What is AMD's next move?

[Brian23]

PV looks to be a killer chip. What does AMD have in store to battle it?

 

[Soccerman06]

M2

 

[Intelia]

Where can i buy 1

 

[n7]

Blah blah blah!

Link to where i can buy a Pentium 5...oh wait, it's not out yet!

Just like M2 isn't out yet...gawd i hate this constant speculation :roll:

 

[Brian23]

Originally posted by: n7
Blah blah blah!

Link to where i can buy a Pentium 5...oh wait, it's not out yet!

Just like M2 isn't out yet...gawd i hate this constant speculation :roll:

but it's fun!

seriously though, AMD has to have plans currently underway. If they started now, there's no way they could design a new, more competitive chip by the time PV comes out next year. They had to be anticipating this move by intel. They knew eventually intel would start making a competitive cpu.

 

[Maximilian]

They have the K10, and not much is known about it unfortunately Until that is released they will have to compete with their K9 dual core chips.

 

[AMDCrazy]

Nothing can beat AMD...Period!!!!

 

[Bona Fide]

Originally posted by: AMDCrazy
Nothing can beat AMD...Period!!!!

Fanboyism is at an all-time high, I see.

Well if M2 is the best that AMD can do, Intel is going to win this round. The real spectacle will be Intel's answer to K10.

 

[Furen]

Originally posted by: Bona Fide

Originally posted by: AMDCrazy
Nothing can beat AMD...Period!!!!

Fanboyism is at an all-time high, I see.

Well if M2 is the best that AMD can do, Intel is going to win this round. The real spectacle will be Intel's answer to K10.

OMG, I still dont get you guys!! How can you say that M2 is going to suck without knowing anything about it besides the pin-count? I wonder if Conroe's 4-issue width will make a difference or if it's only there to enable hyperthreading eventually...

 

[Maximilian]

Originally posted by: AMDCrazy
Nothing can beat AMD...Period!!!!

Pfft. Whatever.... I have faith in cyrix, aka VIA!! That C3 of theirs is a monster waiting to be let out!

 

[Maximilian]

Originally posted by: Furen

Originally posted by: Bona Fide

Originally posted by: AMDCrazy
Nothing can beat AMD...Period!!!!

Fanboyism is at an all-time high, I see.

Well if M2 is the best that AMD can do, Intel is going to win this round. The real spectacle will be Intel's answer to K10.

OMG, I still dont get you guys!! How can you say that M2 is going to suck without knowing anything about it besides the pin-count? I wonder if Conroe's 4-issue width will make a difference or if it's only there to enable hyperthreading eventually...

It wont suck as a socket. But it sucks compared to what Intel are releasing which is an entirely new architecture. Thats fair enough though as two years ago Amd released the K8 and Intel was left in the shadows still chugging along with netburst and prescott. Amd had their time at the top, its Intels turn now.

 

[Bona Fide]

Originally posted by: Furen

Originally posted by: Bona Fide

Originally posted by: AMDCrazy
Nothing can beat AMD...Period!!!!

Fanboyism is at an all-time high, I see.

Well if M2 is the best that AMD can do, Intel is going to win this round. The real spectacle will be Intel's answer to K10.

OMG, I still dont get you guys!! How can you say that M2 is going to suck without knowing anything about it besides the pin-count? I wonder if Conroe's 4-issue width will make a difference or if it's only there to enable hyperthreading eventually...

We do know quite a bit about M2. Anandtech has done several articles on it. The new pin layout is 940 pins. It supports DDR2. It has higher amperage to the CPU, which will result in more heat production.

M2 isn't just a switch to DDR2 memory support, though. Besides DDR2, AMD indicates that the Orleans and Windsor processors will also have "Security and Virtualization" features. Previously codenamed Pacifica, the virtualization technology adds hardware support that allows a system to run multiple operating systems simultaneously. It was possible to do this in the past with such tools as VMware, but hardware support should dramatically improve performance. The security technology mentioned is likely to be very similar to Intel's LaGrande Technology and was code named Presidio. Whether or not you'll need a tin foil hat to operate your computer is yet undecided.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2476&p=2

Ta-da!

 

[Brian23]

Originally posted by: Bona Fide

Originally posted by: Furen

Originally posted by: Bona Fide

Originally posted by: AMDCrazy
Nothing can beat AMD...Period!!!!

Fanboyism is at an all-time high, I see.

Well if M2 is the best that AMD can do, Intel is going to win this round. The real spectacle will be Intel's answer to K10.

OMG, I still dont get you guys!! How can you say that M2 is going to suck without knowing anything about it besides the pin-count? I wonder if Conroe's 4-issue width will make a difference or if it's only there to enable hyperthreading eventually...

We do know quite a bit about M2. Anandtech has done several articles on it. The new pin layout is 940 pins. It supports DDR2. It has higher amperage to the CPU, which will result in more heat production.

M2 isn't just a switch to DDR2 memory support, though. Besides DDR2, AMD indicates that the Orleans and Windsor processors will also have "Security and Virtualization" features. Previously codenamed Pacifica, the virtualization technology adds hardware support that allows a system to run multiple operating systems simultaneously. It was possible to do this in the past with such tools as VMware, but hardware support should dramatically improve performance. The security technology mentioned is likely to be very similar to Intel's LaGrande Technology and was code named Presidio. Whether or not you'll need a tin foil hat to operate your computer is yet undecided.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2476&p=2

Ta-da!

The way I see M2, it's only marginally better than 939. It's kinda like the difference between 754 and 939 was. Intel is completely redesigning their chip, not just upgrading the memory interface. AMD needs a plan.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Originally posted by: Brian23

The way I see M2, it's only marginally better than 939. It's kinda like the difference between 754 and 939 was. Intel is completely redesigning their chip, not just upgrading the memory interface. AMD needs a plan.

Yeah, Intel is redesigning it's chips to a near AMD design because they've been significantly beaten by that design for a year and a half now. Intel is the 800lb gorilla with the big bucks, AMD is the innovator. Because of their smaller size and loyal enthusiast following AMD can bring new technologies to market quicker.

 

[Furen]

Originally posted by: Bona Fide
We do know quite a bit about M2. Anandtech has done several articles on it. The new pin layout is 940 pins. It supports DDR2. It has higher amperage to the CPU, which will result in more heat production.
Ta-da!

Like I said, we know nothing about M2. The pincount is worthless without knowing the pin layout. We have no idea how K8s/K9s with DDR2 will perform so we cant really say much about that except that DDR2 power consumption is lower than with DDR1. My PSU can supply 35Amps on the 12v rail, it doesnt mean it supplies 420watts all the time, it just meants that they're there if the system needs it, it should be the same for M2, which will probably allow AMD to raise up the clockspeeds on the 90nm process (hopefully to 2.8-3.0GHz on the dual cores, heh) without burning the motherboards up.

 

[Brian23]

being smaller does not help AMD. It took them quite a while to come out with the Athlon after they bought the Alpha group. They haven't really changed the chip since the original K7. The've just been adding to it slowly. Designing a whole new architecture takes years.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Brian23
PV looks to be a killer chip. What does AMD have in store to battle it?

Another one of these moronic threads.....

1) Where can I buy it???

2) Where is the link to benchmarks versus current AMD chips???

3) How do we know anything from a bunch of marketing swirl (aka BS!!!)???

answer to these easy questions that only seem to stump the hopelessly idiotic Intel bunch who want to live so desperately in the future cause the present sucks so horribly for them...I dont know why, but they always seem to take it so personally when the other has the lead....I myself wait for real world testing before I claim a chip to be "killer"

now to th answers

1) You cant!!
2) There are none!!
3) We dont...

 

[imported_Kensai]

We need solid evidence.. Perhaps some gaming and video editing comparisons..

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Brian23
being smaller does not help AMD. It took them quite a while to come out with the Athlon after they bought the Alpha group. They haven't really changed the chip since the original K7. The've just been adding to it slowly. Designing a whole new architecture takes years.

How do you figure this genius??? They just cancelled the tejas architecture about 3Q of last year??? It was a radically different approach then this. Fact is they dont take as long as you think. The fact is many of the chips are made up of several ideas and technologies that are and have been being tested for years.....I dont think they have had as much time in this as you want to believe...

Smithfield was thrown together in world record time.

 

[Brian23]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: Brian23
being smaller does not help AMD. It took them quite a while to come out with the Athlon after they bought the Alpha group. They haven't really changed the chip since the original K7. The've just been adding to it slowly. Designing a whole new architecture takes years.

How do you figure this genius??? They just cancelled the tejas architecture about 3Q of last year??? It was a radically different approach then this. Fact is they dont take as long as you think. The fact is many of the chips are made up of several ideas and technologies that are and have been being tested for years.....I dont think they have had as much time in this as you want to believe...

Smithfield was thrown together in world record time.

First of all, I'm not an Intel fanboi. I only said that the chip looks to be "killer" because it's something new and the specs look good. I agree that there is no proof that it's a good chip until Anand puts up the benchies.

The reason why I say it takes years to develop an architecture is because it really does. Look at how long they milk each architecture before coming out with a new one. Incremental updates do not count as a new architecture. What they do is add a little more FSB here, lower latency there, tweak this, add a little more SSE there. Those tricks improve performance in the shorter run, and in the mean time they're working on new architectures behind closed doors. The Athlon X2 is basically the same chip as the first slot A chip, it just has a lot of add-ons like L2 cache, memory controller, Hyper Transport, tweaked pipeline etc. As far as intel goes, they used the same architecture from the original pentium pro all the way up through the P3. Of course they switched when they came out with the P4 and the PM, but they were working on those for years while people were still using Ppro, P2, and P3 processors.

 

[Duvie]

Again....They just cancelled Tejas not even a year ago so where did this radical design come from??? They probably had it on the backburner simmering but it was clear Intels cpu roadmap did not include a cpu like this just 1 year ago....A bunch of technologies are played with like a black ops program but may have actuakllky come together as quickly as under 1 year. They probably had already focused their attention on this before the Tejas announcement, but it is not the multiple years you are alluding to....

 

[Unkno]

even if intel wins the performance crown from amd...there's still the matter of.....COST. I don't care which company has the best performing cpu (too expensive), all i want is the best price to performance ratio on one cpu. IOW, if intel doesn't start ofering cheaper prices and better performance, i'm still gonna stick with amd.

 

[Avalon]

Well, if Intel beats out AMD in the performance wing next round, we might see AXP prices from AMD again.

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: Brian23
being smaller does not help AMD. It took them quite a while to come out with the Athlon after they bought the Alpha group. They haven't really changed the chip since the original K7. The've just been adding to it slowly. Designing a whole new architecture takes years.

Amd didn't buy Alpha, they just got a few people from it and licensed the memory bus.
Anyhow, AMD bought NextGen or whatever, who made the K6, the athlon was well under way by the time the alpha guys came around.

Anyhow, if not for the P4, you could have said intel has been slowly adding to and improving the P6 core. At least AMD's K10 has been many years in the making of a new architecture, the Pentium 5(redundant) it still ultimately Pentium based, though the core has finally changed at least.

BTW, the original Athlon core was built so that it could be greatly expanded upon, great multi cpu support was there from day one(just not utilized), and looking at the original athlon core, I'd say AMD planned to do more with the cache then they actually did.(perhaps as a contigency plan, if athlon sucked compared to p4 they could have just made it a cache heavy architecture that would be expensive to produce, but competitive)

 

[Brian23]

Originally posted by: Fox5

Originally posted by: Brian23
being smaller does not help AMD. It took them quite a while to come out with the Athlon after they bought the Alpha group. They haven't really changed the chip since the original K7. The've just been adding to it slowly. Designing a whole new architecture takes years.

Amd didn't buy Alpha, they just got a few people from it and licensed the memory bus.
Anyhow, AMD bought NextGen or whatever, who made the K6, the athlon was well under way by the time the alpha guys came around.

Anyhow, if not for the P4, you could have said intel has been slowly adding to and improving the P6 core. At least AMD's K10 has been many years in the making of a new architecture, the Pentium 5(redundant) it still ultimately Pentium based, though the core has finally changed at least.

BTW, the original Athlon core was built so that it could be greatly expanded upon, great multi cpu support was there from day one(just not utilized), and looking at the original athlon core, I'd say AMD planned to do more with the cache then they actually did.(perhaps as a contigency plan, if athlon sucked compared to p4 they could have just made it a cache heavy architecture that would be expensive to produce, but competitive)

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