What is an engineer?

[gorcorps]

If you degree doesn't say engineering anywhere on it, you are not an engineer.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: JohnCU


there is no such thing as a combat engineer. they do not offer PEs in combat engineering.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/engineer

dictionary.com disagrees. Check #4.

I was only making a joke in my first post. Then saw you got all snooty with everyone.

Originally posted by: JohnCU

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: JohnCU

k. whatever, i still have a BSEE and can get a job wherever i want. so i have some advantage.

That is completely irrelevant information. This discussion isn't about your ability to find a job, it's about the legitimacy of people calling themselves "engineers".

You're just being childish, sort of like the kid that likes to horde all the toys. "No, that title's MINE, you can't use it!!!"

yes, the title is mine, because i suffered through classes like electromagnetics and statics and advanced engineering calculus. the others didn't.

You dont know the meaning of suffering. Sitting in an air conditioned class, at a major university, with hot chicks all around, is not the meaning of suffering. I can give you several examples that are far worse, and still doing engineer work.

Quick, give me the amount and type of explosive to blow up 27 AK's, three AT mines, 7 bags of fertilizer, 12 RPG's, 5 pressure plates, 14 mortars, and 8 155's. Oh, and dont forget to give me the standoff for both covered and uncovered. Also how to place the charges. Dont forget to take into account the det cord, and blasting caps.

You see, there are many different types of engineers. There are your type, and several others. We have to do construction too. Know how to build pretty much anything, with all types of material. Design, and build.We get to build stuff, and blow stuff up.

You have a PC, pen, paper, some rulers, maybe even an eraser on the rare occasion that you make a mistake. I have other equipment.

http://i29.tinypic.com/2zoyo86.jpg

Mine detector, mine probes, E-tool, weapon, flak jacket, etc... I may not have a PE, but have to wear full PPE.

I cant do your job, and you cant do mine. Certainly not physically. Get over yourself, and your self righteous attitude.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Safeway

So what this say is:

1) ABET-accredited degree should not be an Engineer unless coupled with proper experience.
2) PE license gets you the Engineer title.
3) No formal degree, no Engineering title.
4) People continue to call themselves Engineers even though it is illegal.

As I said before, this only governs industries relating to professional engineering (such as mechanical engineering, etc). The ABET is an accreditation board (obviously) that governs its relevant industries. It is not an authoritative organization for industries other than its own, and from this point the argument becomes one of jurisdiction. It only covers the disciplines known as "professional engineers" link. It doesn't cover the myriad other jobs that have "engineer" in the title but are not PE's.

If you look at ABET and its history you'll see that it was formed to only cover those industries.

Please look at wiki's article about it: link

To sum up this post, your requirements cover PE's, nothing else. Those rules and that organization are not authoritative over other, not PE industries.

 

[imported_Imp]

This thread again, huh...

I'd say it's someone who solves problems with science or empirical methods, while considering the big picture (e.g. social, environmental, etc.).

The degree is a very shiny badge.

 

[TecHNooB]

A good engineer must not only know the math, but be able to build it as well. That's it!

There are plenty of people without engineering degrees who can put things together very well.

There are people with degrees who can only do the math and are clueless about the actual construction.

There are also plenty of people without degrees who can pull off the math necessary to do whatever they want.

There are people with degrees (usually bachelors from what I've seen) who can't do shit and barely passed their classes.

So... like I said in the beginning. Build it, and know everything about it. Well.

 

[iGas]

Controversies over the term Engineer

What is an engineer?

IMHO an engineer is one with ingenuity. However the majority of people that call them self engineer can't think or built them self out of the box.

And the sad part is that society have given ANSI, CSA, ISO, P.E. Associations, etc.... way too much power therefor their arrogant wanted people to stop using the title engineer, and in some instant hampered productivities & innovations.

 

[Engineer]

<--------- The one and only!

 

[IronWing]

A scientist wannabee who couldn't hack thinking.

 

[vshah]

i went to carnegie mellon and did electrical/computer engineering. am I an engineer?

 

[Leros]

Originally posted by: jteef
i like the Calc 3 definition.

I am one of 2 real engineers in an office with 100 others who call themselves engineers and they dont even know what a cosine is, much less a secant or an integral.

I dunno about the calculus definition. I took calc 1-3 in high school and I can assure you that most of the people in that class did not become engineers.

 

[MotF Bane]

It's an overused title.

 

[Jumpem]

Computer Science = Software Engineer.

 

[dighn]

Originally posted by: ironwing
A scientist wannabee who couldn't hack thinking.

lmao :thumbsup:

went through computer engineering myself and I agree somewhat.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: ironwing
A scientist wannabee who couldn't hack thinking.

Ohhh snap.

 

[Engineer]

I don't give a shit if you place Engineer on my title or not as long as I get paid. You can call me Electrical / Controls Janitor for all I give a shit as long as I get paid!

Had a guy that hired in under the "Technician" title, even though he had an "Engineering" degree. He told our boss that he would take a pay cut if he could get the title, lol!

 

[Leros]

Originally posted by: Engineer
I don't give a shit if you place Engineer on my title or not as long as I get paid. You can call me Electrical / Controls Janitor for all I give a shit as long as I get paid!

But.. but.. but... your username is Engineer

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Leros

Originally posted by: Engineer
I don't give a shit if you place Engineer on my title or not as long as I get paid. You can call me Electrical / Controls Janitor for all I give a shit as long as I get paid!

But.. but.. but... your username is Engineer

and with that, no matter what my job title is, I'll always be "THE Engineer" and my user Profile number is 1337! :Q

 

[sao123]

your all fvcking wrong.

An Engineer is the person who drives the train.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: sao123
your all fvcking wrong.

An Engineer is the person who drives the train.

I don't drive a train! :|

 

[ch33kym0use]

Dictionary, for definition. I use one. I always use one to get to the real meaning of words. It's a mouse thing to do.

 

[JohnCU]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: JohnCU


there is no such thing as a combat engineer. they do not offer PEs in combat engineering.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/engineer

dictionary.com disagrees. Check #4.

I was only making a joke in my first post. Then saw you got all snooty with everyone.

Originally posted by: JohnCU

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: JohnCU

k. whatever, i still have a BSEE and can get a job wherever i want. so i have some advantage.

That is completely irrelevant information. This discussion isn't about your ability to find a job, it's about the legitimacy of people calling themselves "engineers".

You're just being childish, sort of like the kid that likes to horde all the toys. "No, that title's MINE, you can't use it!!!"

yes, the title is mine, because i suffered through classes like electromagnetics and statics and advanced engineering calculus. the others didn't.

You dont know the meaning of suffering. Sitting in an air conditioned class, at a major university, with hot chicks all around, is not the meaning of suffering. I can give you several examples that are far worse, and still doing engineer work.

Quick, give me the amount and type of explosive to blow up 27 AK's, three AT mines, 7 bags of fertilizer, 12 RPG's, 5 pressure plates, 14 mortars, and 8 155's. Oh, and dont forget to give me the standoff for both covered and uncovered. Also how to place the charges. Dont forget to take into account the det cord, and blasting caps.

You see, there are many different types of engineers. There are your type, and several others. We have to do construction too. Know how to build pretty much anything, with all types of material. Design, and build.We get to build stuff, and blow stuff up.

You have a PC, pen, paper, some rulers, maybe even an eraser on the rare occasion that you make a mistake. I have other equipment.

http://i29.tinypic.com/2zoyo86.jpg

Mine detector, mine probes, E-tool, weapon, flak jacket, etc... I may not have a PE, but have to wear full PPE.

I cant do your job, and you cant do mine. Certainly not physically. Get over yourself, and your self righteous attitude.

who gives a flying fuck how much stuff you know? there are plenty of people who know a lot of stuff and they aren't engineers.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Jumpem
Computer Science = Software Engineer.

A lot of people think, computer science = code monkey != engineer.

EDIT: I'm not one of them.

 

[drinkmorejava]

Bureau of Labor Statistics:
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos027.htm

Engineers apply the principles of science and mathematics to develop economical solutions to technical problems. Their work is the link between scientific discoveries and the commercial applications that meet societal and consumer needs.


The list does not include Comp Sci, Computer Hardware counts though.

...
Many engineers develop new products. During this process, they consider several factors. For example, in developing an industrial robot, engineers precisely specify the functional requirements; design and test the robot?s components; integrate the components to produce the final design; and evaluate the design?s overall effectiveness, cost, reliability, and safety. This process applies to the development of many different products, such as chemicals, computers, power plants, helicopters, and toys.

In addition to design and development, many engineers work in testing, production, or maintenance. These engineers supervise production in factories, determine the causes of component failure, and test manufactured products to maintain quality. They also estimate the time and cost to complete projects. Supervisory engineers are responsible for major components or entire projects. (See the statement on engineering and natural sciences managers elsewhere in the Handbook.)

Engineers use computers extensively to produce and analyze designs; to simulate and test how a machine, structure, or system operates; to generate specifications for parts; and to monitor product quality and control process efficiency. Nanotechnology, which involves the creation of high-performance materials and components by integrating atoms and molecules, also is introducing entirely new principles to the design process.

Most engineers specialize. Following are details on the 17 engineering specialties covered in the Federal Government?s Standard Occupational Classification (SOC) system. Numerous other specialties are recognized by professional societies, and each of the major branches of engineering has numerous subdivisions. Civil engineering, for example, includes structural and transportation engineering, and materials engineering includes ceramic, metallurgical, and polymer engineering. Engineers also may specialize in one industry, such as motor vehicles, or in one type of technology, such as turbines or semiconductor materials.

 

[Leros]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Jumpem
Computer Science = Software Engineer.

A lot of people think, computer science = code monkey != engineer.

EDIT: I'm not one of them.

Some people who write software are actually inventing new things. I think those people are software engineers. People who write standard software are code monkeys.

 

[lxskllr]

I personally reserve the term engineer for people that have a professional engineers license, otherwise your a technician. I've known plenty of un-papered people that could run circles around the professionals, but they still aren't engineers.