What is it about humans that makes some of us think shooting an animal with a gun is brave or noble or tough

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: Fox5

Originally posted by: FoBoT
when the world goes to crap and there is no food in a stores , don't go looking for help from a hunter, they'll remember this thread

Farming >> hunting/gathering

How many people live on enough land to farm?

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: alejandroAT
being able to shoot at a target has nothing to do with inteligence. I have been in the army and i can tell you that the best snipers have the most excrements in their heads. Hunters too. Its always the stupidest more uneducated hillbilly idiots that do it.

Shooting is for everyone and firing a gun is the easiest thing in the world. Proof of that is all the little childern around the world who have fired and killed family members with their dad's shotgun. And modern rifles are especially easy to use. They dont even kick that hard and they actually shoot where you aim.

Handarms are a completely different thing but then again they are not used in hunting are they?

who ever said shooting someone at close range (As these kids often are) with a shotgun was hard? the point of a shotgun is that you don't have to be exact with your aiming...as long as you point it away from yourself; you're bound to hit something (else).

I guess you've never fired a gun. It's easy to pull a trigger, but successfully hitting your target is another story.

All that being said; I have no use for guns. Honestly, I'd rather there be no guns. Wars should be fought with bronze-age technology. Make people fight with swords and shields again...then we'll see how brutal and pointless it really is.

I also think the 2nd ammendment is a fine thing. (of course...since when did "arms" exclusively mean "firearms." it doesn't; and was never meant to. smoke on that NRA). Funny also, how those who champion the integrity of the 2nd ammendment are those who would refuse to use it for its intended purpose: overthrowing tyranny within our government (the case for such a necessity is blatantly obvious...but this is for another thread)

Also...I'm not too sure the founding fathers didn't mean the right "to bear arms," instead of the right "to bare arms." (yes, stolen from Family Guy).

anyone else reminded of the gary larson cartoon? in one panel the hunter shoots a bear while it is peacefully drinking from a pond, it's back to the hunter. in the next, the hunter has the bear stuffed and mounted on it's hind legs, with arms raised, claws drawn to attack and a ferocious roar fixed on its face.

 

[KK]

This past weekend I shot a doe. Saturday morning I seen this group of 4 does, and I let them pass as I was hoping a buck would be following them. That did not happen. I was in a stand overlooking a field and a swamp. The next evening and next morning I didn't see a thing. Both mornings I spooked some deer out of the field before I could get to the stand, it was dark. Knowing that there would probably be something in the field that sunday morning and there was no way to make it to the stand without spooking whatever was in the field, I decide to not to attempt to go into the field but to position myself so when the sun came up I'd have a decent shot. Well about 5 minutes before I could see into the field they winded me or they saw me, which I would have thought they wouldn't have, but they took off. Sunday evening I decided not to try to go to the stand but position myself on the ground right in the path of where I seen the deer saturday morning. Sure enough, 30 minutes before dark the does returned exactly where I thought they would and were making their way up to me. I took one that was within 35 yards, i don't think I shot the biggest doe of the four, but atleast I was able to get a clean shot off, the deer didn't move any, just dropped dead in it's tracks. Now I'm going to be stocked up with deer sausage for the next couple of months. The season down here runs thru the middle of januaury, so from now on when I go, I will be looking for horns only. If I get one with a decent rack then I have some more meat, if I don't, then so be it.

 

[forfor]

Hunting is for socially-challenged losers with low self-esteem.

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[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: busmaster11

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: busmaster11

Originally posted by: BoberFettconfused; The need to eat is directly related to starvation. I'm not really sure I should even bother attempting to talk to you, since you fail to see a relationship in one of the most basic human needs. I'll try to grin and bear it.

Please explain your experiences with your survival being threatened due to starvation recently.

I face starvation every day, as does every living animal on the planet. That's why we eat. You're not very bright are you. Ohhhh, I see, you pray to god. That explains a few things.

I find it amazing that you can shamelessly call what you do, "facing starvation."

The level of reasoning here is absolutely appalling... If I was able to compel anyone to answer any questions this would have been over real quick. Since I can't, I'll be on my way.

You're hopeless.

One last time. If you don't eat, you starve. That's how the human body works. So how is eating something you killed yourself any more savage than eating something that somebody else killed so you wouldn't have to get your wussy little hands bloody?

Please tell me I'm not the only person who sees just how goddam stupid this guy is.

Hmmm. I'd have to say you're the only person. His argument is pretty sound. I don't think you've disengaged your experience with life in a firstworld country to the actual prospect of facing starvation. Eating is a human need....and I think it's a given to assume that you have never, in your life, faced real starvation. Spend some time in Chechnya, where the closest thing to eat may be boot leather. Then you're facing starvation. As long as your pantry contains one bag of cheetos...you will never be close to facing starvation (The one bag implying a ready access to more bags and other myriad types of food. As long as this ready access is implied, believe me: your need to eat will never put your body close to starvation circumstances)

Even chronically homeless people aren't facing true starvation. Hungry for the most part; yes, but not starvation. I think it's safe to say you have never been homeless either.

Where in this quote in his sig does it say that he prays to god? Perhaps you should re-read what that quote says? It's pretty far from an admission to praying for God. The stronger argument would be that he is atheist; based soley on this quote.

 

[tw1164]

Originally posted by: forfor
Whining about Hunting on internet forums is for socially-challenged losers with low self-esteem.

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[forfor]

Originally posted by: tw1164

Originally posted by: forfor
Whining about Hunting on internet forums is for socially-challenged losers with low self-esteem.

:thumbsdown:

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You must be a hunter.

 

[ghost recon88]

Well, for one, it's fun, and takes skill, and helps control the population, and secondly, wild meat is the best!

 

[DeadByDawn]

Originally posted by: forfor
Hunting is for socially-challenged losers with low self-esteem.

:thumbsdown:

If it weren't for hunting, you wouldn't be here. Where do you think your ancestors got their food? People are so far removed from their food sources they think they are innocent. Next time you eat that bacon egg and cheese biscuit at the McD's drive thru think about how the pig was raised to make the bacon, how the chicken was raised to lay the egg, and how the dairy cow was raised to produce the milk. You paid the $ to have the animals killed/raised for you. You didn't look your dinner in the eye and do the job yourself, you had to pay somebody to do it. You are weak.

 

[forfor]

Originally posted by: DeadByDawn

Originally posted by: forfor
Hunting is for socially-challenged losers with low self-esteem.

:thumbsdown:

If it weren't for hunting, you wouldn't be here. Where do you think your ancestors got their food? People are so far removed from their food sources they think they are innocent. Next time you eat that bacon egg and cheese biscuit at the McD's drive thru think about how the pig was raised to make the bacon, how the chicken was raised to lay the egg, and how the dairy cow was raised to produce the milk. You paid the $ to have the animals killed/raised for you. You didn't look your dinner in the eye and do the job yourself, you had to pay somebody to do it. You are weak.

Wow, what a weak argument that has been repeated and defeated maybe 10 other times in this thread.

Our ancestors hunted because they had to. There weren't stocks of veggies, our farm raised animals for their consumption. Today, we have a choice. You can go to the supermarket, buy farm-raised food, go home and cook it or store it. Our ancestors had to hunt because they didn't have the convenience of supermarkets and refrigerators. They couldn't keep a hunted deer for 2 weeks.

And this thread is about hunting, not raising animals in a farm. I also have problems with the way animals are treated in fams but that's a different issue. There are a lot of people who hunt as an extracurricular activity rather than for the need of nutritional consumption. I lived in Kansas for a year and I know how these (and you maybe) people are. They can have an 8 digit balance in their bank account and would still go hunt rather than buy it from the supermarket.

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[upsciLLion]

Originally posted by: forfor
Hunting is for socially-challenged losers with low self-esteem.

:thumbsdown:

Go to a gun store and say that.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: forfor

Originally posted by: DeadByDawn

Originally posted by: forfor
Hunting is for socially-challenged losers with low self-esteem.

:thumbsdown:

If it weren't for hunting, you wouldn't be here. Where do you think your ancestors got their food? People are so far removed from their food sources they think they are innocent. Next time you eat that bacon egg and cheese biscuit at the McD's drive thru think about how the pig was raised to make the bacon, how the chicken was raised to lay the egg, and how the dairy cow was raised to produce the milk. You paid the $ to have the animals killed/raised for you. You didn't look your dinner in the eye and do the job yourself, you had to pay somebody to do it. You are weak.

Wow, what a weak argument that has been repeated and defeated maybe 10 other times in this thread.

Our ancestors hunted because they had to. There weren't stocks of veggies, our farm raised animals for their consumption. Today, we have a choice. You can go to the supermarket, buy farm-raised food, go home and cook it or store it. Our ancestors had to hunt because they didn't have the convenience of supermarkets and refrigerators. They couldn't keep a hunted deer for 2 weeks.

And this thread is about hunting, not raising animals in a farm. I also have problems with the way animals are treated in fams but that's a different issue. There are a lot of people who hunt as an extracurricular activity rather than for the need of nutritional consumption. I lived in Kansas for a year and I know how these (and you maybe) people are. They can have an 8 digit balance in their bank account and would still go hunt rather than buy it from the supermarket.

:thumbsdown:

So...I'm not a fan of hunting. Just not into it. I kill enough animals on a daily basis for my job that I just don't need to be sent to another level of animal hell when I die...

Anyhoo, I find this argument to be silly. (It's also silly that while I would never hunt...or enjoy shooting a gun for that matter; I find myself arguing for hunters on this thread) Why do people think they are so far removed from their ancient ancestors? Genetically, you're no different. Those instincts, those primitive brain functions are still there. Believe me, if put in a situation of necessity; your ass would be killing some critters just to survive. (Unless you have a PhD in Botony or Horticulture...I'd imagine it would be wiser and safer for someone in a survival situation to survive off of animal flesh than to try and speculate which plant materials in some random area should be safe to eat. Maybe a little too extreme of an example...as I'm sure there are those w/o Phds that are good at this sort of survival)

My point; is the argument that "our ancestors had to; therefore we shouldn't have to" is just silly. To put enough thought into your natural history, to consider yourself just one part of the progression of a species; you really shouldn't be trying to separate yourself from that species at the same time. We may have aquired a bit more knowlege since those days; but that past is still--and will always be--a part of us.

Honestly, preferring McDonald's or store-bought meat (regardless of their claims of "organic"--which is 85% BS), over wild game is ignorant. Again, I don't hunt, I'm not a gun fan, (I really think there should be no guns...) would never want to hunt, but there is no logical argument that it isn't a sport (assault weapon use is a different story; should be outlawed--no question) or that it isn't necessary. If you want to call out a "sport" on its lack of sportiness, why not NASCAR? WTF is NASCAR?!? Who thinks this is racing? I've no problem with rednecks and hillbillies wanting to get piss drunk and watch things go in circles (sounds like fun!), but why should it be at the expense of our Oil reserves?

NASCAR = professional left-turning.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: upsciLLion

Originally posted by: forfor
Hunting is for socially-challenged losers with low self-esteem.

:thumbsdown:

Go to a gun store and say that.
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Be strong and courageous. Do not be terrified; do not be discouraged for the Lord your God will be with you wherever you go. - Joshua 1:9b

why is it that the gun fanatics are always the ones spouting the religious docterine? I'm I the only one that finds their inability to understand the simplest tenets of Christianity a bit ironic? (I mean no offense; esp if you are neither a gun fanatic or are gay for jesus. I just love it when irony vomits in my face)

Any way, I've come pretty close to saying something similar to the above comment in a gun store. It's pretty funny. Yeah...what're they gonna do? Shoot you? It would only serve to prove why they shouldn't be in business in the first place. Perhaps it will begin a rational debate on the necessity of guns to champion a peaceful, Christian-like society? Not. Bloody. Likely.

 

[tw1164]

Originally posted by: forfor

Originally posted by: tw1164

Originally posted by: forfor
Whining about Hunting on internet forums is for socially-challenged losers with low self-esteem.

:thumbsdown:

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You must be a hunter.

I've never gone hunting. I used to fish when I was a kid, but I don't even do that now.

Its important that the deer populations are kept in check to reduce the number of deer related auto accidents (causing $1.1b in damages, 150 death yearly). Also, areas of deer overpopulation causes decease outbreaks within the herds, the deer will strip the areas of vegetation causing starvation in the herds once the area can no long substain the herd.

The food banks in my area recieve several hunderd pounds of venison year from the area hunters.

 

[Xyo II]

Originally posted by: forfor
Wow, what a weak argument that has been repeated and defeated maybe 10 other times in this thread.

Our ancestors hunted because they had to. There weren't stocks of veggies, our farm raised animals for their consumption. Today, we have a choice. You can go to the supermarket, buy farm-raised food, go home and cook it or store it. Our ancestors had to hunt because they didn't have the convenience of supermarkets and refrigerators. They couldn't keep a hunted deer for 2 weeks.

And this thread is about hunting, not raising animals in a farm. I also have problems with the way animals are treated in fams but that's a different issue. There are a lot of people who hunt as an extracurricular activity rather than for the need of nutritional consumption. I lived in Kansas for a year and I know how these (and you maybe) people are. They can have an 8 digit balance in their bank account and would still go hunt rather than buy it from the supermarket.

:thumbsdown:

I have never hunted in my life, but I do love to fish. Why do I fish? It's relaxing, peaceful, and when you really want to haul in some big fish it's hella fun. I also love the taste of fresh fish, which is 10x better than fish from the supermarket. The same goes for deer, which are all over the state of WI, and are always being hit on the roads; it's rare to be driving in rural Wisconsin in the fall NOT see or swerve to miss a deer by the road. They have to be hunted here to keep the population in balance. I would also much, much rather have some good deer venison than packaged beef sticks from the store, and the same goes for beef jerky. I am also an animal lover, and grew up with more dogs than siblings.

 

[upsciLLion]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: upsciLLion

Originally posted by: forfor
Hunting is for socially-challenged losers with low self-esteem.

:thumbsdown:

Go to a gun store and say that.
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Be strong and courageous. Do not be terrified; do not be discouraged for the Lord your God will be with you wherever you go. - Joshua 1:9b

why is it that the gun fanatics are always the ones spouting the religious docterine? I'm I the only one that finds their inability to understand the simplest tenets of Christianity a bit ironic? (I mean no offense; esp if you are neither a gun fanatic or are gay for jesus. I just love it when irony vomits in my face)

Any way, I've come pretty close to saying something similar to the above comment in a gun store. It's pretty funny. Yeah...what're they gonna do? Shoot you? It would only serve to prove why they shouldn't be in business in the first place. Perhaps it will begin a rational debate on the necessity of guns to champion a peaceful, Christian-like society? Not. Bloody. Likely.

It was a joke, dumbass.

 

[DrPizza]

*sigh* just got back in from the woods a little while ago. Saw lots of squirrels, both red and gray. Quite a few chipmonks were out. Not a single deer in sight. 2 more days left to hunt with my bow. Then, shotgun season starts. My son's joining me for shotgun season - the first time he can legally hunt deer. With any luck, we'll have some venison for the freezer.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
*sigh* just got back in from the woods a little while ago. Saw lots of squirrels, both red and gray. Quite a few chipmonks were out. Not a single deer in sight. 2 more days left to hunt with my bow. Then, shotgun season starts. My son's joining me for shotgun season - the first time he can legally hunt deer. With any luck, we'll have some venison for the freezer.

At the end of the season/day if i seen a lot of squirrels i would try to get a few. My grandmother loves them. I tried it but didn't care for them at all.

they even make a squirrel brain soup etc. blah


they are a bitch to clean though.

 

[Muse]

I've never killed anything with a gun.

When I was a teenager I had bee bee guns and I used to shoot and kill blue jays, which made a racket in the yard. A guy I knew got me into this. One day I shot and killed a mockingbird. I was really upset when I saw the pain I caused this poor defenseless animal and I haven't shot anything else since.

 

[FDF12389]

I bow hunt for trophies, let all the does pass. That takes time, skill and alot of patience. But if I dont get any meat during bow season I always go out during gun season and use my .270 to get meat, longest shot Ive taken @ a deer was about 225 yards, IMO using the rifle takes all the fun out of it, using a rifle to hunt is like playing a whole video game with cheat codes, it gets lame after about 3 sec.

 

[spaceghost21]

Quite a few of those pictures clearly have bows in them...

Some people are proud of being good at a computer game... different strokes for different folks.

 

[FDF12389]

Originally posted by: spaceghost21
Quite a few of those pictures clearly have bows in them...

Some people are proud of being good at a computer game... different strokes for different folks.

Exactly, Alot of people are proud of building computers, when they could just buy one, or proud of an overclock when they could have just bought a faster processor.

 

[M1A]

PETA People Enjoy Tasty Meat
Thats all that it is.........
I Love to Hunt.......

 

[BoomerD]

Just remember, veggies aren't food...they're what food eats!

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: forfor

Originally posted by: tw1164

Originally posted by: forfor
Whining about Hunting on internet forums is for socially-challenged losers with low self-esteem.

:thumbsdown:

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You must be a hunter.

I've never hunted in my life, and I think you're a loser too.