What is the "Feminism"

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Texashiker

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I guess you don't understand what I mean by "equality between the sexes." It goes both ways. Equality is relative to how you act in life. Keep making wild generalizations though, I can see it makes you feel good.

Getting preferential treatment in divorce court, alimony, lower / reduced prison sentences than men, much lower rates of homeless,,, are not "wild generalizations", those are facts.

If feminist want to talk about equality, lets talk about men making up 80%+ of the people in jail for not paying child support. Surely women want to take financial responsibility for the children they bring into the world.

Lets talk "true" equality.

How do we get more women in prison for child support?

How do we abolish lifetime alimony laws that women generally benefit women more than men?

How do we ensure women make up their fair share of homeless people?

Then lets talk about suicide rates,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_differences_in_suicide

In the United States, the male-to-female suicide death ratio varies between 3:1 to 10:1. Typically males die from suicide three to four times more often as females, and, in some cases, five or more times as often.

But that is ok? Right?
 
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Subyman

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Females don't murder as many as males either. Can you explain that!?!?? What a joke of a discussion you have going on here. I'll just let you yell into the void from now on.
 

Texashiker

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Females don't murder as many as males either. Can you explain that!?!??

Testosterone.


What a joke of a discussion you have going on here. I'll just let you yell into the void from now on.

You are all for equality, right? Then talks talk about true equality.

How do we get more women in prison and increase the rates of homeless women?

Or maybe society should stop treating men as disposable products and treat men as good as women are treated?
 

gamervivek

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Women are weak, less risk-taking and would rather get other men to do it for them besides using less susceptible means like poison and of course getting away from suspicion/punishment via the pussy pass.
 

mikeymikec

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Women are weak, less risk-taking and would rather get other men to do it for them besides using less susceptible means like poison and of course getting away from suspicion/punishment via the pussy pass.

Says the male bad-mouthing women on Internet forums.

You extreme alpha male risk-taker you.
 

IGBT

Lifer
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"between the ages of 20 and 34 are not married"..that's also the phone phreak iPhone generation. Mesmerized and infatuated with their iCrap.
 

positivedoppler

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I wonder if the same feminist who advocate equal rights also insist on splitting the bill or even paying for the bill on the first date. I wonder if the same feminist feel that the current alimony law is fair when if we arrive at a point in which women on average makes as much as men and suddenly there is an expolsion of men collecting alimony while living with their new girlfriends and avoiding marriage or even finding a new job to continue collecting a free paycheck. There are a few laws, policy, and traditions that are heavily slanted in favor of women. Do feminist feel that we should also seek change in areas where men get the short end if the stick?
 
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mikeymikec

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I wonder if the same feminist who advocate equal rights also insist on splitting the bill or even paying for the bill on the first date. I wonder if the same feminist feel that the current alimony law is fair when if we arrive at a point in which women on average makes as much as men and suddenly there is an expolsion of men collecting alimony while living with their new girlfriends and avoiding marriage or even finding a new job to continue collecting a free paycheck. There are a few laws, policy, and traditions that are heavily slanted in favor of women. Do feminist feel that we should also seek change in areas where men get the short end if the stick?

You've got some things to wonder it appears. Have you considered asking someone who self-identifies as a feminist, or do you prefer to a) make implications of hypocrisy while remaining in ignorance, and/or b) assume that all feminists are women?

Have you also considered that as a result of the efforts to achieve equal rights for women, other gender-based biases that negatively affect men also get examined and addressed?
 

Blue_Max

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You've got some things to wonder it appears. Have you considered asking someone who self-identifies as a feminist, or do you prefer to a) make implications of hypocrisy while remaining in ignorance, and/or b) assume that all feminists are women?

Have you also considered that as a result of the efforts to achieve equal rights for women, other gender-based biases that negatively affect men also get examined and addressed?

Instead of bad-mouthing him, why don't you answer the damn question?!?
 

mikeymikec

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Instead of bad-mouthing him, why don't you answer the damn question?!?

What makes you think he wanted to ask me a question? Do you want to ask a guy who believes in gender equality whether he believes that a sexist tradition (based on more than one sexist notion), such as "the guy should pay the bill" should still be adhered to, or does that seem like a really stupid question to ask?

At which point did I bad-mouth him?

He implied his belief that feminists are hypocrites, surely no question there.

He had questions that he seemingly wanted answering, so surely he was ignorant on certain points otherwise he wouldn't have been answering questions.
 
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positivedoppler

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What makes you think he wanted to ask me a question? Do you want to ask a guy who believes in gender equality whether he believes that a sexist tradition (based on more than one sexist notion), such as "the guy should pay the bill" should still be adhered to, or does that seem like a really stupid question to ask?

At which point did I bad-mouth him?

He implied his belief that feminists are hypocrites, surely no question there.

He had questions that he seemingly wanted answering, so surely he was ignorant on certain points otherwise he wouldn't have been answering questions.


Is judging people via the question they ask the norm around here? I had no idea that by asking those set of questions I'm declaring feminist as hypocrites. I guess I better be careful of what I ask around here since it so easily seem to touch a nerve.

If you represent the majority of the feminists or a small subset of them, then surely you would not have any issuing answering my individual questions for them such as should a guy always be responsible for flipping the bill on the first date. Or if you would prefer to answer the one simple one.
Do feminists believe that both men and women should be treated equally under by law, tradition, and social expectation or do they only care to only address situations in which the women get the short end of the stick.
 

Londo_Jowo

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I wonder if the same feminist feel that the current alimony law is fair when if we arrive at a point in which women on average makes as much as men and suddenly there is an expolsion of men collecting alimony while living with their new girlfriends and avoiding marriage or even finding a new job to continue collecting a free paycheck. There are a few laws, policy, and traditions that are heavily slanted in favor of women. Do feminist feel that we should also seek change in areas where men get the short end if the stick?

The tide is changing.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/24/us-divorce-alimony-men-idUSBRE9BN0AW20131224

More men get alimony from their ex-wives
 

mikeymikec

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Is judging people via the question they ask the norm around here? I had no idea that by asking those set of questions I'm declaring feminist as hypocrites. I guess I better be careful of what I ask around here since it so easily seem to touch a nerve.

No, you haven't touched a nerve. However, your post suggested that you believed that "such people" have double standards. IMO if you were honestly asking an open-ended question in an unbiased manner in order to learn something, you wouldn't have asked the question in such a way that carried what appear to be fairly obvious implications, especially in a forum where many people think that the words "feminist" and "feminazi" are synonymous.

If you represent the majority of the feminists
No, people who self-identify as feminists do not have an official spokesperson. I think the closest thing to an opinion in common with the majority of feminists is that they believe in gender quality with a focus on levelling the playing field for women in Western societies, but as with any ideologies, objectives, opinions, and definitions vary depending on whom you ask.

I've already pointed out the logical fallacies that make your first question problematic. As for your second question, as I've said already, it would depend on whom you ask. One might suppose that a female feminist is more likely to only care about issues that affect women specifically, that a male feminist might care about issues that represent gender biases aimed at men or women, or that a feminist of either gender cares about gender equality in general, or infinite degrees anywhere in the ideological region where feminism is supposed to reside in the spectrum of belief.
 
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