What is the deal with BF3?

[aaksheytalwar]

Resolution?

 

[wand3r3r]

Looking at his sig it'd be 1600p with 680 SLI.

 

[Makaveli]

I installed MP and as expected, I was right.

BF3 MP

A random 64 player map:
1080p Ultra no AA : avg fps 90-120, min 70-90 fps
1440p Ultra no AA : avg fps 80-100. Min fps 70+
1080p Ultra 4x MSAA : same as above

Caspian border:
1080p Ultra 4x MSAA: Avg 60+ with occasional dips to 50s. Again, very playable.
Now if I just remove MSAA or even use 2x MSAA then I will easily get 60+ fps minimum 99.9% of the time including fights.

My experience with BF3 MP is exactly the same as with SP. there is no difference in fps. And I have tried 2 different 64 player maps. There may be a 10-15% performance hit or something but nothing extreme.

I rest my case.

How long was this play session?

 

[HeXen]

I really don't get it when people say that BF3 is taxing. Really, it is far from that.

because their talking about MP 64 player maps. No one plays SP, lol

 

[aaksheytalwar]

because their talking about MP 64 player maps. No one plays SP, lol

Can you read?

I have tried 64 player mp and still get just a 10-20% performance hit.

I played 4-5 games in different maps. For a few minutes each including having faced explosions now and then, intense shooting etc.

 

[Arkaign]

OP, you're pretty combative here. It almost seems like a troll thread.

I don't believe that anyone is trying to say that BF3 is the *most* demanding game out there, but MP 64P Ultra w/MSAA is definitely a stout recipe. It takes basically a ~4ghz 2500k w/680 or 7970 to approach a good playable speed in MP for those settings. That guy up there with the 5ghz 3930, 16GB 2133, and SLI 680s still gets drops into the 40s, and that's quite a rig. Similarly, I've seen BF3 run adequately well in SP on a lowly Athlon II X2 220 w/3GB and a 6670 @ 1600x900 (no AA, most details medium). That exact same rig is an unplayable mess in MP (I since helped him upgrade to a new PC entirely).

Sure you can turn AA off, but that's not in argument, BF3 without AA actually runs quite well on much more modest setups. That's sort of the point, it's a well-coded game performance-wise. View distance, destructible environment, and an absolute ton of overall detail in the large maps is a pretty fair achievement. Comparing it to things like Sleeping Dogs (graphics all over the place, but much much much smaller environments and no huge MP), Hitman Absolution (similar) aren't really apples to oranges, as we're comparing heavily console-oriented games there, which isn't fair to BF3 or to them. PC was an afterthought with SD and HA, and if better coding had been done, a considerably higher average framerate would have been possible on PC.

All of this sort of brings things full circle, which is to say what's the point of the thread. There is a huge amount of data out there already which confirms :

*- MP is much more resource-intensive than SP.
*- Driver performance has improved massively since BF3's initial release
*- Large playercount on screen with lots of explosions/destruction can still bring uber-rigs into the sub-60 range with ease
*- BF3 on release even put SLI 580 (high end for the time) to the test at 1200P/1440P, to say nothing of 6970CF WITH AA.
*- Turning AA off is a major performance boost.

It's sort of an exercise in common sense and common knowledge imho.

 

[3DVagabond]

I think BF3 offers the best combination of quality, popularity, hardware requirements, and brand neutrality of all the current games. That's why it's a good yardstick for measuring a cards performance and a lot of people turn to it. It's a very well balanced game as far as both GPU and CPU requirements.

That doesn't mean that there aren't other games. It's just that with many of them you know that some cards are going to fall above or below their "typical" performance in reference to other cards.

 

[aaksheytalwar]

I didn't switch off AA at 1080p. 1080p was with AA. 1440p was without AA. And every game I play is equally intensive.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

OP is a notorious returning banned member.

His most legendary thread: X1900XTX is crap

He does not reason, listen or comprehend. He posts. Oh, does he post. I feel sorry for anyone who tries in vain to argue facts. No amount of graphs, links, videos or knowledge will help.

There is no god.

 

[Arkaign]

OP is a notorious returning banned member.

His most legendary thread: X1900XTX is CRAP

He does not reason, listen or comprehend. He posts. Oh, does he post. I feel sorry for anyone who tries in vain to argue facts. No amount of graphs, links, videos or knowledge will help.

There is no god.

Ah wow, good catch. Definitely the exact same combative nature, simplistic viewpoints, and trollish presence.

"every game I play is equally intensive" Hah, yeah sure. That's because every single game runs on the exact same engine with the exact same CPU, GPU, and memory loads, with the exact same optimizations and exact same lack of optimizations for various features.

/thread

 

[chimaxi83]

OP is a notorious returning banned member.

His most legendary thread: X1900XTX is CRAP

He does not reason, listen or comprehend. He posts. Oh, does he post. I feel sorry for anyone who tries in vain to argue facts. No amount of graphs, links, videos or knowledge will help.

There is no god.

Lol wow, that is a great catch. He even used basically the same name D:

 

[brandon888]

Ah wow, good catch. Definitely the exact same combative nature, simplistic viewpoints, and trollish presence.

"every game I play is equally intensive" Hah, yeah sure. That's because every single game runs on the exact same engine with the exact same CPU, GPU, and memory loads, with the exact same optimizations and exact same lack of optimizations for various features.

/thread

that was funny men

but i have I7 3930K to ... so i will get cpu bottleneck in MP ? with 2 670/680 ? :O still will dip below 60 ? on 1080P ofc ;/



BTW ... BF3 is awesome game and even low end systems can run it ofc on low-medium settings ... sad this is that MP is TOOOO cpu sensitive ;/

i think that all games have to be GPU demanding .... even while online ..

 

[ozzy702]

I didn't switch off AA at 1080p. 1080p was with AA. 1440p was without AA. And every game I play is equally intensive.

Why without AA @ 1440p? If you're claiming that the game isn't demanding crank all the settings through the roof and then come back and tell us that you're pulling at least 60fps @ 1440p 24/7.

 

[scooterlibby]

I have to admit I was surprised. It runs in the 60's-90's for me even on 64 player maps with everything maxxed out on the reolution and hardware listed below.

 

[felang]

Do you know how to read? Or do you post just to increase your post count? I have already played 64 player maps and proved everybody wrong. My system handles the stuff pretty decently. I have already stated all this above.

Just to make sure, you´re playing on a FULL 64 player server and getting 70 fps min? I have a 680 (1250 mhz) and a 2600K at 4.5 GHZ and have never been able to maintain 60 fps min at 1440p ultra no MSAA and SMAA injector, while on a fully populated 64 player server.

I liked this line:


You did a good job explicitly stating that those minimums were momentary, but minimums in the 40s are still minimums in the 40s. Doesn't really matter if it's momentary, that is still your minimum. BF3 single player can't be compared to multiplayer, at all. Get into actual multiplayer gameplay before you make broad (and stupid) conclusions.

+1,000,000

 

[Informant X]

OP is a notorious returning banned member.

His most legendary thread: X1900XTX is crap

He does not reason, listen or comprehend. He posts. Oh, does he post. I feel sorry for anyone who tries in vain to argue facts. No amount of graphs, links, videos or knowledge will help.

There is no god.

gg

 

[Barfo]

Thank god for people like OP, we need them to put all those morons who claim BF3 is demanding in their place.

 

[Fx1]

I really don't get it when people say that BF3 is taxing. Really, it is far from that.

Of course I have only played the Single Player but I have finished it and it is one of the lightest games on my PC that I have played in recent times including Sleeping Dogs, Absolution, Farcry3, Crysis1 without mods, Crysis 2 without mods, NFS etc. all these games are far more intensive that BF3 SP.

These are the kind of FPS I used to get in BF3 SP with the setup below:
2600k 4.3
16gb ram ddr3 1866+
7970 at 1125 1575
Cat 12.4 or something. Way before recent drivers came out.

1080p 4x AA, everything max
Avg fps 80-100+ maybe higher I don't remember exactly
Min FPS mostly 70-80+ with rarely below 70 fps

1440p max but no Fxaa no msaa
Avg fps 70-90+
Min fps usually around 60-70 or so and very rarely below 60 if at all

And the other games I mentioned don't run this well with my rig, not even Crysis2 which is the lightest of the lot.

I really don't get it why people think it is intensive. There are dozens of games more intensive that this including Shogun, Metro, above list etc.

Of course MP is more intensive but I still don't see it being as intensive as some of the more intensive games I have played.

As for BC2 you rarely go below 50-70 fps even at 1440p 4x msaa and max. And avg is more like 80-120 fps or so.

you have a top GPU and a fast CPU and then you claim a game isnt taxing LOL

It obviously is or you wouldnt need a 7970 with 3GB of VRAM to play it at 60fps on max

 

[Arkaign]

you have a top GPU and a fast CPU and then you claim a game isnt taxing LOL

It obviously is or you wouldnt need a 7970 with 3GB of VRAM to play it at 60fps on max

Haha, and even then, with an OC'd 7970GE and OC'd i7, he STILL had MSAA disabled at his monitor's native resolution.

Running 1080p on a 1440p screen = nasty ugly.

 

[poohbear]

Yea the more u think about it the more u realize he's trolling! Lol 7979 & 2600k @ 4.4, ofcourse its gonna run fine!

 

[DirkGently1]

Worst 'look at my epeen' thread ever.

 

[deadken]

I really don't get it when people say that BF3 is taxing. Really, it is far from that.

Of course I have only played the Single Player....

You said EVERYTHING you needed to say in your first three sentences. You don't get it. Likely, you won't get it unless you stop using it the way that you are and start using it the way that others are. That might include playing it on a rig with similar specs as theirs.