What is it about humans that makes some of us think shooting an animal with a gun is brave or noble or tough

[OutHouse]

every once in a while i catch one of those hunting shows on dish. There is one guy they have on there that all he does is goes all over the world to kill animals to be stuffed and put in Bass Pro shops.

the one show i saw he was in the Yuckatan pennisula sniping all sorts of animals. man when he blasted one he got all giddy and excited then he would pose by the animal/bird with his shotgun.

Im all for hunting for food and do hunt deer if i remember to get my application in for the tags in on time. but what i cant relate to is how most "great white hunters" who pay to go hunting on a game ranch like the link in the OP's thread have their picture taken next to their kill. I just dont get it, especially on a game ranch that is basically a private zoo. Yes i do know about game ranches, a cousin of mine owns one and to get the privalage to snipe a exotic like a cape buffalo will cost you about 8K.

 

[Dean]

Tonight, me and the boys are gonna go out and club some seals, stuff them full of styrofoam and toss them throught the ozone layer.

 

[krunchykrome]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
ROFL! Years back, I was on a big construction job in Wyoming, and they had to bus people into the jobsite, due to a lack of housing in the area. One night, the bus hit a big Bull elk. This Texas ironworker got off the bus and straddled that elk, saying he was planning to cut it's throat and throw in in the luggage compartment under the bus, and said "we gonna eat elk for dinner tonite boys"...about that time, the elk woke up, jumped up, and kicked the crap outta that ironworker, breaking several bones, and generally pwning him before trotting off and jumping over the fence, not to be seen again...so...we thru HIM in the luggage compartment for the ride into town, so he didn't bleed all over "our bus"...That was the "livest" dead elk I've ever seen...

Thats pretty funny. I was in the car with my buddy. He was driving his Subaru. We were in a back road at night when he hit a deer. The deer did a couple spins in the air matrix style. Then it got up and trotted off. We got out of the car to look at the damage. I think his hood was a little bent and his headlight was smashed.

Funny thing is, I could have sworn I saw the deer flip us the finger as he walked off.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: yllus
You really are an enormous sissy.

I concur.

If you spend that much time on killing an animal that cannot defend itself then you are an enormous idiot

Have a good life..

I just came back to the computer early because I realized I let my anger get to me regarding the idiotic replies from Phoenix86 and yllus...

I apologize for labeling anyone other than them as idiots.. They don't know anything about me other than this thread and felt it within their rights to call me a sissy..


I would have no problem with killing someone to defend myself = sissy?

I would kill an animal if I had to do it in order to survive.. = sissy?

No, you making a big deal about hunting and people taking pride in things they enjoy makes you a sissy. I bet there are things you take pride in I wouldn't understand, but I wouldn't call you out on it. Your time to do with as you please.

Keep pounding away keyboard warrior.

BTW, are you a vegan, or are you a total hypocrite too?

I have already .. multiple times.. said hunting for food is not the big deal.. it is those who pose with a corpse are the ones who I think are strange..

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Citrix
every once in a while i catch one of those hunting shows on dish. There is one guy they have on there that all he does is goes all over the world to kill animals to be stuffed and put in Bass Pro shops.

the one show i saw he was in the Yuckatan pennisula sniping all sorts of animals. man when he blasted one he got all giddy and excited then he would pose by the animal/bird with his shotgun.

Im all for hunting for food and do hunt deer if i remember to get my application in for the tags in on time. but what i cant relate to is how most "great white hunters" who pay to go hunting on a game ranch like the link in the OP's thread have their picture taken next to their kill. I just dont get it, especially on a game ranch that is basically a private zoo. Yes i do know about game ranches, a cousin of mine owns one and to get the privalage to snipe a exotic like a cape buffalo will cost you about 8K.

yeah thats fricken insane.

 

[DougK62]

Lots of dumb people in here.

"But it's not fair! They're defenseless animals! They don't have guns!"

Waaaaaaaahhhhh. Do you cry when a lion mauls a giraffe on the Discovery channel? That's not fair - the giraffe doesn't have sharp teeth and claws.

Waaaaaaaahhhhh. Do you cry when a spider builds a trap to catch and kill a mouse? That's not fair - the mouse was defenseless and didn't see it coming.

This is the way the world works. Stronger animals eat the weaker animals. It's been working for eons. Accept it.

 

[BoomerD]

I have already .. multiple times.. said hunting for food is not the big deal.. it is those who pose with a corpse are the ones who I think are strange..

So...what about the soldiers who pose with the corpses of the enemy they've killed...Happens a lot in war. How do you feel about THAT? After all, they were'nt hunting some "defensless animal"? THOSE animals hunt back...with high-powered weapons as well...

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by: dahunan

I have already .. multiple times.. said hunting for food is not the big deal.. it is those who pose with a corpse are the ones who I think are strange..

I agree with that. I never took pleasure in killing an animal, I did it for the food. I also do not consider hunting manly, I consider it fun, disappointing and stressful.

I have not hunted for like 10 years. My wife will not let me have deer meat in the house. It is Bambi to her.

 

[waggy]

heh this thread reminds me of a book i remember reading in jr high. people would pay large sums of money to hunt "special" animals. they were mutated. they were very smart and had hands. they also had weapons.

heh now im going to go insane trying to remember the name of the book.

 

[acole1]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

I have already .. multiple times.. said hunting for food is not the big deal.. it is those who pose with a corpse are the ones who I think are strange..

So...what about the soldiers who pose with the corpses of the enemy they've killed...Happens a lot in war. How do you feel about THAT? After all, they were'nt hunting some "defensless animal"? THOSE animals hunt back...with high-powered weapons as well...

I would think an intelligent person like yourself would know the difference between killing a human and killing an animal.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Citrix
every once in a while i catch one of those hunting shows on dish. There is one guy they have on there that all he does is goes all over the world to kill animals to be stuffed and put in Bass Pro shops.

the one show i saw he was in the Yuckatan pennisula sniping all sorts of animals. man when he blasted one he got all giddy and excited then he would pose by the animal/bird with his shotgun.

Im all for hunting for food and do hunt deer if i remember to get my application in for the tags in on time. but what i cant relate to is how most "great white hunters" who pay to go hunting on a game ranch like the link in the OP's thread have their picture taken next to their kill. I just dont get it, especially on a game ranch that is basically a private zoo. Yes i do know about game ranches, a cousin of mine owns one and to get the privalage to snipe a exotic like a cape buffalo will cost you about 8K.

yeah thats fricken insane.

it is insane and its not hunting. all they do is sit in a 20' tower that are all over the place and happen to near the automatic feeders and wait until dusk when the feeders spin out food. Then wait for the animals to show up and you shoot the one the guide tells you to shoot.

Fricken wall street pussies.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder

Do those animals have MCDonalds or Black Angus or Qdoba

So your arguement is hunting is evil because the animals don't have fair odds, but eating meat from a slaughterhouse is ok because the cows have fair odds?

Do the animals have a different way to get the food..

 

[krunchykrome]

Now I'll tell you what would be fun.



Hunting zombies on the loose.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

I have already .. multiple times.. said hunting for food is not the big deal.. it is those who pose with a corpse are the ones who I think are strange..

So...what about the soldiers who pose with the corpses of the enemy they've killed...Happens a lot in war. How do you feel about THAT? After all, they were'nt hunting some "defensless animal"? THOSE animals hunt back...with high-powered weapons as well...

Deer = Terrrorists?

Anyhow.. I would pose with the corpse of Osama if I killed him or the corpse of any true terrorist..

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Citrix
every once in a while i catch one of those hunting shows on dish. There is one guy they have on there that all he does is goes all over the world to kill animals to be stuffed and put in Bass Pro shops.

the one show i saw he was in the Yuckatan pennisula sniping all sorts of animals. man when he blasted one he got all giddy and excited then he would pose by the animal/bird with his shotgun.

Im all for hunting for food and do hunt deer if i remember to get my application in for the tags in on time. but what i cant relate to is how most "great white hunters" who pay to go hunting on a game ranch like the link in the OP's thread have their picture taken next to their kill. I just dont get it, especially on a game ranch that is basically a private zoo. Yes i do know about game ranches, a cousin of mine owns one and to get the privalage to snipe a exotic like a cape buffalo will cost you about 8K.

yeah thats fricken insane.

it is insane and its not hunting. all they do is sit in a 20' tower that are all over the place and happen to near the automatic feeders and wait until dusk when the feeders spin out food. Then wait for the animals to show up and you shoot the one the guide tells you to shoot.

Fricken wall street pussies.

I've never understood why people would do that. I don't consider that hunting, just killing.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Citrix
every once in a while i catch one of those hunting shows on dish. There is one guy they have on there that all he does is goes all over the world to kill animals to be stuffed and put in Bass Pro shops.

the one show i saw he was in the Yuckatan pennisula sniping all sorts of animals. man when he blasted one he got all giddy and excited then he would pose by the animal/bird with his shotgun.

Im all for hunting for food and do hunt deer if i remember to get my application in for the tags in on time. but what i cant relate to is how most "great white hunters" who pay to go hunting on a game ranch like the link in the OP's thread have their picture taken next to their kill. I just dont get it, especially on a game ranch that is basically a private zoo. Yes i do know about game ranches, a cousin of mine owns one and to get the privalage to snipe a exotic like a cape buffalo will cost you about 8K.

yeah thats fricken insane.

it is insane and its not hunting. all they do is sit in a 20' tower that are all over the place and happen to near the automatic feeders and wait until dusk when the feeders spin out food. Then wait for the animals to show up and you shoot the one the guide tells you to shoot.

Fricken wall street pussies.

I've never understood why people would do that. I don't consider that hunting, just killing.

no that is not hunting. hell not sure what that is.

i can see hireing a guide etc. but hell that is killing for fun.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: BoomerD

I have already .. multiple times.. said hunting for food is not the big deal.. it is those who pose with a corpse are the ones who I think are strange..

So...what about the soldiers who pose with the corpses of the enemy they've killed...Happens a lot in war. How do you feel about THAT? After all, they were'nt hunting some "defensless animal"? THOSE animals hunt back...with high-powered weapons as well...

Deer = Terrrorists?

Anyhow.. I would pose with the corpse of Osama if I killed him or the corpse of any true terrorist..

Well, trying to make the connection between deer and terrorists is quite a stretch, even for ATOT...THAT wasn't my point at all...During Vietnam, many people took pics of those they had killed in combat...not to mention that many people wore necklaces of ears from those they had killed..THAT practice was pretty gruesome IMO.
I was merely asking the anti-hunters if they thought one was a lot different than the other.
I have NO problem with hunting, nor posing with your kill. A nice buck or bull elk is something to be proud of...As has been said here several times, the hunt is much more than just going out and shooting an animal in a cage...I DO disagree with hunting for the trophy...but hunting an animal you will eat is just fine with me.

 

[Poulsonator]

Originally posted by: DeadByDawn
I hope nobody in here bitches when they hit a deer on the highway @65mph because they are overpopulated.

Does that mean deer are overpopulated or that humans are?

My vote is the humans.

 

[zixxer]

Originally posted by: Poulsonator

Originally posted by: DeadByDawn
I hope nobody in here bitches when they hit a deer on the highway @65mph because they are overpopulated.

Does that mean deer are overpopulated or that humans are?

My vote is the humans.

You are psycho.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: yllus
You really are an enormous sissy.

If I had to defend myself I would easily kill you without regret..

IF I had to kill an animal to survive I would do it

wow, get over yourself. you seem very ignorant about hunting. i'm a city slicker who's never hunted and very squeamish about blood/etc. and i think garth gave very good information and argument countering your initial post.

I just don't think hunters should boast about killing an animal that was far outmatched.. it would almost be like bringing a gun into the ocatgon :laugh:

yea, and if someone goes hunting with a spear and dies, ATOT would all yell DARWIN DARWIN.

 

[Poulsonator]

Originally posted by: zixxer

You are psycho.

The world's population has more than tripled since the 1960's alone and there's no sign if it slowing down. What's more destructive...human or a deer?

But I'm batsh!t insane so don't listen to me.

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: Poulsonator

Originally posted by: zixxer

You are psycho.

The world's population has more than tripled since the 1960's alone and there's no sign if it slowing down. What's more destructive...human or a deer?

But I'm batsh!t insane so don't listen to me.

Actually it's only doubled. Go get a weapon and start thinning the herd.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Poulsonator

Originally posted by: zixxer

You are psycho.

The world's population has more than tripled since the 1960's alone and there's no sign if it slowing down. What's more destructive...human or a deer?

But I'm batsh!t insane so don't listen to me.

Since you care about the Earth so much, how come you don't just off yourself?

 

[Yossarian451]

Originally posted by: Garth

Originally posted by: Yossarian451

Except these ranches usually do all the work for you, they take you to a spot, you sit and wait. If something comes by you shoot it. Then they track it for you and take your picture for you with it. Then they call in a 4-wheeler and haul it out for you. If it is semi guided, they drop you off and then come back when you are done with the 4-wheeler. This stuff is not the you going into the woods to kill something by tracking it. And also ranches like these usually have feeders for the deer so that takes the rest of the sport out of it.

How many ranches like these have you patronized? How many ranches like these are there in toto? How many ranches are there that don't do this? How "usual" is it? Do you even have a basis for comparison? Do you have any idea what percentage of hunters do not hunt on these ranches?

Do you know if it is adversely or positively affecting the health of the herds?

My description is accurate of this place, and that is what I was describing. Goto the first damn page and read it

We cater to family, group, Corporate and Youth hunters. We offer several different hunting packages and are sure to have one that will fit your budget and your needs!

and it is right next to the picture of the feeder.

I live in Texas, and not too far from Burnet Texas and I know quite a few people who have been to places like this, most of whom got back and realized it was not hunting. I was not making the broad over generalization of all hunting just these ranches. I was not making a comment against hunting you just didn't read my post. I have hunted for quail, before on private property. I have no problems with hunting, just idiots who do that kind of "hunting". They are just doing it to stroke their egos. It is a step above caged hunts or exotics but still egotistical in nature.

 

[acole1]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Poulsonator

Originally posted by: zixxer

You are psycho.

The world's population has more than tripled since the 1960's alone and there's no sign if it slowing down. What's more destructive...human or a deer?

But I'm batsh!t insane so don't listen to me.

Since you care about the Earth so much, how come you don't just off yourself?

That wouldn't do any good.

It would only be really effective in lowering the long run population if he was actually capable of reproducing and expanding the population into successive generations.