What is the "Feminism"

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Texashiker

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How about we don't hit anyone? Troll around the pond a few more times, I'll keep nibbling.

If women really want to be equal, they have to be willing to get punched by men.

In the name of equality feminist should be demanding women register for the draft, pay their fair share of child support, she work and he stay home with the kids, she work long hours, dangerous jobs, rotating shifts and serve as many combat tours as men.

Equality, right?
 
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nickqt

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In the name of equality feminist should be demanding women register for the draft, pay their fair share of child support, she work and he stay home with the kids, she work long hours, dangerous jobs and rotating shifts.

Equality, right?

Women should be calling to be incarcerated in prisons in the same proportion as men, too, because equality, I guess.

This is fun.
 

Texashiker

Lifer
Dec 18, 2010
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Women should be calling to be incarcerated in prisons in the same proportion as men, too, because equality, I guess.

This is fun.

How about equal jail time?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/11/men-women-prison-sentence-length-gender-gap_n_1874742.html

A new study by Sonja Starr, an assistant law professor at the University of Michigan, found that men are given much higher sentences than women convicted of the same crimes in federal court.

The study found that men receive sentences that are 63 percent higher, on average, than their female counterparts.

But for some reason feminist think they are oppressed?
 

mikeymikec

Lifer
May 19, 2011
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Ever considered a sex change? That could be your ticket to the good life.

I'd donate to that cause!

I would also donate the entire $5 necessary for someone to write a script to maintain the old TH's presence on these forums. It would bring a tear to the eye and a smile from regulars here, and conversations along the following lines:

What an insightful woman!
Wasn't it amazing how she single-handedly championed several causes for the common downtrodden man, becoming the first female to be drafted, and successfully dismantling the ideology known as feminism after proving that women indeed have had it better than men through a combination of more favourable prison sentences, the myth of violence against them and not getting drafted!
 

Ancalagon44

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I want to see a feminist campaign to repeal the policy of women first when there is an emergency. Should be children first, then children's parents (male or female), then childless males and females last. You know, for equality. What if the child is closer to her father? Should the father still die?

If a feminist does that, I might believe that they actually care about equality.
 

nickqt

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I want to see a feminist campaign to repeal the policy of women first when there is an emergency. Should be children first, then children's parents (male or female), then childless males and females last. You know, for equality. What if the child is closer to her father? Should the father still die?

If a feminist does that, I might believe that they actually care about equality.
Is this standup, or is this something you actually believe?
 

mikeymikec

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I want to see a feminist campaign to repeal the policy of women first when there is an emergency. Should be children first, then children's parents (male or female), then childless males and females last. You know, for equality. What if the child is closer to her father? Should the father still die?

If a feminist does that, I might believe that they actually care about equality.

Does this kind of logic work for all kinds of campaigners for equality (that they have to campaign for something that isn't their primary interest before you take them seriously), or just feminists? How about if the Campaigners for Children Then Parents First came along, would they have to do something else first as well?

Will it be a major boost to their campaign to know that you take them seriously, or just one less person who thinks they should prove themselves to him in some random way?
 
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I'd donate to that cause!

I would also donate the entire $5 necessary for someone to write a script to maintain the old TH's presence on these forums. It would bring a tear to the eye and a smile from regulars here, and conversations along the following lines:

What an insightful woman!
Wasn't it amazing how she single-handedly championed several causes for the common downtrodden man, becoming the first female to be drafted, and successfully dismantling the ideology known as feminism after proving that women indeed have had it better than men through a combination of more favourable prison sentences, the myth of violence against them and not getting drafted!

Damn! Had to wipe my eyes a couple of times after reading that. What a brave and wonderful future to look forward to.






 

Ancalagon44

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Does this kind of logic work for all kinds of campaigners for equality (that they have to campaign for something that isn't their primary interest before you take them seriously), or just feminists? How about if the Campaigners for Children Then Parents First came along, would they have to do something else first as well?

Will it be a major boost to their campaign to know that you take them seriously, or just one less person who thinks they should prove themselves to him in some random way?

If feminists are for equality, then they should be campaigning for equality in all its forms. This means cases where men are disadvantaged as well as where women are disadvantaged.

However, we all know that feminists do not care about equality. There is nothing wrong about that, as long as they are honest about it.
 

mikeymikec

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If feminists are for equality, then they should be campaigning for equality in all its forms. This means cases where men are disadvantaged as well as where women are disadvantaged.

I note that you've dodged every question I asked.

This further question I guess will also be left unanswered, but I'll ask it anyway - do you think this is a sensible scenario: that if you were going to devote a significant amount of time to a particular cause to ensure its success, that in order for others to take you seriously, you would have to undertake causes that they take seriously first?

However, we all know that feminists do not care about equality. There is nothing wrong about that, as long as they are honest about it.
 
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Ancalagon44

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In case it isn't obvious, Campaigners for Children Then Parents do not claim to be pro equality. Their stance is that children need more support than parents, which is fine.

Some feminists (the dishonest ones) claim that feminism is really for equality. If you claim to support equality, then any issue in which the genders are not equal merits your attention.

If you claim to be a feminists that supports the rights of women only (which is the reality for all feminists, whether they like to admit it or not), then go ahead and support women's rights, but don't claim to be pro equality.

Sheesh I didn't think it was that difficult to understand.
 

mikeymikec

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In case it isn't obvious, Campaigners for Children Then Parents do not claim to be pro equality. Their stance is that children need more support than parents, which is fine.

An organisation that I just made up doesn't claim to be pro equality. Interesting...

Some feminists (the dishonest ones) claim that feminism is really for equality. If you claim to support equality, then any issue in which the genders are not equal merits your attention.

If you claim to be a feminists that supports the rights of women only (which is the reality for all feminists, whether they like to admit it or not), then go ahead and support women's rights, but don't claim to be pro equality.

Sheesh I didn't think it was that difficult to understand.
Have you interviewed every person who self-identifies as a feminist (or can at least cite a survey of thousands of such people), regarding their opinions on various topics regarding equality? I'd like to know how you came to this conclusion (that they're dishonest).

Furthermore, do you realise that you've contructed a straw man, unless you honestly believe that even if you could find someone who self-identifies as a feminist, claims to be pro equality in general yet isn't really, even then, do you really believe that if you can find one dishonest person (or even a hundred) who follows a particular ideology that it somehow affects all the followers of that ideology?
 
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Nebor

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Let me know when feminists mount the fight to force women to register for the draft under penalty of law.
 

Ancalagon44

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An organisation that I just made up doesn't claim to be pro equality. Interesting...

Have you interviewed every person who self-identifies as a feminist (or can at least cite a survey of thousands of such people), regarding their opinions on various topics regarding equality? I'd like to know how you came to this conclusion (that they're dishonest).

Furthermore, do you realise that you've contructed a straw man, unless you honestly believe that even if you could find someone who self-identifies as a feminist, claims to be pro equality in general yet isn't really, even then, do you really believe that if you can find one dishonest person (or even a hundred) who follows a particular ideology that it somehow affects all the followers of that ideology?

The name of your made up organisation kinda gave it away they were not pro equality, no?

Usually organisations that are pro equality have terms such as humanitarian or egalitarian in their names.

Quite simply, claiming to be a feminist and claiming to be pro equality are mutually exclusive, and the deeds of feminists support this. So I don't need to meet each and every feminist. Find me a feminist who supports fathers rights, for instance. Or one that supports the draft for women. Or longer prison terms for women. Or equal access to education for men (considering that there are now more female graduates than male graduates).

When you find me a feminist that supports any of those things, then I will believe that some feminists might really be pro equality.
 

xXandra

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Feminism was really for equality. I mean feminism in its orthodox meaning. But nowadays it's a synonym for women's sexism in most cases.
 

mikeymikec

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The name of your made up organisation kinda gave it away they were not pro equality, no?

Feminism.

Hmm.

Quite simply, claiming to be a feminist and claiming to be pro equality are mutually exclusive
No it isn't. One can believe that women deserve equal rights to men, and that same person can also believe, let's say that alimony laws do not treat men equally to men (I have no idea about alimony laws in the US, I'm just picking what may as well be a hypothetical example).

Your argument makes about as much sense as saying that someone who self-identifies as a feminist cannot also be a Christian or an atheist.

One could self-identify as a feminist simply because one believes in equality (because that includes women, in case that needs stating), unless one specifically believed in equality for every group of people except "just women"... hypothetically (that latter bit would be a bit odd IMHO, but there you go).

Find me a feminist who supports fathers rights, for instance.
Ok, you've found one, me. I'm not sure where that leaves your argument exactly.
 
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