What is it about humans that makes some of us think shooting an animal with a gun is brave or noble or tough

[slsmnaz]

Another poor, defensless animal vs. big bad hunter thread boohoo. Don't like it, don't click the pictures. The point is to harvest an animal when you hunt so why not take a pic when you're successful? No one has ever said they were tougher because they hunted.

Hunting keeps the animal population manageable and also gives huge amounts of $$ to conservation efforts. Most processing stations will even allow you to donate your meat to shelters if you don't want to keep it all. Hunters give back way more than they take out.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Originally posted by: Garth

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti

Originally posted by: Garth

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Garth

"How can hunting be considered a sport when the animals don't even know they're playing?"

In the wild, there are no periods, intermissions, or time-outs. The animals are ALWAYS playing the game.

NOT

What part of my statement was false?

they do not expect to be playing against high powered rifles.. do they?

Do you think they "expect" to be playing against mountain lions, bobcats, or starvation? You're overly anthropomorphizing the animals, and its making you look rather silly.

Yes, yes and yes.

It has become obvious that you are either unwilling or unable to discuss this topic rationally. What animal "expects" starvation? How do animals die at all if they already "expect" their predators? Do you even read what you type?

They have been playing against moutain lions, bobcats and starvation for several millenia. As they have been playing against man that long as well, but for the majority of the time it was close range (bow, spear, etc). Only in the past 3 centuries (or so) have they had to adapt to long range attacks.

What adaptation is necessary? Are their populations endangered?

They have antles to defend against up close attacks as well as sharp hooves. And they also have speed and agility to escape.
It's never been a fair fight since the firearm was created. To think it's fair is pretty naive.

Perhaps you would like to quote me where I said anything about "fairness." Since when is life "fair"? What does that even mean?

Good grief I regret trying to reason with you.

I'm sorry you feel that way. And to answer you in one word. Evolution, that's how they adapt, that's how they learn to live when there's little to no food, how to fend off attackers, and how the attackers learn how to attack. Cougar cubs playing, learning to hunt, sorry you can't see that.

 

[randalee]

Holy cow, can we stop it with the excessive nested quoting already?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Huh.. no I am not.. I am making fun of humans who do the reverse of anthropomorphize themselves.. as though they are = to animals or that their hunting skills are = to animal hunting skills

You really think that's what they are doing? Please tell me you do not really think that. It is impossible that you could be so naive.

 

[Homerboy]

why do people use the word "harvest"? That refers to gathering a crop when it is mature. /annoyance

 

[zoiks]

If you're hunting for the food then yes. For the sport..no.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti

I'm sorry you feel that way. And to answer you in one word. Evolution, that's how they adapt,

Did I ask how they adapt? I typically have a pretty good memory, and it awfully easy to recall what I wrote since its right here in the thread. I don't see where I asked that question at all.

It seems like you're arguing with figments of your imagination.

that's how they learn to live when there's little to no food, how to fend off attackers, and how the attackers learn how to attack. Cougar cubs playing, learning to hunt, sorry you can't see that.

Wow you're quite the pillar or intellect, aren't you?

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Garth

Originally posted by: dahunan

Huh.. no I am not.. I am making fun of humans who do the reverse of anthropomorphize themselves.. as though they are = to animals or that their hunting skills are = to animal hunting skills

You really think that's what they are doing? Please tell me you do not really think that. It is impossible that you could be so naive.

You know what I am saying...

I will ask you a question..
do you think Big Game Hunting is for food?
Fox Hunting for food
Exotic Animal Hunting is for food

Then why do they do it?

 

[DeadByDawn]

I hope nobody in here bitches when they hit a deer on the highway @65mph because they are overpopulated.

 

[randay]

I hunt the greatest game of them all. You have 5 minutes, start running. *loads rifle*

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: mugs
Most people who hunt also eat the meat.

Yes.. I think I definitely resonded to you (I don't really have a problem with hunting to eat).. so why pose with the dead animal.. just go eat the god damned meat - don't pose with the animal or make a trophy out of it

Is the trophy a way of saying thank you to the animal for the food or some weird way of saying ... I am tough and important because I was able to kill this animal with a weapon that they could NEVER DEFEND THEMSELVES AGAINST?? :laugh:

You seem to be assuming that hunting is easy, which it is not. Some states only allow hunting with bows and shotguns to make it more difficult.

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: Homerboy
why do people use the word "harvest"? That refers to gathering a crop when it is mature. /annoyance

Is hunting not gathering food?

Do you not kill a plant when you 'harvest' it?

Save the plants man!!!! End plant cruelty!!!!

 

[silverpig]

I know someone who killed a bear with a knife.

Short version of the story:

He always kept a really sharp hunting knife on him. Went hunting (with a gun obviously) and had it slung across his back. He was walking down some railroad tracks in the middle of nowhere when he got knocked to the ground from behind. He rolled over onto his back and saw this grizzly bear standing over him. He couldn't get the gun out because he was laying on it, and the bear started to bite his stomach, so he pulled out the knife and started slashing like mad. He got both of the bear's eyes, and hacked at its throat before it stumbled away. He fired his gun 3 times in the air (help signal) and his friends came to rescue him.

In the hospital the local game warden or whatever came by and didn't believe his story that he wasn't hunting bear when he killed one, so he told him exactly where to find the bear (it had stumbled just off the tracks and bled out). They found the carcass and brought it in for an autopsy. It had 0 gunshot wounds and something like 120 stab wounds. The guy was mauled to all hell though, missing parts of his leg (like huge chunks) and a good part of his abdomen was mauled too.

The gaming commission mounted the bear for him and he keeps it as a trophy, and I think rightly so.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: silverpig
I know someone who killed a bear with a knife.

Short version of the story:

He always kept a really sharp hunting knife on him. Went hunting (with a gun obviously) and had it slung across his back. He was walking down some railroad tracks in the middle of nowhere when he got knocked to the ground from behind. He rolled over onto his back and saw this grizzly bear standing over him. He couldn't get the gun out because he was laying on it, and the bear started to bite his stomach, so he pulled out the knife and started slashing like mad. He got both of the bear's eyes, and hacked at its throat before it stumbled away. He fired his gun 3 times in the air (help signal) and his friends came to rescue him.

In the hospital the local game warden or whatever came by and didn't believe his story that he wasn't hunting bear when he killed one, so he told him exactly where to find the bear (it had stumbled just off the tracks and bled out). They found the carcass and brought it in for an autopsy. It had 0 gunshot wounds and something like 120 stab wounds. The guy was mauled to all hell though, missing parts of his leg (like huge chunks) and a good part of his abdomen was mauled too.

The gaming commission mounted the bear for him and he keeps it as a trophy, and I think rightly so.

I completely agree and think he is one tough dude... but if he had only used a gun and then put the head up as a trophy I would think he was silly

I am glad your friend was safe.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Garth

Originally posted by: dahunan

Huh.. no I am not.. I am making fun of humans who do the reverse of anthropomorphize themselves.. as though they are = to animals or that their hunting skills are = to animal hunting skills

You really think that's what they are doing? Please tell me you do not really think that. It is impossible that you could be so naive.

You know what I am saying...

No, I do not. I'm not a mind reader. I only have your written statements to interpret. If you are incapable of communicating your ideas clearly, perhaps you shouldn't be engaging in a debate.

I will ask you a question..
do you think Big Game Hunting is for food?
Fox Hunting for food
Exotic Animal Hunting is for food

Then why do they do it?

Do you know how many hunters there are? Do you not understand that there are as many reasons "why" as there are hunters?

But this is still different than the thrust of your OP, which has been adequately rebutted. I've never purported that all hunting is pursued for food, so I don't understand why you think you can saddle me with your strawman and expect me to defend it.

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: DougK62
Using a firearm to shoot a target from a distance DOES take some skill, ya know.

Yes, but it take no more skill to hit an animal from afar than it does to hit a target from the same distance.

yeah, actually it does, because a STATIONARY target doesn't run away if you make a tiny noise or if it catches your scent. You don't sit around and wait for a STATIONARY target to wonder into your area, and you certainly don't go through the lengths of attracting them.

I'm not a hunter, but I know that you don't just simply walk into the woods, shoot the crap out of things and walk out with a big hunk of dead animal. You could go into the woods for a day and not even SEE an animal outside of a bird or rodent type critter.

There are also many game regulations in place that ensure that the animals at least have a chance... a friend of mine told me there are limits to how much ammo you can take into the woods with you, how much you can bring back with you, and what sorts of hunting equipment you are allowed to have at certain points of the year.

Posing for a picture of what you killed is no different than taking a picture with your car, or taking a picture of your first steps as a baby... it's what you accomplished. People take pictures of a lot stupider accomplishments.

What exactly did you do to get the meat you are going to eat this week? Maybe you shoudl take a picture of you walking into the grocery store and picking up a package and be proud of the skill it took you to do that. Or maybe you could visit a butchery and take a picture of the animal that was caged up since birth to show the skill it took to make that animal a future meal.

What about a venomous snake? Is it fair to other animals that all it has to do is bite you once and you lose?


Do I think shooting an animal is brave, noble or tough? Not really, but it takes a hell of a lot more effort to get food that way than it does by driving to the grocery store, so people who do it have one up on you.

 

[waggy]

i love to hunt and fish. If i get a deer, turkey or such we eat it. I am against sport hunting.

though with deer if you do not keep the heard thinned it will kill them all (desise etc).

I do not understand big game hunting or other such.


ground deer is awesome. hell deer in any form is great. yumm

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: dahunan
I will ask you a question..

Answer mine first. You're being rude asking people to answer your questions without answering ours.

It's the first reply, you can't miss it.

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by: mugs

You seem to be assuming that hunting is easy, which it is not. Some states only allow hunting with bows and shotguns to make it more difficult.

HEHE What is funny is, depending on what kind of terrain you are hunting in, quite often you will not even see a deer beyond 100 yards, they simply blend in too well. When you are in a tree stand you have the best chance at getting a good bead on one(both of mine we taken that way). Hunting deer is alot of waiting and patience. Both deer I got were at about 70 yards away from me before I even noticed them.

One time I was in a blind and a Deer walked up so close to to me and I did not see it. It was no more than 20 feet away from me and looking at me trying to get a scent. I finally saw something move out of the corner of my eye and turned my head, it jumped and scared the living sh!t out of me.

 

[DeadByDawn]

Originally posted by: waggy
i love to hunt and fish. If i get a deer, turkey or such we eat it. I am against sport hunting.

though with deer if you do not keep the heard thinned it will kill them all (desise etc).

I do not understand big game hunting or other such.


ground deer is awesome. hell deer in any form is great. yumm

Yep, deer season starts here tomorrow morning. I'll be cranking out deer jerky here in the next couple weeks hopefully.

 

[TheSlamma]

Rifle hunting is like grocery shopping. the 3 times I hunted with a rifle I got an animal the first day... Archery on the other hand? I went for 5 years before I got my first deer and archery season is long.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Have you ever hunted with a gun? Know how hard/easy it is?

Do you really think my question is knocking the skills of the hunter?

I think I said it before.. shoot a moving plate and then pose with the fragments..

eat the meat.. please.. just don't think you should pose with the dead animal that had no chance to fight back.. how hard is it to understand

 

[Bateluer]

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Looks like this guy used a bow, not a gun.

 

[SmoochyTX]

Originally posted by: randalee
Holy cow, can we stop it with the excessive nested quoting already?

I want a sirloin. Moo.

 

[krunchykrome]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Have you ever hunted with a gun? Know how hard/easy it is?

Do you really think my question is knocking the skills of the hunter?

I think I said it before.. shoot a moving plate and then pose with the fragments..

eat the meat.. please.. just don't think you should pose with the dead animal that had no chance to fight back.. how hard is it to understand

Im with you DaHunan