What is more important right now.. whining about immigration or fighting BP

[Jaskalas]

Yes.. obviously you can work on both at the same time

Your attitude about the two of them is where we differ

Which is more urgent to be fixed at the fastest rate possible?

Immigration will permanently change our society. The ramifications run deeper than any act of legislation and the growing divisions are likely to lead to the balkinization of the United States.

An oil spill in the gulf, while a disaster, will cost less in both money and lives. Decades from now it will be just a footnote.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

You act like you being born here makes you someone special.. completely different than them.

I wasn't born here sorry that white guilt crap doesn't work with me. Of course I would only wave one flag period and that would be the US flag.

Go try and live in Mexico with all the corrupt government officials taking bribes from US Corporations to keep the wages dirt cheap and pay the people as little as possible

go check on the drug war and tell me if we are helping or hurting others

Great so this explains why they only swear loyalty to Mexico over the US? They are not coming here because they love this nation they come here because they want to make money and then send it all back to Mexico while taking advantage of our tax payer funded social services at the expense of US citizens.

Wasn't it Reagan and his friends who helped give weapons to people down in that area to use to kill each other and run drugs with?

Which has nothing to do with Mexico or the fact that cartels can and do buy guns from all over the world including from Mexico's army personnel who sell their weapons.

 

[SandEagle]

whichever one helps keep gas prices down, i'm all for fighting the other

 

[spittledip]

Both are important. To think that one or the other will not have lasting repercussions is to be woefully short-sighted.

 

[nobodyknows]

look at the first page of P&N..

One thread about this oil spill and 7? about the immigration whiners?

It seems quite clear to me we need to do something about both, but exactly what to do about stopping the oil is beyond my expertise.

 

[DAGTA]

Maybe it's just too much common sense: if you don't have a plan, technology and resources for handling accidents like this, then you shouldn't be drilling.

 

[werepossum]

Oh great, more "He's not my president!" nonsense. I thought we were done with that garbage?

He is my President; he is not my guy. I haven't had a guy since Reagan.

 

[Patranus]

Government set to quadruple oil tax....

Responding to the massive BP oil spill, Congress is getting ready to quadruple—to 32 cents a barrel—a tax on oil used to help finance cleanups. The increase would raise nearly $11 billion over the next decade.

Tax baby tax!

Taxpayers will not pick up the tab," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said Monday.

Um. What exactly do they think taxing every oil company inevitably does?
Why should my Chevron gas be taxed to pay for BP's liability?

I can't wait for this it hit the pumps.

$5/gallon gas here we come. Woot!

Now, if this was really about cleanup costs and BP is 100% liable for these costs, why would every barrel of oil need this tax increase as the government is going to be reimbursed by BP?

Oh thats right, never let a good crisis go to waste.

 

[Sclamoz]

Government set to quadruple oil tax....



Tax baby tax!



Um. What exactly do they think taxing every oil company inevitably does?
Why should my Chevron gas be taxed to pay for BP's liability?

I can't wait for this it hit the pumps.

$5/gallon gas here we come. Woot!

Now, if this was really about cleanup costs and BP is 100% liable for these costs, why would every barrel of oil need this tax increase as the government is going to be reimbursed by BP?

Oh thats right, never let a good crisis go to waste.

Its a tax that has been in place for a while to make sure there is money available to deal with a major disaster. As the article you didn't link to explained:

BP executives told Congress last week that they would pay “all legitimate claims’’ for damages. But the government needs upfront money to respond to spills, as well as funds to pay for cleanups when the responsible party is unable to pay or is unknown.

Money spent from the fund can later be recovered from the company responsible for the spill.

The Oil Spill Liability Trust Fund has about $1.5 billion available. Under current law, only $1 billion can be spent from the fund on a single incident. The bill would increase the spending limit to $5 billion.

Also BP is only liable for 75 million, they aren't liable to payback everything sadly.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/37207.html

 

[Patranus]

Its a tax that has been in place for a while to make sure there is money available to deal with a major disaster. As the article you didn't link to explained:



Also BP is only liable for 75 million, they aren't liable to payback everything sadly.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/37207.html

So money is taxed from the oil companies and passed onto the consumer and then the government can recover the money from BP and you are telling me that I will get a check in the mail?

(I wont hold my breath)

 

[Throckmorton]

He is my President; he is not my guy. I haven't had a guy since Reagan.

What would Reagan do about the oil spill?

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
Ronald Reagan

 

[Throckmorton]

So money is taxed from the oil companies and passed onto the consumer and then the government can recover the money from BP and you are telling me that I will get a check in the mail?

(I wont hold my breath)

75 million / # of taxpayers in America = how much?

 

[shortylickens]

For me?
Illegal immigration. Its been a problem for 30 years. And now that Arizona is forcing the issue out into the open, and acknowledging theres no reason to be ashamed of disliking illegals, its something that can be dealt with. Granted, some of their methods have been insane, but its getting the issue serious attention for the first time since Reagans years.

The oil situation is going to require massive amounts of work, but it will be dealt with in time.
The illegal situation is going to require more than just time. People will need to stay concerned and vigilant. I am thinking the Obama administration will just try to ride this out and hope it goes away, instead of dealing with it.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Investigators-Edmonds-rape-suspect-deported-nine-times-94637479.html

I wonder what your attitude would be like if this happened to your mom/sister/etc. Would it be "whining" then?

F'n liberal twits...

 

[nick1985]

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Investigators-Edmonds-rape-suspect-deported-nine-times-94637479.html

I wonder what your attitude would be like if this happened to your mom/sister/etc. Would it be "whining" then?

F'n liberal twits...

Makes me sick to my stomache

 

[CycloWizard]

Maybe it's just too much common sense: if you don't have a plan, technology and resources for handling accidents like this, then you shouldn't be drilling.

If you can't guarantee that you'll never cause an accident, you shouldn't be driving. If you don't have a plan for when you get fired, you shouldn't have a job. Really?

 

[Descartes]

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Investigators-Edmonds-rape-suspect-deported-nine-times-94637479.html

I wonder what your attitude would be like if this happened to your mom/sister/etc. Would it be "whining" then?

F'n liberal twits...

Black people rape too. Damn those civil rights people!

In all seriousness, quit with this histrionic bullshit. No one condones rape or supports any policy that allows it to continue.

 

[Atheus]

So money is taxed from the oil companies and passed onto the consumer and then the government can recover the money from BP and you are telling me that I will get a check in the mail?

(I wont hold my breath)

You'll get a cheque back for exactly what you wote one for presumably, which is 0...

Just out of curiosity if we shut down BP, liquidate all their assets, lock all their management and above employees in Federal prison for the remainder of their lives exactly how will that mitigate the damage from the accident that happened in the Gulf?

Can't do that anyway. Best they could do is deny BP a licence to drill.

 

[DAGTA]

If you can't guarantee that you'll never cause an accident, you shouldn't be driving. If you don't have a plan for when you get fired, you shouldn't have a job. Really?

As for driving: I have insurance and there exists mechanics to fix cars, constructions workers to fix roadways, and construction workers to fix buildings. Damage I may cause in a car accident can be fixed quickly. Likewise, there are contingencies for losing jobs.

If you don't have a plan for fixing a broken pipe at 5,000ft depth, should you be laying pipe at 5,000ft depth?

 

[rudder]

look at the first page of P&N..

One thread about this oil spill and 7? about the immigration whiners?

I don't see you going down to the gulf and cleaning up oil. Do we have to drop everything else in order to focus on the BP oil spill for the next year???? I think most people here have the ability to discuss more than one topic. To "fight" BP you simply need to call your congressional representatives and senators and tell them to pressure the White House for more action. Beyond that you are welcome to go stand on the beach with a protest sign.

The BP oil spill is what it is. Immigration reform and particularly what to do about the problem of illegal immigration is a huge political issue. It has been going on far longer than the BP spill.

 

[Ldir]

And there is not a Democratic owned business that does not use illegals?
Or a Democratic wealthy household?

I didn't say that. Wingnuts try to blame only Democrats for illegal immigration. Look at CADsortaGUY and Nick1985 comments for example. Republicans are to blame too. Many Republican businessmen love cheap illegal labor.

 

[Ldir]

What would Reagan do about the oil spill?

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
Ronald Reagan

It was true when he was president. He was a disaster for American workers.

 

[palehorse]

If you don't have a plan for fixing a broken pipe at 5,000ft depth, should you be laying pipe at 5,000ft depth?

aka "The Mile Low Club"?

Haven't joined that one myself... yet.

 

[CycloWizard]

As for driving: I have insurance and there exists mechanics to fix cars, constructions workers to fix roadways, and construction workers to fix buildings. Damage I may cause in a car accident can be fixed quickly. Likewise, there are contingencies for losing jobs.

If you don't have a plan for fixing a broken pipe at 5,000ft depth, should you be laying pipe at 5,000ft depth?

I suppose I'll agree with that. Now I feel all wishy washy. :hmm:

 

[nick1985]

I didn't say that. Wingnuts try to blame only Democrats for illegal immigration. Look at CADsortaGUY and Nick1985 comments for example. Republicans are to blame too. Many Republican businessmen love cheap illegal labor.

Well Ldir, I re-read all of my comments in this thread 3 times now, and I cant for the life of me figure out how anyone could infer that I was soley blaming Democrats on the issue.

Care to point me to the post that gave you that impression?

Thanks