What is more important right now.. whining about immigration or fighting BP

[dahunan]

Why sit around fighting about that shit when BP is destroying the whole coastline of 20% of America

I don't trust that the right people are in charge of this cleanup.. this is insanity

Hey... at least they offer a free video to watch the lethal injection they are giving the bottom third of North America
http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_int...local_assets/bp_homepage/html/rov_stream.html


http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/05/oil_reaches_louisiana_shores.html

 

[Linflas]

Just out of curiosity if we shut down BP, liquidate all their assets, lock all their management and above employees in Federal prison for the remainder of their lives exactly how will that mitigate the damage from the accident that happened in the Gulf?

 

[dahunan]

Is that what I asked?

How about getting something done -- no costs spared whatsoever ..

How long has it been flowing?

 

[CaptainGoodnight]

Why do we have to pick one or the other?

 

[dahunan]

look at the first page of P&N..

One thread about this oil spill and 7? about the immigration whiners?

 

[EagleKeeper]

What type of fight do you want to pick with BP?

 

[dahunan]

What type of fight do you want to pick with BP?

Do you honestly assume they are doing EVERYTHING imaginable to stop this ASAP... do you?

How long has it been happening

What will the long term effects be to the USA and to North America

 

[Linflas]

Do you honestly assume they are doing EVERYTHING imaginable to stop this ASAP... do you?

How long has it been happening

What will the long term effects be to the USA and to North America

Do you think if scientists and engineers had some better solutions than what is currently being attempted on BPs part they wouldn't be doing them? I do know that the Feds appear to be a speed bump in the way of Louisiana doing something on their end to attempt to mitigate the damage to their shoreline.

 

[blackangst1]

Just out of curiosity if we shut down BP, liquidate all their assets, lock all their management and above employees in Federal prison for the remainder of their lives exactly how will that mitigate the damage from the accident that happened in the Gulf?

How would you propose we do that when 1. BP isnt an american company, and 2. the spill is in international waters?

 

[Kirby]

Do you honestly assume they are doing EVERYTHING imaginable to stop this ASAP... do you?

How long has it been happening

What will the long term effects be to the USA and to North America

Probably. It's been a PR nightmare, not to mention the dollars leaking out.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

look at the first page of P&N..

One thread about this oil spill and 7? about the immigration whiners?

Not surprizing given that the most prolific thread starters in P&N are GOP leaning right wingers. The immigration issue gives them foder to do some Obama bashing, the BP spill issue hits them in their base and makes them look bad.

I almost laughed myself to death on Sunday when miss "Drill baby, Drill" was trying to claim Obama was in bed with big oil. She must think the American people are stupider than she is.

 

[her209]

Do you honestly assume they are doing EVERYTHING imaginable to stop this ASAP... do you?

BP is doing EVERYTHING imaginable to stop the leakage of their profits, the oil is second.

 

[Linflas]

How would you propose we do that when 1. BP isnt an american company, and 2. the spill is in international waters?

I don't propose that at all. I'm just asking if we "fought BP" to the most extreme what would be the benefit? There was more than a little sarcasm in that response. What I would actually like to see is oversight to ensure that BP is doing all they can to mitigate the effects and seal the well and a rational investigation into the cause of the spill and what can be learned to prevent this particular type of accident again. In other words handle it like we do a plane crash where the investigation is all about learning the cause and doing whatever can be done to prevent future occurrences.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Not surprizing given that the most prolific thread starters in P&N are GOP leaning right wingers. The immigration issue gives them foder to do some Obama bashing, the BP spill issue hits them in their base and makes them look bad.

I almost laughed myself to death on Sunday when miss "Drill baby, Drill" was trying to claim Obama was in bed with big oil. She must think the American people are stupider than she is.

He was elected on promises that could not be kept. She may be correct.

The Feds were supposed to provide some oversight on the drilling - apparently they were very very lax given all the problems that have come to light w/ respect to this one incident. How many others situations are ready to fail because of one weak link.

He is in charge of the system now - it is his people that have to answer and be answered to.

 

[MovingTarget]

Why do we have to pick one or the other?

QFT - Congress can screw up more than one thing simultaneously. It is much more efficient than screwing things up one at a time.

 

[ProfJohn]

This reminds me of Katrina when Bush and his administration were doing everything possible and it still wasn't enough.

Now we have Obama and his administration doing everything possible, and it still isn't enough.

Perhaps it is time to recognize that our government can't solve all of our problems.

BTW the best way to prevent this from happening again is to hold BP fiscally responsible for ALL the costs. When they are forced to payout a few hundred million dollars then all of the oil companies drilling off shore will make sure it doesn't happen again.

 

[werepossum]

Why sit around fighting about that shit when BP is destroying the whole coastline of 20% of America

I don't trust that the right people are in charge of this cleanup.. this is insanity

Hey... at least they offer a free video to watch the lethal injection they are giving the bottom third of North America
http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_int...local_assets/bp_homepage/html/rov_stream.html

Man, just when I think you've hit intellectual rock bottom you begin to dig. The two issues have no conflicts, and if we can't do both then we just need to turn the country over to Canada. Neither government nor private industry tracks the number of threads on ATP&N.

Just to be clear, Obama is handling neither illegal immigration nor the BP oil well leak. And I believe he is your guy, not mine.

 

[blackangst1]

I don't propose that at all. I'm just asking if we "fought BP" to the most extreme what would be the benefit? There was more than a little sarcasm in that response. What I would actually like to see is oversight to ensure that BP is doing all they can to mitigate the effects and seal the well and a rational investigation into the cause of the spill and what can be learned to prevent this particular type of accident again. In other words handle it like we do a plane crash where the investigation is all about learning the cause and doing whatever can be done to prevent future occurrences.

Fair enough. I misunderstood you

 

[nonlnear]

OP here's what the thread title should have been:

What is more important right now.. whining on the interwebz about immigration or whining on the interwebz about BP

 

[blackangst1]

This reminds me of Katrina when Bush and his administration were doing everything possible and it still wasn't enough.

Now we have Obama and his administration doing everything possible, and it still isn't enough.

Perhaps it is time to recognize that our government can't solve all of our problems.

BTW the best way to prevent this from happening again is to hold BP fiscally responsible for ALL the costs. When they are forced to payout a few hundred million dollars then all of the oil companies drilling off shore will make sure it doesn't happen again.

Well, except people were crucifying Bush.

 

[boomerang]

Man, just when I think you've hit intellectual rock bottom you begin to dig. The two issues have no conflicts, and if we can't do both then we just need to turn the country over to Canada. Neither government nor private industry tracks the number of threads on ATP&N.

Just to be clear, Obama is handling neither illegal immigration nor the BP oil well leak. And I believe he is your guy, not mine.

Plus, jobs are more important than either of those. But we are getting lots of new social programs paid for with borrowed money.

 

[CycloWizard]

So every time that it is demonstrated how ridiculous your position is in one of your threads, you're just going to start another one? Why don't you address the points made in your previous thread before starting another diversion thread? My guess is that you can't, so it's easier to change the subject. The obvious answer to your question is that both can be discussed simultaneously with little problem by those of us with the ability to consider more than one idea at a time.

 

[werepossum]

Plus, jobs are more important than either of those. But we are getting lots of new social programs paid for with borrowed money.

Agreed. Unfortunately no one really knows how we can bring back jobs. One side thinks government can take enough money to provide them, and the other side thinks that a 10% cut in corporate taxes will somehow make a $10/hour employee magically competitive with a $1/hour employee. Until we figure out how to have manufacturing jobs in this country, we're going to continue with high deficits and increasing disparity in wealth until our system crashes, no matter which party is in power.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

The immigration issue is more important. It's obvious to everyone that we have a problem with the Gulf oil spill and that it needs to be addressed. However, we have a much harder fight to convince the public that we need to end illegal immigration and reduce legal immigration.

 

[spidey07]

Illegal immigration is much more costly and damaging to our country than this small BP accident could ever cause. So most of the attention should focus on illegals, jobs and spending because they are related to each other. Oil spill, just a small Obama fuck up...it's his Katrina and fail president is still fail.