What is next after Skyrim?

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DefDC

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Just to throw out the obligatory Kickstarters, as to what's coming NEXT. Project Eternity (Pillars of Eternity), Wasteland 2, and Torment! These will certainly keep me busy until FO4 and the next TES solo game.
 

shortylickens

No Lifer
Jul 15, 2003
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It's also most likely going to leave out a ton of content. They'll bring over the main story and some of the bigger side quests. But it would be too much work to try and import every little side quest and make sure it works properly in the Skyrim engine.

Actually, they ARE trying to get every little side quest working.
This thing started when skyrim came out and they've been on it constantly. In fact they always beg for help from programmers.

I think this is one of those major things they may never get finished.
 

darkewaffle

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Oct 7, 2005
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I think I made it about 45 minutes into Skyrim. Even at just $7.50 it provided lower value than almost any other game I've played lol.

Far Cry 3 and FC3: Blood Dragon are both awesome, some of the best games I've played.
 

DefDC

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Aug 28, 2003
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It's killing me... I just started playing Far Cry 3 last week. I'm half way through and having an amazing time. Now, out of the blue, it's a buggy mess. It crashes contantly, and, most painfully, more often when in a mission than when exploring...

I've tried all the typical fixes, but haven't actually submitted a ticket to Ubi.

My friend started up around the same time. He completed the game without the bugs.

One of the best FPSs when it's working though!
 

mcvickj

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Dec 13, 2001
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I have had Skyrim since release but have hardly played it. At the time I was having issues with my PC and got wrapped up into other games. Thought about getting it reinstalled and playing it. Are there any mods / patches / etc that you feel should be installed to enjoy the game? Or are most playing the stock game?
 

Face2Face

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Jun 6, 2001
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I have had Skyrim since release but have hardly played it. At the time I was having issues with my PC and got wrapped up into other games. Thought about getting it reinstalled and playing it. Are there any mods / patches / etc that you feel should be installed to enjoy the game? Or are most playing the stock game?

Here is a good list of mods to use, that won't break the vanilla feel for the most part.

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/30936/?


You don't have to use the ENB, but the mods he listed are quite good.
 

norseamd

Lifer
Dec 13, 2013
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Are there any mods / patches / etc that you feel should be installed to enjoy the game? Or are most playing the stock game?

depends on what you want. since you have never played the base game it can be hard to recommend some mods that may dramatically change the game. a lot of the basic graphical mods are recommended. some like the civil war overhaul and deadly dragons seem to be used by a lot of people. ones like when vampires attack and run for your lives are recommended as they do not break the base game and only enhance it. would recommend requiem if you are feeling like you want a more old school rpg that plays somewhat like dark souls in comabt difficulty without the nonrealistic slowness of the combat of dark souls.

have any of you guys tried requiem?
 

Bateluer

Lifer
Jun 23, 2001
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As much as I love the ES franchise, from my very first play of Arena, I can't call Skyrim great. The world was beautiful, but the gameplay was very shallow: way too much hand-holding; way, way too much boilerplate, useless loot; way, way, way too few NPC voicings repeated far too often, etc., etc. Dragons were basically flying Oblivion gates. Too common and too easy to kill. All this stuff has become so endemic to the whole Bethesda design philosophy that it's essentially their trademark now: beautiful worlds, empty as a bag of air.

Hard to disagree with this post. Elder Scrolls games have definitely slid down into extreme consolitus with each successive generation. Fortunately, for PC players, most of these issues can be fixed with mods. I'd like to think Bethesda will pull back to game play thats less dumbed down, but I doubt it.

With the FO4 rumors coming so frequently, I'm not sure its so far off. Maybe a year or two after they announce it formally.
 

norseamd

Lifer
Dec 13, 2013
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Hard to disagree with this post. Elder Scrolls games have definitely slid down into extreme consolitus with each successive generation. Fortunately, for PC players, most of these issues can be fixed with mods. I'd like to think Bethesda will pull back to game play thats less dumbed down, but I doubt it. With the FO4 rumors coming so frequently, I'm not sure its so far off. Maybe a year or two after they announce it formally.

tried daggerfall recently and while i have yet to go farther in it the combat is fairly hard to run as you have to swipe your mouse across the screen and it is not the most responsive engine. also you can not look around while moving which means you have to stop moving to change direction

how is the content farther in

how do you think morrowind compares to arena or daggerfall
 

clok1966

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Jul 6, 2004
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surprised at the bashing, there are really 2 types of RPG, the ones where you make the story, or the ones where you read text all day long and let a random number generator decide your outcome. While a great story is very good thing to have. I never felt ES had more then a background story, your gameplay changed it, and thats where the ES games where great (IMHO). There is no doubt the combat in ES games is weak, but real time Sword and Board hasn't been done much better (has it?). I never needed the story to tell me what to do, hence most linear RPG's are boring to me. I have hundreds of hours in these games and have done hardly any of the "MAIN" quests. After all the RPG's of old (that where great for there time) I really love to explore.. Never felt like that in most other games, few zones, few dungeons, game over. ES games (daggerfall especially) have huge worlds with tons of neat little corners. I know the ADD crowd of phone games and COD wont much care for seeing a Minecraft Sword homage at some almost inaccessible place that does nothing more then make you smile a cool thing. The subtle things like prices changing at vendors because you chose a side they don't like.

no I dont find ES skyrim bad, combat could be improved, agreed, the silly ways you can OP yourself by spamming spells etc could be removed (but for those of us that know they are exploits, we just dont do them). The lore is average at best, but I dont play it to read.

back to OP question, if SKYRIM is so average.. whats next? whats better? (ES and FO games aside). And since its SKYRIM i would suspect he is talking non turn based combat, open world. Hmm some type of Vats in Skyrim would be interesting.. Vats is very flawed IMHO, but it could be interesting to have another option, if it was changed up some.
 

shortylickens

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Jul 15, 2003
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tried daggerfall recently and while i have yet to go farther in it the combat is fairly hard to run as you have to swipe your mouse across the screen and it is not the most responsive engine. also you can not look around while moving which means you have to stop moving to change direction

The engines get better over time but sadly it seems the devs use that as an excuse to dumb down gameplay and cut back on meaningful content.

Morrowind was a step forward in graphics but had horrid physics. Oblivion improved the physics a great deal but left us with a relatively stale generic fantasy world. Shivering Isles was neat but as an add-on that arrived much later it left many people behind. A lot of folks were already fed up with the game at that point and never went back.

Skyrim is gorgeous and felt like a living breathing tundra world, but they went with a lot of old standbys like dragons and such. The demi-human races were made even more generic (Bretons are now basically short imperials), and they ripped out a lot of gameplay mechanics and simplified others.

The addition of a perk buy system was really more annoying than helpful.
 

norseamd

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The addition of a perk buy system was really more annoying than helpful.

actually i really like the classless system. what i really want is for them to get rid of levlling al together. and have perks that are earned through training, certain gameplay events like completing quests or defeating so many enemies, raising skills to a certain level, or as divine events or rewards.
 

norseamd

Lifer
Dec 13, 2013
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no I dont find ES skyrim bad, combat could be improved, agreed, the silly ways you can OP yourself by spamming spells etc could be removed (but for those of us that know they are exploits, we just dont do them). The lore is average at best, but I dont play it to read.

and what do you want better than skyrim combat. i would rather keep a more realistic style than some of the fps action rpgs so how it could be better is something of interest to me
 

shortylickens

No Lifer
Jul 15, 2003
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actually i really like the classless system. what i really want is for them to get rid of levlling al together. and have perks that are earned through training, certain gameplay events like completing quests or defeating so many enemies, raising skills to a certain level, or as divine events or rewards.

buying perks has nothing to do with class or classless.

Those special abilities you got were automatic in Oblivion. You didnt have to spend limited perk points to get them.

When you got a skill to 25, 50, 75, and 100, you got some sort of little special ability. It was automatic and it worked fine.
 

videogames101

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i mean morrowind's lore is second to none, but the combat mechanics were god awful - somebody let me know when they make a TES game with modern mechanics but include all the fascinating lore and world-building from morrowind, that would be the best rpg of all time

oh, and more unique worlds like the eastern theme of morrowind please!

oblivion and skyrim settings are so played out
 

JumBie

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May 2, 2011
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Surprisingly, for me, putting all the Skyrim hype aside. It was a mediocre game, especially because it suppose to be the leader of AAA RPG's. In all honestly I enjoyed Oblivion more, and found Oblivion to have a better story, and environment. Skyrim added dragons which was so gimmicky its not even funny, it was useless. There was nothing special or epic about the dragons. The animations in the game were absolutely terrible, I cant stress that enough. The A.I is dumber than dumb. The graphics were ok, but nothing special to be honest. I only got about 40 hours into the game, never completed the main quest, I just found the game to contain so many problems the first one had. The selection of enemies was so limited, and the selection of weapons was as well. You would think a game like this would have 1000 items, well....no, theres like 5 types of each kind of weapon. So everyones play through is the same in terms of items. I don't know, I am expecting a lot more for the next one if that ever managed to come out, because in my eyes Skyrim wasn't that great.
 

Markbnj

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Hard to disagree with this post. Elder Scrolls games have definitely slid down into extreme consolitus with each successive generation. Fortunately, for PC players, most of these issues can be fixed with mods. I'd like to think Bethesda will pull back to game play thats less dumbed down, but I doubt it.

With the FO4 rumors coming so frequently, I'm not sure its so far off. Maybe a year or two after they announce it formally.

Maybe I should fire it up again and try it with some mods.
 

norseamd

Lifer
Dec 13, 2013
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When you got a skill to 25, 50, 75, and 100, you got some sort of little special ability. It was automatic and it worked fine.

alright but i like the expanded perk tree.. just think if training was more interactive and you could not only train your skills more but learn some more perks
 

norseamd

Lifer
Dec 13, 2013
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Surprisingly, for me, putting all the Skyrim hype aside. It was a mediocre game, especially because it suppose to be the leader of AAA RPG's. In all honestly I enjoyed Oblivion more, and found Oblivion to have a better story, and environment. Skyrim added dragons which was so gimmicky its not even funny, it was useless. There was nothing special or epic about the dragons. The animations in the game were absolutely terrible, I cant stress that enough. The A.I is dumber than dumb. The graphics were ok, but nothing special to be honest. I only got about 40 hours into the game, never completed the main quest, I just found the game to contain so many problems the first one had. The selection of enemies was so limited, and the selection of weapons was as well. You would think a game like this would have 1000 items, well....no, theres like 5 types of each kind of weapon. So everyones play through is the same in terms of items. I don't know, I am expecting a lot more for the next one if that ever managed to come out, because in my eyes Skyrim wasn't that great.

tamriel is okay but not the greatest setting. i think forgotten realms is much better. the dragons are much more powerful but taht might be due to how bethesda decided to integrate dragons with the skyrim gameplay. the limited amount of equipment and invetory items was very dissapointing. as was the lack of spears and polearms.
 

cmdrdredd

Lifer
Dec 12, 2001
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surprised at the bashing, there are really 2 types of RPG, the ones where you make the story, or the ones where you read text all day long and let a random number generator decide your outcome. While a great story is very good thing to have. I never felt ES had more then a background story, your gameplay changed it, and thats where the ES games where great (IMHO). There is no doubt the combat in ES games is weak, but real time Sword and Board hasn't been done much better (has it?). I never needed the story to tell me what to do, hence most linear RPG's are boring to me. I have hundreds of hours in these games and have done hardly any of the "MAIN" quests. After all the RPG's of old (that where great for there time) I really love to explore.. Never felt like that in most other games, few zones, few dungeons, game over. ES games (daggerfall especially) have huge worlds with tons of neat little corners. I know the ADD crowd of phone games and COD wont much care for seeing a Minecraft Sword homage at some almost inaccessible place that does nothing more then make you smile a cool thing. The subtle things like prices changing at vendors because you chose a side they don't like.

no I dont find ES skyrim bad, combat could be improved, agreed, the silly ways you can OP yourself by spamming spells etc could be removed (but for those of us that know they are exploits, we just dont do them). The lore is average at best, but I dont play it to read.

back to OP question, if SKYRIM is so average.. whats next? whats better? (ES and FO games aside). And since its SKYRIM i would suspect he is talking non turn based combat, open world. Hmm some type of Vats in Skyrim would be interesting.. Vats is very flawed IMHO, but it could be interesting to have another option, if it was changed up some.

You make good points and I will add that the main draw for Skyrim is the sidequests and little things you find as you explore the caves and actually walk around the world and don't use fast travel. You will run into some random people asking you to do random things and sometimes it turns out to be a pretty funny quest line.
 

JumBie

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You make good points and I will add that the main draw for Skyrim is the sidequests and little things you find as you explore the caves and actually walk around the world and don't use fast travel. You will run into some random people asking you to do random things and sometimes it turns out to be a pretty funny quest line.

I find RPG's with a more linear story, that actually takes you through it while giving you some freedom, far more appealing than the complete freedom ES games give you. When you give me too much to do, sure its fun, but I never end up completing the story. And while I still have a good time with the game, I find I have more fun when I complete the story and have an experience that is akin to reading a good book, or watching a good movie.

Games like The Witcher 2, gave me some freedom but still pushed me through the story, and I had a blast. Dragon Age 1 & 2 gave me a great experience. Even a game I completely hate, Diablo 3 made for a great experience.

I find complete freedom in games causes a lot of problems in terms of distinguishing what the game actually is, and how to approach it. Games like Saints row, and GTA, are fun. But at the end of the day I feel like all they are, are games where you create your own experience.
 

norseamd

Lifer
Dec 13, 2013
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I find RPG's with a more linear story, that actually takes you through it while giving you some freedom, far more appealing than the complete freedom ES games give you. When you give me too much to do, sure its fun, but I never end up completing the story. And while I still have a good time with the game, I find I have more fun when I complete the story and have an experience that is akin to reading a good book, or watching a good movie. Games like The Witcher 2, gave me some freedom but still pushed me through the story, and I had a blast. Dragon Age 1 & 2 gave me a great experience. Even a game I completely hate, Diablo 3 made for a great experience. I find complete freedom in games causes a lot of problems in terms of distinguishing what the game actually is, and how to approach it. Games like Saints row, and GTA, are fun. But at the end of the day I feel like all they are, are games where you create your own experience.

just wait until we model the open world even more and the whole world moves and lives and then you will have to complete quests in a certain amount of time in a completely open world
 

Bateluer

Lifer
Jun 23, 2001
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Just to throw out the obligatory Kickstarters, as to what's coming NEXT. Project Eternity (Pillars of Eternity), Wasteland 2, and Torment! These will certainly keep me busy until FO4 and the next TES solo game.

Don't forget about Warhorse's Kingdom Come: Deliverance.
 

JumBie

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just wait until we model the open world even more and the whole world moves and lives and then you will have to complete quests in a certain amount of time in a completely open world

Well thats something I can get on board with.
 
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