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Moonbeam

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The only difference between you and I is that I'm not willing to waste a single second more of my life entertaining professional liars

I feel the same way. Unfortunately, however that seems like a pipe dream because they and just plain old ignorant opinions are everywhere. But in the case I was trying to make to you here this good advice does not have much to do with what I am trying to say. What I was trying to address is HOW we come to group one person as a professional liar and someone else a qualified authority. What I am looking at is my own personal process and in the case of Ivermectin madness my first impulse was my typical unconscious mechanicality to
categorize it all as bullshit and lies. Exposure to what the claims of what others were thinking caused me to pause and question. So:

You may be convinced they possess some nugget of truth somewhere if only we look hard enough, but I am convinced that we can find thousands of those exact same nuggets elsewhere without getting covered by shit in the process.
There was no nugget of wisdom in anything they had to say that was there for me to mine. The gem was all inside me. I learned, relearned, was reminded again of my desire to sleep, to assume the worst of others and to flatter myself as to my own rectitude and superiority. I am reminded of this by anything to which I take offense, that there are unconscious needs that drive me that are hard to see. Any time I am triggered by something I know the problem is not with what triggers, but that that is the effect on me. I am the source, it is not out there. Criticism, judgmentalism is a disease. Whatever triggers it has something to teach you, I believe.
 

dank69

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... Any time I am triggered by something I know the problem is not with what triggers, but that that is the effect on me. I am the source, it is not out there. Criticism, judgmentalism is a disease. Whatever triggers it has something to teach you, I believe.
This seems false to me. Suppose I see a child being abused and that triggers rage in me. The source of that rage is in me? The problem is not with the abuser? I should try to change myself so that it does not bother me? Being judgmental of the abuser is a disease?
 
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Moonbeam

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I believe the point was that you are behaving like a JW by trying to convey points that nobody is interested in hearing even after those folks have made that abundantly clear multiple times and asked you to stop "ringing the doorbell".

And kindly skip the reply if it's just going to be more aimless rambling.

You should make up your mind if you want to save me from suicide or help me get there.
 
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Moonbeam

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This seems false to me. Suppose I see a child being abused and that triggers rage in me. The source of that rage is in me? The problem is not with the abuser? I should try to change myself so that it does not bother me? Being judgmental of the abuser is a disease?
The only thing required in that moment is that you act. Rage is also often accompanied by the adjective ‘blind’ and not without reason.

The only advantage I can see for your moral outrage toward child abuse would be some sort of fear about your moral certainty, some sense that the rage is required to protect yourself from becoming the abused. And I do not think I am any different than you. But if I were to be able to transcend my personal connections to such a situation I would set my actions to end the abuse right now and right up to the level of a cold blooded killer.

I need nothing to tell me that child abuse is wrong. I am absolutely as certain of that as I am of some other things you have seen me express.
 
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dank69

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The only thing required in that moment is that you act. Rage is also often accompanied by the adjective ‘blind’ and not without reason.

The only advantage I can see for your moral outrage toward child abuse would be some sort of fear about your moral certainty, some sense that the rage is required to protect yourself from becoming the abused. And I do not think I am any different than you. But if I were to be able to transcend my personal connections to such a situation I would set my actions to end the abuse right now and right up to the level of a cold blooded killer.

I need nothing to tell me that child abuse is wrong. I am absolutely as certain of that as I am of some other things you have seen me express.
This isn't the first time you flat out do not answer the questions asked of you. Why bother conversing at all? Write a blog somewhere if you aren't interested in a two-way conversation.
 
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Moonbeam

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More studies revealing that early positive results for Ivermectin were peer reviewed and not flawed out of I’ll intent.

 

Pohemi

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All fall short of Perfection. Allow yourself to be Wrong and move on.
He's never wrong, you just don't understand because you were put down as a child and and and...welp, you know the rest, you've only read it 10,000 times here
 
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Iron Woode

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Day late and a dollar short. I have explained that all of your good and true points have nothing to do with the issue I am trying to get to which, owing to the nature of biased and conditioned thinking that bias and conditioning will make the point I am trying to make difficult for people who do not see they have it. We all have it. We can learn to watch for it.

My experience is that deep self analysis will be extremely damaging to the ego which is just a defense mechanism to protect us from the real damage already done to us as children that the ego was created by to save us from dying of that pain. Our savior then is now our enemy and to know that would be to feel again that pain.
more psychobabble.

Why not try this out?

Just admit that your thread topic about the treatment possibilities of ivermectin was absolutely wrong. Ivermectim isn't a viable covid treatment.

Never mind posting about your hurt ego and just admit you are wrong in a short concise sentence. That way we can all find somewhere better to post.
 

Fenixgoon

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more psychobabble.

Why not try this out?

Just admit that your thread topic about the treatment possibilities of ivermectin was absolutely wrong. Ivermectim isn't a viable covid treatment.

Never mind posting about your hurt ego and just admit you are wrong in a short concise sentence. That way we can all find somewhere better to post.
And before anyone says "ignore this thread"....

 
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Moonbeam

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This seems false to me. Suppose I see a child being abused and that triggers rage in me. The source of that rage is in me? The problem is not with the abuser? I should try to change myself so that it does not bother me? Being judgmental of the abuser is a disease?
This isn't the first time you flat out do not answer the questions asked of you. Why bother conversing at all? Write a blog somewhere if you aren't interested in a two-way conversation.
Question one: The source of your rage is in you, yes.

Question two: The answer here is neither yes nor no and for several reasons. 'Should' is a concept driven by ego desire and is unconsciously motivated. The ego wants only to feel it is right, not to do what will free you of it. The ego deceives, it plays a game, it moralizes, because it is a fraud front for the good. It says, "Once I know what I should do I will do that" but you can’t change feelings you do not know you are feeling. Change requires waking up and waking up means dying to what you believe. Thus, it is not moral obligation or rage at evil that will make you who you should be but dying to any hope you have control. Control is an ego need. There may be no way to understand this except by personal experience.

Question three: Yes, judgmentalism is a disease. You judge as you were judged and that was without compassion for your innocence and now you judge others the same way. Absent forgiveness for your self you can't forgive others. You carry an inner bitterness that is a poison. You, of course are me. I see it; your attitude and manner of expression says you do not. You are trying to save me from being a gullible sucker and I want to take your bitterness away.

All these questions were answered by what I wrote. I had no intention to dodge them.
 
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Moonbeam

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more psychobabble.

Why not try this out?

Just admit that your thread topic about the treatment possibilities of ivermectin was absolutely wrong. Ivermectim isn't a viable covid treatment.

Never mind posting about your hurt ego and just admit you are wrong in a short concise sentence. That way we can all find somewhere better to post.


 
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Moonbeam

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"If you can't dazzle them with your brilliance, baffle them with your bullshit" ??

All you need to do it tell the truth and people will instinctively and intuitively recognize its brilliance but their egos, created to protect themselves from feeling like fools, will instantly project that outwardly, calling any real truth about the nature of ego, which they so desperately need to defend, to be bullshit, psychobabble, you name it. There is probably nothing in this world in shorter supply than psychological sophistication or anything more critically needed.
 
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Moonbeam

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All fall short of Perfection. Allow yourself to be Wrong and move on.
This thread was about me being wrong. I saw things like you still do but realized I had passed judgment unfairly. My idea of moving on in a good way would be to help others understand that kind of mistake so they don't also make it.
 

Captante

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All you need to do it tell the truth and people will instinctively and intuitively recognize its brilliance but their egos, created to protect themselves from feeling like fools, will instantly project that outwardly, calling any real truth about the nature of ego, which they so desperately need to defend, to be bullshit, psychobabble, you name it. There is probably nothing in this world in shorter supply than psychological sophistication or anything more critically needed.


Really? Do we have to go over this again?

What in Sam Hill are you talking about?


*(seriously your best bet when posting would be the KISS rule)
 
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dank69

Lifer
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Question one: The source of your rage is in you, yes.

Question two: The answer here is neither yes nor no and for several reasons. 'Should' is a concept driven by ego desire and is unconsciously motivated. The ego wants only to feel it is right, not to do what will free you of it. The ego deceives, it plays a game, it moralizes, because it is a fraud front for the good. It says, "Once I know what I should do I will do that" but you can’t change feelings you do not know you are feeling. Change requires waking up and waking up means dying to what you believe. Thus, it is not moral obligation or rage at evil that will make you who you should be but dying to any hope you have control. Control is an ego need. There may be no way to understand this except by personal experience.

Question three: Yes, judgmentalism is a disease. You judge as you were judged and that was without compassion for your innocence and now you judge others the same way. Absent forgiveness for your self you can't forgive others. You carry an inner bitterness that is a poison. You, of course are me. I see it; your attitude and manner of expression says you do not. You are trying to save me from being a gullible sucker and I want to take your bitterness away.

All these questions were answered by what I wrote. I had no intention to dodge them.
Your "answer" to the middle question is a non-answer. You can't answer yes or no because use of the word should is invalid? You think that's an answer to anything? As others have pointed out repeatedly, that is psychobabble.

You also missed question 2: The problem is not with the abuser? None of the questions were answered originally, 2 remain unanswered, and the answer to question one is useless. So what if the rage is chemically produced within me? It's probably a natural survival instinct on the subconscious level, and though you may believe it is poison that's just like, your opinion man.

If you want to take away my bitterness a good place to start would be to stop pretending it's difficult to figure out when professional liars are lying.
 
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Moonbeam

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Your "answer" to the middle question is a non-answer. You can't answer yes or no because use of the word should is invalid? You think that's an answer to anything? As others have pointed out repeatedly, that is psychobabble.

You also missed question 2: The problem is not with the abuser? None of the questions were answered originally, 2 remain unanswered, and the answer to question one is useless. So what if the rage is chemically produced within me? It's probably a natural survival instinct on the subconscious level, and though you may believe it is poison that's just like, your opinion man.

If you want to take away my bitterness a good place to start would be to stop pretending it's difficult to figure out when professional liars are lying.
Prove to me that professional liars can lie and be believed. The largest so called test of the effectiveness of Ivermectin was a fabrication that lasted 7 months before being exposed:


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Meyerowitz-Katz told the Guardian that “this is one of the biggest ivermectin studies out there”, and it appeared to him the data was “just totally faked”. This was concerning because two meta-analyses of ivermectin for treating Covid-19 had included the Elgazzar study in the results. A meta-analysis is a statistical analysis that combines the results of multiple scientific studies to determine what the overall scientific literature has found about a treatment or intervention.
“Because the Elgazzar study is so large, and so massively positive – showing a 90% reduction in mortality – it hugely skews the evidence in favour of ivermectin,” Meyerowitz-Katz said.

You are telling me it is easy to detect:

Lawrence said what started out as a simple university assignment had led to a comprehensive investigation into an apparent scientific fraud at a time when “there is a whole ivermectin hype … dominated by a mix of right-wing figures, anti-vaxxers and outright conspiracists”.
“Although science trends towards self-correction, something is clearly broken in a system that can allow a study as full of problems as the Elgazzar paper to run unchallenged for seven months,” he said.
“Thousands of highly educated scientists, doctors, pharmacists, and at least four major medicines regulators missed a fraud so apparent that it might as well have come with a flashing neon sign. That this all happened amid an ongoing global health crisis of epic proportions is all the more terrifying.”

My Dear dank, what you have insisted on throughout this thread is an egotistical arrogance that your finely tuned bullshit meter has all along known that the Ivermectin thingi was a fraud and a joke and that any who fell for it were fools. That makes you the fool. I was also fooled but instead of denying it to the point of absurdity, as you have, I was reminded again just how herd mentality, your own personal herd mentality, can blind you to the truth.

Yes or no, should you stopped beating people to death with your arrogance?
 
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