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

There is nothing immortal about sex. Grow up.

Damn shame, that.

 

[justoh]

Clearly the attitude of this OP is a lot more harmful to children than this book. Get over yourselves and sex. This is the 21st century, yo.