I have been lead to believe ivermectin is a horse deworming medicine that whack job charlatans push as a cure for Covid. This link suggests a different story:
Any thoughts?
Any thoughts?
Now you did it. People are going to start picking up land mines and eating them now. (slang for dog poo).Separately, meta study indicated that in selected regions with high prevalence of worms in humans, ivermectin did improve statistical outcomes on COVID - which is a rather logical outcome. (While it has no benefit otherwise).
Ivermectin may help covid-19 patients, but only those with worms
An anti-parasite drug’s benefit is limited to places with lots of parasiteswww.economist.com
Vaccines work better and have statistically insignificant risk of death. We have like a gajillion data points to prove it too....Any thoughts?
Here is their table #2, with a focus on the Quality of Evidence. This table compares Ivermectin as treatment to no Ivermectin. Then see table 4 for Ivermectin as preventative (hint: all data was either low quality or not reported).I have been lead to believe ivermectin is a horse deworming medicine that whack job charlatans push as a cure for Covid. This link suggests a different story:
Any thoughts?
| Outcomes | Quality of the evidence (GRADE) |
| Death from any cause | Moderate† |
| Recovery time to negative PCR test, in days | Very low†,‡,§ |
| Time to clinical recovery, in days (outpatients) | Very low†,‡,§ |
| Time to clinical recovery, in days (mild to moderate COVID-19 inpatients) | Very low†,¶ |
| Time to clinical recovery, in days (severe COVID-19 inpatients) | Very low†,¶ |
| Admission to ICU | Very low¶,║¦ |
| Need for mechanical ventilation | Low§,║ |
| Length of hospital stay, in days | Very low†,¶ |
| Admission to hospital | Very low†,¶ |
| Improvement (mild to moderate COVID-19)* | Low†,‡ |
| Deterioration (any disease severity) | Low†,‡ |
| Serious adverse events | Low†,‡ |
How about you?
Yes, there is a concerted effort to discredit scientific consensus. That isn't conspiratorial, that has happened and continues to happen despite the perpetrators being caught red-handed many many times over the past few decades. It happened with lead. It happened with cigarettes, It happened with global warming and it is happening again with the pandemic. The fact that you would say "Like economists, scientists are looking more and more to be speaking with two hands. There is no such thing as a straight answer" just shows that their efforts are working on you.Ivermectin is the new hydroxychloroquine, take 2
A few months ago, Scott Gavura wrote about how the veterinary deworming drug ivermectin has become the new hydroxychloroquine in that it is being promoted as a highly effective treatment against COVIDsciencebasedmedicine.org
Am simply fascinated by what seems like grasping at straws appears to be taken so seriously. I find it provocatively interesting in trying to reach any level of certainty on matters that are quite serious, and have political ramifications, how seemingly muddled so many of them seem to become.
As someone, in my opinion, at least, long resigned to the supposition we are fucked, I find myself neither interested in or reject I’ve of end time scenarios for lack of better word. But I am curious about what is going on in people’s heads.
if I wanted to get conspiratorial myself, I might suggest there is a big effort being made behind the scenes to discredit any sense of credibility or authority, and here specifically, that science itself might have.
Like economists, scientists are looking more and more to be speaking with two hands. There is no such thing as a straight answer.
I thing that might well imply some sort of psychological motivation from which a market for distortion will arise.
If I were to go down that rabbit hole I would put the following on a list of suspects. The Chinese, the Russians, religion, the Republican Party, and industries with bottom lines threatened by facts or sales threatened by intelligent thinking.
You're still searching for a way to justify your belief in snake oil.Any thoughts?
Yes, there is a concerted effort to discredit scientific consensus. That isn't conspiratorial, that has happened and continues to happen despite the perpetrators being caught red-handed many many times over the past few decades. It happened with lead. It happened with cigarettes, It happened with global warming and it is happening again with the pandemic. The fact that you would say "Like economists, scientists are looking more and more to be speaking with two hands. There is no such thing as a straight answer" just shows that their efforts are working on you.
No they don't. One party operates on facts and the other operates on pure, unadulterated bullshit.... It works on a great many people and has gone so far as to make us appreciate that our two political parties operate on two entirely separate sets of facts. ...
PS: Gorski?, the guy in the second link, didn’t want to have to deal with what he feels was just old bullshit shined up, but he did. There is also the issue of exhaustion. This guy stayed rational. Appreciate @dullard above for that.How about you?
No they don't. One party operates on facts and the other operates on pure, unadulterated bullshit.
Stop acting like everything is unknowable.Who is to say that you are right, and they are wrong?
The verifiable experiments that validates reality, every single time.Who is to say that you are right, and they are wrong?
It will be Interesting what the results of the research from Duke University turn out to be.You're still searching for a way to justify your belief in snake oil.
It will be interesting to watch you ignore the results should they not go your way.It will be Interesting what the results of the research from Duke University turn out to be.
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For a very long time experimental observations of the orbit of Mercury validated Newtonian mechanics. Then for a while they couldn’t be explained. Re-evaluation had to take place. In situations of questioning and flux, there are those who come up with absurd ideas and people whose reputations or ideological suppositions are wedded to the old way of thinking. Truth will most likely appeared to those not attached emotionally to any one thing but seek factual data to back up even ideas that at first may seem ridiculous. Personally I think the number of folk who are essentially emotionally open to going toward or away from accepted wisdom is far less than those who imagine they are like that. I am a believer that bias can easily infect high places.The verifiable experiments that validates reality, every single time.
I mean I could forego all that and just jump on the jew space lasers train… If the sex goes up with the crazy theres alot of fun to be had on that side… hmmmm
But why would there be bias? Is the idea that the $200 billion mega corporation that would be sitting on a gold mine if ivermectin were effective decided it wasn’t because it was wedded to conventional wisdom or hated Trump or something?For a very long time experimental observations of the orbit of Mercury validated Newtonian mechanics. Then for a while they couldn’t be explained. Re-evaluation had to take place. In situations of questioning and flux, there are those who come up with absurd ideas and people whose reputations or ideological suppositions are wedded to the old way of thinking. Truth will most likely appeared to those not attached emotionally to any one thing but seek factual data to back up even ideas that at first may seem ridiculous. Personally I think the number of folk who are essentially emotionally open to going toward or away from accepted wisdom is far less than those who imagine they are like that. I am a believer that bias can easily infect high places.