What is dangerous levels of RF?

hasu

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I am noticing RF pulses of power density approximately 34W/m^2 at home. I don't know the source, but we have a cell tower nearby and I was suspecting that. Is that normal? What would be labelled as dangerously high levels of RF? Even this is causing severe ear/head ringing for the last several weeks. I started noticing this only about 6 weeks ago, might have been there before but I never bothered to measure.

Where can I file a complaint about this? I called AG's office but they don't deal with this sort of thing.

Thanks!
 

Red Squirrel

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That seems kind of high but I'm honestly not familiar with what a normal reading should be. Turn off your power and see if you get the same reading. It will rule out a device inside your house doing it. Most home devices like routers are only going to be transmitting at like 5w though so it's technically impossible to get such a high wattage per square meter from any of those devices unless your head is like right next to it, and even then.

Even cell towers transmit at around 40w so by the time it gets to you it will be very small due to spread.
 

hasu

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Thanks for the reply!

These are kind of pulses, and doesn't last very long -- I would guess less than a second (and may be much smaller). Do you know where I can file a complaint?
 

Murloc

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maybe you can look up the regulations and permissions. See if such an instantaneous power density is within the legal limits (assuming you measured it correctly).

IIRC most rules were about average exposure but they updated them to deal with the fact that 5G antennas can do beamforming to send power only where needed, so the maths got more complicated and exposure depends on actual use.

Any kind of legal telephone antenna likely does not reach dangerously high levels of RF since they have to respect usually prudent regulations.
AFAIK scientifically it's hard to prove adverse effects of long-time exposure. Short-time, it's mostly standing in front of strong radars or inside microwave ovens that could have an effect.

I second the recommendation of shutting down any and all electricity in your house (devices, phone and mains electricity) before doing a new measurement, as you need to exclude internal sources.
 

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Did you factor in the Hzs? 34W per square meter! you should be able to recharge your phone with this kind of radiation. Also, your excited bodily molecules need less energy to feel confortable. Think saving on your heating cost. and stuff.
 

Red Squirrel

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Come to think of it, it could be fun to make an antenna that is tuned to the frequency, you probably actually can pickup some usable power out of that.

Heard of people living near AM towers where their bulbs basically stay lit even when turned off because they pickup some RF energy lol.

I don't know if I'd want to live within such high levels of RF myself, I'd worry about long term effects.
 

hasu

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Come to think of it, it could be fun to make an antenna that is tuned to the frequency, you probably actually can pickup some usable power out of that.

Heard of people living near AM towers where their bulbs basically stay lit even when turned off because they pickup some RF energy lol.

I don't know if I'd want to live within such high levels of RF myself, I'd worry about long term effects.
I said that to one of my friends as a joke, who said the problem is not the RF but that I am measuring and thinking about it. But as he said Solar might be much better and easier option. These are very short pulses.
 

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Come to think of it, it could be fun to make an antenna that is tuned to the frequency, you probably actually can pickup some usable power out of that.

Heard of people living near AM towers where their bulbs basically stay lit even when turned off because they pickup some RF energy lol.

I don't know if I'd want to live within such high levels of RF myself, I'd worry about long term effects.


Yet you are putting solar panel on your roof, that just attracts radiation!
 

hasu

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Yet you are putting solar panel on your roof, that just attracts radiation!
What do you mean? How can Solar Panel attract radiation?

These are very high energy pulses.

If these are purposely made and controlled by people it is incredible technology. Very narrow spread - - 3-4 inch max, and directed exactly on your head, even if you are in the basement. If the pulse width is very small you won't be able to detect it with common devices either. The pulse can be delivered from a low flying airplane or a parked car on the street.
 
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sdifox

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What do you mean? How can Solar Panel attract radiation?

These are very high energy pulses.

If these are purposely made and controlled by people it is incredible technology. Very narrow spread - - 3-4 inch max, and directed exactly on your head, even if you are in the basement. If the pulse width is very small you won't be able to detect it with common devices either. The pulse can be delivered from a low flying airplane or a parked car on the street.


LoL those are jokes compared to sunlight. 1350W/m²

 

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It's non-ionizing radiation. OSHA standards are 10 mW/cm^2. If I'm doing my lurker math right, you're at 3.4 mW/cm^2
 
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Red Squirrel

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Microwave ovens are also non ionizing, you can't dismiss the danger just on that alone. Sun radiation is also very dangerous at long exposures, I'm a ginger I would know that. You also don't want to look at it for too long, or at all during a partial eclipse (eye thinks it's darker so iris opens more). Also solar panels don't "attract" radiation, the radiation is there regardless. Actual danger is determined by lot of factors though such as frequency and power. Power alone is not enough nor is frequency alone. Lot of people are afraid of 5G because of the very high frequencies but it actually transmits at less power than 4G.

That said I don't know if the amount OP is getting is actually dangerous or not, it just seems rather high. The fact that it's pulses might make it less dangerous though. Wonder what kind of frequencies or power levels smart meters work at, maybe it's that? I would imagine the source has to be fairly close by. I'm still curious to know if it goes away when turning power off. That would not rule out the power meter since it will still be operating but it would rule out a device inside the house.

Airplanes MIGHT be a source too, ADSB transmits in the 100's of watts I believe in pulses about once a second. Not sure if that is powerful enough to be achieving 34w/m^2 though by the time it spreads out from their altitude. It's a rather unidirectional signal so the power dissipates quickly. it's why they transmit at such high power. Same with FM/AM stations they transmit in the kw range.

What kind of equipment is being used to measure this, is it a portable setup? I would bring it to different locations just to compare values.
 
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