What is America's most shameful act in its history?

[StageLeft]

They were allowed to leave (after a while), however many choose to stay.

I wonder how much was because of the anti-japanese sentiment that was probably around back then?

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Rmex

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Rmex

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Rmex
This thread should be renamed to "what is the White man's greatest atrocities in history" instead of what it is now.

Done by White americans =
Slaughter of Native americans = Done by WHITES
Enslavement of African Americans = Done by WHITES
Putting AMERICAN people of Japanese ancestry into CONCENTRATION camps = Done by WHITES
Guantonomo Bay = Done by WHITES
FORCING Native americans off THIER land = Done by WHITES
STEALING Mexican Land in the South west and then slaughtering Mexican/Native Americans [yes we mexicans are mostly native american] = Done by WHITES
Taking advantage of Mexico's poor economy and causing more poverty through NAFTA = Done by WHITES
FORCING Mexican tribes [the southern apaches] in the South west to go to Mexico = Done by WHITES
NUKING Hiroshima & Nagasaki [instead of Berlin or some other WHITE city due to racism] = Done by WHITES

And on and on, dont even ask about Europeans...lol. That would include the HALOCAUST, the crusades and on and on.

Whites are no more inherently evil than any other race. Africans were enslaving themselves before anybody from Europe was. The Japanese were horrific to their POWs in WWII.

NUKING Hiroshima & Nagasaki [instead of Berlin or some other WHITE city due to racism] = Done by WHITES

That's upsetting to see somebody write something so ridiculous. Germany had surrendered by the time the US had the nuke.. So, you can scratch that off your list

I dont like the title since it includes Mexican-americans in that list, and we never did any of that stuff. If anything mexico lost land to the white dominated american government, which then treated Mexican americans like garbage.

So that may be so that whites arnt inherently racist [i know that], but you cant deny that the vast VAST majority of both modern day AND past atrocities were done by whites. And some of those atrocities were done to mexicans by white people, like the Spanish and white americans.

Because Mexico has never committed atrocities?

No it hasnt.

And dont confuse Spaniards with mexicans cause we are not the same, Some mexicans are mixed by having a great great great grandfather who was Spanish but that doesnt make him a Spaniard. Spaniards are white and Mexicans [90% of us] are Native american, and it was the Spaniards that commited the atrocities in Mexico, not mexicans.

Heh. Drug Cartels, widespread government corruption, extremely high poverty rates, wanted to invade America in the Zimmerman letter, raids along Texas border towns, War with Texas, raids along other parts of the US border, extreme pollution into the Rio Grande, Civil War, etc etc etc. Yep, Mexico has never had atrocities to its citizenry or neighbors. Get a clue.

 

[Furyline]

Originally posted by: Rmex

Originally posted by: Mill


Because Mexico has never committed atrocities?

No it hasnt.

And dont confuse Spaniards with mexicans cause we are not the same, Some mexicans are mixed by having a great great great grandfather who was Spanish but that doesnt make him a Spaniard. Spaniards are white and Mexicans [90% of us] are Native american, and it was the Spaniards that commited the atrocities in Mexico, not mexicans.

While it is true that mexicans haven't really done anything bad like genocide since Cortes conquered mexico, don't try to pass off native mexicans as being a peaceful people, never having wars or anything. Pre-cortes, the mexica had a small empire in central america, and conquered states had to pay tribute to the rulers in the form of people for ritual sacrifices. Just saying mexicans aren't completely innocent throughout history.

 

[rufruf44]

Originally posted by: Furyline

Originally posted by: Rmex

Originally posted by: Mill


Because Mexico has never committed atrocities?

No it hasnt.

And dont confuse Spaniards with mexicans cause we are not the same, Some mexicans are mixed by having a great great great grandfather who was Spanish but that doesnt make him a Spaniard. Spaniards are white and Mexicans [90% of us] are Native american, and it was the Spaniards that commited the atrocities in Mexico, not mexicans.

While it is true that mexicans haven't really done anything bad like genocide since Cortes conquered mexico, don't try to pass off native mexicans as being a peaceful people, never having wars or anything. Pre-cortes, the mexica had a small empire in central america, and conquered states had to pay tribute to the rulers in the form of people for ritual sacrifices. Just saying mexicans aren't completely innocent throughout history.

Yep, Aztec are pretty barbaric by any standards with their human sacrifice rituals and their treatment of defeated tribes.

 

[aceO07]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

They were allowed to leave (after a while), however many choose to stay.

I wonder how much was because of the anti-japanese sentiment that was probably around back then?

I wish I got more in dept into my research. I would assume it had a lot to do with them staying. However, it was free and each person got a monthly allowance along with whatever earnings they got from their jobs. Americans were actually complaining that the Japanese got it easy and were living off them. 110k people cost $50k to feed daily.

One interesting quote I found was by J.P. Envoy The taxpayer may wonder how an industrious productive group that has $200,000,000 in property holdings and an annual agricultural production of $100,000,000 in California alone could be changed overnight into wards of the government and guests of the Treasury at a time when the industry and agriculture suffer from a manpower shortage.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Rmex
No it hasnt.

And dont confuse Spaniards with mexicans cause we are not the same, Some mexicans are mixed by having a great great great grandfather who was Spanish but that doesnt make him a Spaniard. Spaniards are white and Mexicans [90% of us] are Native american, and it was the Spaniards that commited the atrocities in Mexico, not mexicans.

*laughs hysterically*

1,000+ human sacrifices every day doesn't ring a bell? How about the enslavement of captive tribes? Or maybe centuries of war purely for the purpose of acquiring slaves and sacrificial victims?

There are no innocent nations or races in history. Not one.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Rmex
This thread should be renamed to "what is the White man's greatest atrocities in history" instead of what it is now.

Done by White americans =
Slaughter of Native americans = Done by WHITES
Enslavement of African Americans = Done by WHITES
Putting AMERICAN people of Japanese ancestry into CONCENTRATION camps = Done by WHITES
Guantonomo Bay = Done by WHITES
FORCING Native americans off THIER land = Done by WHITES
STEALING Mexican Land in the South west and then slaughtering Mexican/Native Americans [yes we mexicans are mostly native american] = Done by WHITES
Taking advantage of Mexico's poor economy and causing more poverty through NAFTA = Done by WHITES
FORCING Mexican tribes [the southern apaches] in the South west to go to Mexico = Done by WHITES
NUKING Hiroshima & Nagasaki [instead of Berlin or some other WHITE city due to racism] = Done by WHITES

And on and on, dont even ask about Europeans...lol. That would include the HALOCAUST, the crusades and on and on.

OK.. You have officially announced to the world that you are a f*cking retard. Particularly since as someone pointed out that you had CONCLUDED that the use of atomic weapons on Japan instead of Germany in WWII was due to racism. That was just such an unbelievably STUPID thing to say...

Let's look at some other atrocities, shall we?

The Killing Fields of Cambodia
The Rape of Nanking
The Cultural Revolution (China)
North Korea
Iraq under Saddam (gassing the Kurds, the Iranians, etc.)
Current situation in the Sudan
Abu Sayyaf in the Philippenes hacking off the heads of hostages
Al-Quaeda crashing airplanes into WTC

Next time THINK before you post. Better yet, just leave...

 

[nan0bug]

Man, I absolutely hate fvcking racists.

Listen you ignorant little sh!t, cause I'm going to give you a history lesson.

Originally posted by: Rmex
This thread should be renamed to "what is the White man's greatest atrocities in history" instead of what it is now.

Done by White americans =
Slaughter of Native americans = Done by WHITES

Ok, so far so good. Except, hispanic people did it too. Depends on your definition of 'white'.

Enslavement of African Americans = Done by WHITES

Err, sorry, wrong answer. Africans were sold into slavery by other Africans. If we wouldn't have bought them someone else would have. Whites had a large part in it, but we're not the only ones who ever held slaves, you know. Portugal started the slave trade. Spain followed suit. Arabians made it very profitable. Before long, pretty much all of europe was into the slave trade. Then America was discovered. The spanish were the first to have slaves in America.

From here

The English settlers of North America only gradually turned to black slavery to solve their labor shortage. Spain brought at least 100,000 Africans to Mexico during the 16th century, but England did not extensively engage in the slave trade until the Royal African Company was established in 1663. Although a trickle of Africans began arriving in English North America in 1619, their status was initially similar to that of the white indentured servants, who remained the backbone of the agricultural labor force until the end of the century. As white workers improved their status during this period, however, both free and bonded blacks were subjected to new laws punishing slave disobedience, prohibiting racial intermarriage, restricting manumission, and otherwise ensuring that the political rights and economic opportunities granted to whites would not be extended to Africans or their descendants.

I'm not trying to downplay the signifigance of slavery that was perpetrated by whites, so don't get the wrong idea. All I'm saying is that whites weren't the first or only people to take part in the African slave trade, and they weren't the last by a long shot. Brazil holds that title.

Putting AMERICAN people of Japanese ancestry into CONCENTRATION camps = Done by WHITES

Done by AMERICA, not just white people, and 'concentration' camps implies the same thing that was done to Jews in Germany. Its a loose fitting term that can be used, but Japanese-Americans were not worked to death, starved, tortured or systematically exterminated. They were jailed and deprived of their rights as Americans, because of the potential threat to the security of the country.

And for the record, Xenophobia isn't just an American pasttime.

Guantonomo Bay = Done by WHITES

I guess there are no black people in the military. Condolezza(?) Rice and Colin Powell are white people in blackface, right? There aren't ANY black people responsible for this. Or hispanics. Uh-huh.

FORCING Native americans off THIER land = Done by WHITES

And spanish, in mexico.

STEALING Mexican Land in the South west and then slaughtering Mexican/Native Americans [yes we mexicans are mostly native american] = Done by WHITES

And the spanish.

Taking advantage of Mexico's poor economy and causing more poverty through NAFTA = Done by WHITES

Done by EVERYONE WHO CHOOSES TO BUY CHEAP FOREIGN GOODS INSTEAD OF AMERICAN MADE GOODS. That means YOU, as well as everyone else. Don't even try to play that card.

FORCING Mexican tribes [the southern apaches] in the South west to go to Mexico = Done by WHITES

Maybe you're right. Maybe it was the Spanish, as well? I'm not entirely sure. European colonization was done by many different nations, not just the British.

NUKING Hiroshima & Nagasaki [instead of Berlin or some other WHITE city due to racism] = Done by WHITES

Rape of Nanking = Done by Japanese. The Japanese committed so many more atrocities than all the allies combined in World War II that this statement is laughable. And, lets get it straight once and for all. Japan was told what would happen if they didn't surrender. The ball was in their court. They made their choice, and recieved the consequences. They were given another chance, made the same choice, and got the same consequences. Oh, and lets not forget that Japan was the one that dragged us into the war in the first place.

And on and on, dont even ask about Europeans...lol. That would include the HALOCAUST, the crusades and on and on.

While we're digging into history I suggest you look into The Khmer Rouge, Japanese war crimes, Violence against whites in Zimbabwe, Dalit genocide, and Rwanda.

Nobody is free and clear, not even Native Americans (Aztec and Inca tribes are considered natives, and they held slaves). So please, before you open your uneducated trap again, check the FACTS. Whites have done some horrible things. So have every other race. If you look at the countries committing human rights violations today (and I mean real human rights violations like gassing people and starving people to death and genocide) you will find that most of the people responsible are NOT white. The past is the past -- learn from it, but stop blaming 'the man' for all your problems, mmmkay?

You should feel blessed that I took the time to write this out. Normally I wouldn't waste my time on an ignorant fvckwit like you.

 

[Savarak]

Originally posted by: LOLyourFace[/iWhat is America's most shameful act in its history?

Voting Bill Clinton into office

 

[nan0bug]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Rmex

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Rmex

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Rmex
This thread should be renamed to "what is the White man's greatest atrocities in history" instead of what it is now.

Done by White americans =
Slaughter of Native americans = Done by WHITES
Enslavement of African Americans = Done by WHITES
Putting AMERICAN people of Japanese ancestry into CONCENTRATION camps = Done by WHITES
Guantonomo Bay = Done by WHITES
FORCING Native americans off THIER land = Done by WHITES
STEALING Mexican Land in the South west and then slaughtering Mexican/Native Americans [yes we mexicans are mostly native american] = Done by WHITES
Taking advantage of Mexico's poor economy and causing more poverty through NAFTA = Done by WHITES
FORCING Mexican tribes [the southern apaches] in the South west to go to Mexico = Done by WHITES
NUKING Hiroshima & Nagasaki [instead of Berlin or some other WHITE city due to racism] = Done by WHITES

And on and on, dont even ask about Europeans...lol. That would include the HALOCAUST, the crusades and on and on.

Whites are no more inherently evil than any other race. Africans were enslaving themselves before anybody from Europe was. The Japanese were horrific to their POWs in WWII.

NUKING Hiroshima & Nagasaki [instead of Berlin or some other WHITE city due to racism] = Done by WHITES

That's upsetting to see somebody write something so ridiculous. Germany had surrendered by the time the US had the nuke.. So, you can scratch that off your list

I dont like the title since it includes Mexican-americans in that list, and we never did any of that stuff. If anything mexico lost land to the white dominated american government, which then treated Mexican americans like garbage.

So that may be so that whites arnt inherently racist [i know that], but you cant deny that the vast VAST majority of both modern day AND past atrocities were done by whites. And some of those atrocities were done to mexicans by white people, like the Spanish and white americans.

Because Mexico has never committed atrocities?

No it hasnt.

And dont confuse Spaniards with mexicans cause we are not the same, Some mexicans are mixed by having a great great great grandfather who was Spanish but that doesnt make him a Spaniard. Spaniards are white and Mexicans [90% of us] are Native american, and it was the Spaniards that commited the atrocities in Mexico, not mexicans.

Heh. Drug Cartels, widespread government corruption, extremely high poverty rates, wanted to invade America in the Zimmerman letter, raids along Texas border towns, War with Texas, raids along other parts of the US border, extreme pollution into the Rio Grande, Civil War, etc etc etc. Yep, Mexico has never had atrocities to its citizenry or neighbors. Get a clue.

Lets not forget that whole Machismo thing, that lets guys in Mexico get away with rape and beating their wives TO THIS DAY.

 

[Sahakiel]

Institution and promotion of democracy and capitalism.

If you can't understand why, I suggest getting a high school diploma.

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: nan0bug
Man, I absolutely hate fvcking racists.

Listen you ignorant little sh!t, cause I'm going to give you a history lesson.

Rant removed to save space

You should feel blessed that I took the time to write this out. Normally I wouldn't waste my time on an ignorant fvckwit like you.

LoL i think you should recalibrate that old sarcasm meter.

 

[SirWoj]

The targeting of civilians was done long before WWII, most notably during Sherman's march to the sea during the Civil War. Total War, the best way to destroy the morale and backbone of the enemy.

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: SirWoj
The targeting of civilians was done long before WWII, most notably during Sherman's march to the sea during the Civil War. Total War, the best way to destroy the morale and backbone of the enemy.

Even before that countries have burnet and pilliaged other countries.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: nan0bug
Man, I absolutely hate fvcking racists.

Listen you ignorant little sh!t, cause I'm going to give you a history lesson.

Rant removed to save space

You should feel blessed that I took the time to write this out. Normally I wouldn't waste my time on an ignorant fvckwit like you.

LoL i think you should recalibrate that old sarcasm meter.

Sarcasm? That guy who posted that racist vomit needs to be removed from AT.

 

[cthulhu]

The treatment of Native Americans by the US government.

 

[SackOfAllTrades]

That one Cubs fan.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: SirWoj
The targeting of civilians was done long before WWII, most notably during Sherman's march to the sea during the Civil War. Total War, the best way to destroy the morale and backbone of the enemy.

Even before that countries have burnet and pilliaged other countries.

Including civilians in war goes back to the very beginnings of humanity. Some anthropologists have argued that the purpose of warfare amongst humans is to increase and strengthen the gene pool (to the victor go the spoils, i.e. rape). Every war throughout all of human history has been followed by a baby boom.

Which is the great threshold that humanity now stands before. War is no longer necessary for the propagation of our species. We no longer need to raid neighboring villages, tribes, or nations to increase the gene pool or acquire resources. We can freely travel to, communicate with, and trade for all that we need or desire. Thanks to the technological advances brought to you mostly by "whitey", the opportunity for world peace is finally at hand. But if instead we insist on digging up the old greviences and hatred, and decide to maintain the old ways of warfare, we could just destroy our entire species instead, as that too is now easily within our power.
You decide.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Sahakiel
Institution and promotion of democracy and capitalism.

If you can't understand why, I suggest getting a high school diploma.

Translation: "I have no logical reasoning to back up my asinine claims so I am going to attempt to belittle and bully other people into agreement since I think they are every bit as simple-minded and stupid as I am."

Take your argument from intimidation and go home, child. Come back when you have rational reasons.

ZV

 

[Bosshawk1]

The Native American situation was probably the worst situation in regards to this continent. However, what most people seem to forget is that The United States of America had very little to do in the entire scope of things. Before the United States was formed that had been going on for over 200 years; Spanish, French, Russian, British were all involved. You could effectively say it started with Columbus's initial voyage and the diseases brought over.
Sure the Trail of Tears, early 1800 actions were sorry, but the Natives were essentially out the door by that point anyway. I would consider a shameful act by America to at least be something after 1776.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: LAUST
One of my fathers's best friends is a native American named Red Hawk. He is an artist and made a painting called "Trail of Broken Promises" it's a painting of an Indian made of of all the lies and treaties the US gov agreed with the Indians on then broke.

The list is much longer then most people today think.

Edit: lookin for a pic now, if not my father has a copy, I'll see if he can scan it in sometime

I agree.

Our genocide of the Native Americans is pretty high up there.

 

[SherEPunjab]

a) Slavery of blacks
b) Extermination and Native Americans and their culture. Even today we have failed to address the problems they have.

 

[Martin]

Pot,

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Nothing. The past is the past, to be ashamed of it is to be grasping at it and keeping it a part of ourselves. The past needs to be left behind.

ZV

meet Kettle.

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Sahakiel
Institution and promotion of democracy and capitalism.

If you can't understand why, I suggest getting a high school diploma.

Translation: "I have no logical reasoning to back up my asinine claims so I am going to attempt to belittle and bully other people into agreement since I think they are every bit as simple-minded and stupid as I am."

Take your argument from intimidation and go home, child. Come back when you have rational reasons.

ZV

I'm sure the two of your will get along wonderfully.

 

[SuperMachoMan]

Originally posted by: aceO07

Originally posted by: Skoorb

They were allowed to leave (after a while), however many choose to stay.

I wonder how much was because of the anti-japanese sentiment that was probably around back then?

I wish I got more in dept into my research. I would assume it had a lot to do with them staying. However, it was free and each person got a monthly allowance along with whatever earnings they got from their jobs. Americans were actually complaining that the Japanese got it easy and were living off them. 110k people cost $50k to feed daily.

One interesting quote I found was by J.P. Envoy The taxpayer may wonder how an industrious productive group that has $200,000,000 in property holdings and an annual agricultural production of $100,000,000 in California alone could be changed overnight into wards of the government and guests of the Treasury at a time when the industry and agriculture suffer from a manpower shortage.

The vast majority of Japanese Americans at the time were either farmers or small businessmen. They were given very little notice before being hauled off, thus many of them had to forfeit all of their land and property (or sell it at a pittance). Although racism was prevalent on the West Coast, the fact of the matter is that many of them had no place to go back to. Imagine having your home seized and then thrown into a camp for three years. Where would you go when they said one day "you are free to go"?

That being said, I think you are overstating things a bit when you say :many" chose to stay.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Bosshawk1
The Native American situation was probably the worst situation in regards to this continent. However, what most people seem to forget is that The United States of America had very little to do in the entire scope of things. Before the United States was formed that had been going on for over 200 years; Spanish, French, Russian, British were all involved. You could effectively say it started with Columbus's initial voyage and the diseases brought over.
Sure the Trail of Tears, early 1800 actions were sorry, but the Natives were essentially out the door by that point anyway. I would consider a shameful act by America to at least be something after 1776.

Hmmm... That's an interesting perspective.

I completely agree with you, I just never thought about it like that...

What exactly was going on here in the ~250 year between Columbus and the USA being formed? Just general chaos and warring? lol...

Well still, we certainly didn't help them.