What is CAS in relation to memory?

Livin4Real

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I keep seeing specs next to memory that look something like PC100CAS222 or3-2-2 what are the numbers for?
 

Bozo Galora

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What's CAS and latency?
CAS2 & CAS3


The reason why this stuff is so hyped is because any hardware site you go to,
and some stores as well, have banners that say "Overclock your computer to 133
mhz!! We have the best CAS 2 and CAS 3 modules!!!" Well, time to clarify the
hype.
What CAS 2 and 3 actually denote is the time it takes to transfer data
internally from the memory bank to the output buffer running at 100 MHz. It is
measured in clock cycles (2 or 3). So you can first see that CAS 2 is "faster"
than CAS 3. There is a simple formula to figuring out CAS latency that I
learned somewhere on the web:

CAS latency > Column access time (ns) / System clock cycle (ns)

Okay, this reads CAS latency must be equal or greater than the column access
time divided by the system clock cycle. (This is important for what I'm about
to say, I swear.) So using some easy numbers, let's say your column access
time is 20 ns, and your system clock cycle is 10 ns. (By the way, system clock
cycle is the measurement that we use like 8ns or 10 ns RAM, to put things in
perspective.) So with these numbers, CAS has to be greater than or equal to 2.
So CAS can be 2. If the column access time went up, say to 30 ns, then CAS
would have to be 3.
Now why is this relevant? Because it lets you see how much margin you have
when you are overclocking your bus speed. SDRAM can only be CAS 1, 2, or 3.
Now imagine you have a module that is CAS 2 RAM at 100 MHz, and another one
that is CAS 3 at 100 MHz. The difference is going to be as the system bus MHz
increases. At 112, they may retain their latencies, so you still have 2
modules, CAS 2 and a CAS 3. At 125 MHz, the CAS 2 will become a CAS 3.
Remember the way to figure this out is by the equation above. The number that
changes as we bump up the system bus MHz is the system clock. As bus speed
rises, system clock cycle speed in ns decreases. The CAS 3 module remains at
CAS 3. In this example, then, both modules are CAS 3 at 125 MHz, which means
that spending extra money on a CAS 2 module is not worth it, because there is
no performance benefit. But if you bump up the bus to 133 MHz, then the
original CAS 2 module stays at CAS 3, whereas the CAS 3 module becomes CAS
4...but it can't, since we are limited only to latencies of 1,2, or 3. Thus
the original CAS 3 module can't run at 133 MHz.
Now that was just an example, but it may be true for some RAM types that are
CAS 3 at 100 MHz, and remain CAS 3 at 112 MHz, but cannot go any further
beyond that. I have such a module at home. This is why for extreme
overclocking, CAS 2 is a necessary component, but also remember that
overclocking is really a great deal of luck. You need to have very fast (and
blessed) L2 cache. That is overclocking's main limitation, not the system
memory. For people who only wish to OC to 112 MHz, you probably have a good
deal of flexibility with RAM, as many PC100 modules can handle a 112 MHz
speed. May your L2 chips be blessed!
 

Livin4Real

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Clear as mud. Just kidding.Now i know why it took so long for someone to respond. But I don't understand the reason for the three number spec i.e.3-2-2 or 2-2-2. I keep seeing it next to memory sticks for sale on here.
 

Ulysses

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In your BIOS setup program, which can be run at startup, you will find three parameters for CAS & RAS settings related to RAM (there are other settings related to memory as well). On my board they are:

SDRAM CAS Latency
SDRAM RAS# TO CAS# Delay
SDRAM RAS# Precharge

You can change the values for these parameters, and the lower the values, then the faster the RAM will perform. The fastest setting is 2-2-2; the slowest is 3-3-3 (which is the default value in most cases).

If the values for these parameters are too low for the memory module and memory bus speed you are using, then the system will be unstable and it will be necessary to increase the values.

When RAM is sold as CAS 2 certified, or 2-2-2 or similar notation, this means that it will run stably at the specified speed with your BIOS settings at 2-2-2. If you run your system at higher memory bus speeds than that then you may have to move up to 3-3-3 to maintain stability.

I have one modestly performing but stable 440BX-based PC that uses generic PC100 SDRAM. That memory is made by the same company that makes what is regarded by some as the best available today, my mine is not CAS 2 rated. In practice that PC can be overclocked to 103 MHz FSB @ 2-2-2. It can only be overclocked to 112 MHz FSB if I change the BIOS settings to 3-3-3. The resulting increase in CAS latency is offset by the faster FSB, according to benchmarks I've run so I use 112 and 3-3-3.
 
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