What is the most probable motivation for the states that reject gay marriage?

[Craig234]

That wiki entry is horseshit created by people desperately trying to make homosexuality look like widely accepted practice. I am a Chinese and knows everything there is to know about Fujian's tradition. Citing those practice like homosexuality is commonly accepted in China is like saying Davidian and David Koresh represents Christian and what Christian is all about. And citing one guy out of billions of people through out history using the word "nubere" to describe some other two guys relation simply reeks the same desperation.

Assuming you're completely correct in debunking that argument, it doesn't change a thing about the issue that gay marrriage should be alllowed for other reasons.

 

[Moonbeam]

You are so fucking misguided.......
Your probably some 13 year old kid whose reciting some propaganda he learned in Sunday school!

If his words are true, and I take him at them, he is a black man who has had a vision of God, but one who took his special dispensation of Grace as an opportunity to transfer all the racism that exists against blacks, and all the self hate that engendered, over onto gays.

It is no different than the transfer process we see in America when the bottom race in the social strata of immigrants transfers the self hate of the last arriving people onto the next arriving group. Blacks Italians, Jews, the Irish, the Mexican, they all get a turn. Folk will do anything not to know what they feel. They dump their self hate over onto the next guy as every enraged bully looks for a victim.

"It can't be me that is worthless, it must be the other guy. I believe in Jesus, I say, but I will not go on the cross and die. No no, I will warp my divine message with hate and crucify you."

The beauty of the grace of god for so many is that they don't then have to think. It's that NIMBY thing.

"I got mine and from my great height, I can look down on you."

"My self hate robbed me of the capacity to feel and the only time I can remotely feel alive now is if I hate you."

 

[Moonbeam]

That wiki entry is horseshit created by people desperately trying to make homosexuality look like widely accepted practice. I am a Chinese and knows everything there is to know about Fujian's tradition. Citing those practice like homosexuality is commonly accepted in China is like saying Davidian and David Koresh represents Christian and what Christian is all about. And citing one guy out of billions of people through out history using the word "nubere" to describe some other two guys relation simply reeks the same desperation.

Oh my, how evil of Wiki. Would you mind, since you sound like a Christian with a persecution complex, telling us if you are a Christian. I am always interested in how bigotry like yours gets started, i.e., where such ignorance is transmitted from.

Are you a Christian?

 

[shira]

I just don't see this as a civil rights / inequality issue. Unlike woman's voting rights or those of african americans in the past (where one group of citizens had rights that other's did not and there was true inequality) there IS equality under law where marriage is concerned.

Like it or not:

I CAN marry a member of the opposite sex, and so can ANY other U.S. citizen.

I CANNOT marry a member of the same sex, and neither can ANY other U.S. citizen

How is that NOT equal treatment under law?

Some will argue that that doesn't allow people to marry anybody they CHOOSE, which is (in my mind) an entirely different argument than the current laws treat people unequally (i.e. a civil rights issue).

Consider the following argument:

I can marry a woman of the same race, and so can any other U.S. citizen.

I cannot marry a woman of a different race, and neither can an other U.S. citizen.

How is that not equal treatment under the law?

 

[shira]

Is there any State where you can Marry a same sex person? IF so it is because it is a State Issue. I'm pretty sure when you say 'U.S. citizen' you ought to confine it to a State... So far the SCOTUS holds that marriage is NOT a Federal issue.
More to the point, however, is the notion that IF you can have Gay Marriage in Hawaii but it not be recognized in Arizona.. that is an issue. Equal Protection under Article 4, Sec 1, should be looked at.

But I think SCOTUS DID decide that marriage was a federal issue under Loving v Virginia.

 

[shira]

First of all, bible has nothing to do with gay and marriage. marriage has been defined as between a man and a women since the beginning of human history, way before Christ was born. and that's the same for Asian, Egyptian, roman, Greek, Babylonian, Indian and any other ancient civilization.

Second of all, although there are people with different positions, but I believe majority of the people have no issue with providing gay couples EQUAL RIGHTS, only with gay couple equate their union to marriage.

Slavery was the norm from the beggining of civilization. So was polygamy.

Defending a position on the basis that "We've always done it this way" is no defense at all.

 

[WHAMPOM]

This whole argument about gender is fucking crazy

Why WHY do people get married?..

ANSWER IT^^^^

What does marriage signify???

^^^^^^^^ LOVE?

How is love a gender issue?

It is crazy that "gender", a surgical choice for the last fifty years should have anything to do with marriage. That a minority of consenting adults be denied the same advantages as the majority enjoy is crazy.

 

[shira]

I think the reason that people vote against gay marriage is because they themselves can't comprehend the idea that somebody might be attracted to the same sex and they judge such attraction to be unusual and therefore deviant and abnormal. They are therefore voting, in their own minds, for the good of humanity, the normal, the proper, and the healthy. The vote anti gay because they think they are good if they do. They believe that being gay must be evil and it should be voted against. They feel this way, especially because they believe that most people also feel the same, which reinforces their own opinion that thinking as they do is normal, and therefore right. They have also learned to resist change and fight against the different because their self respect is built upon wanting to be normal and not different. What is different can't just be allowed to be, it must be destroyed as a threat to this phony basis of self respect. The average mind does not rise above the background level. Only bright minds that question and seek truth have much chance to escape this acculturation.

I totally get this point, and along that same line, I've NEVER understood how anyone could be attracted to someone really, really fat. Frankly, I think it's deviant and abnormal that ANYONE would be attracted to a really, really fat person. So I think we should change our laws and restrict marriage to persons with BMIs no greater than 30.

Come to think of it, I think it's totally gross that hot babes marry old rich guys. That is disgusting and deviant. Hot babes cannot possibly be attracted to wrinkled, hanging jowls and limp dicks. Let's mandate an age difference no greater than 10 years for marriage.

 

[Red Irish]

Would somebody in this thread mind explaining and outlining the grounds for the rejection of "the reasons put forth in support of gay marriage" that have induced several posters to choose option 2 in the poll?

 

[Red Irish]

I totally get this point, and along that same line, I've NEVER understood how anyone could be attracted to someone really, really fat. Frankly, I think it's deviant and abnormal that ANYONE would be attracted to a really, really fat person. So I think we should change our laws and restrict marriage to persons with BMIs no greater than 30.

Come to think of it, I think it's totally gross that hot babes marry old rich guys. That is disgusting and deviant. Hot babes cannot possibly be attracted to wrinkled, hanging jowls and limp dicks. Let's mandate an age difference no greater than 10 years for marriage.

You're wrong, it's the thin people we need to watch.

 

[shira]

I totally get this point, and along that same line, I've NEVER understood how anyone could be attracted to someone really, really fat. Frankly, I think it's deviant and abnormal that ANYONE would be attracted to a really, really fat person. So I think we should change our laws and restrict marriage to persons with BMIs no greater than 30.

Come to think of it, I think it's totally gross that hot babes marry old rich guys. That is disgusting and deviant. Hot babes cannot possibly be attracted to wrinkled, hanging jowls and limp dicks. Let's mandate an age difference no greater than 10 years for marriage.

You're wrong, it's the thin people we need to watch.

And I watch those thin women like a hawk. In fact, there's that old saying: Outside every thin woman is a fat man desperate to get in.

 

[zhwu]

Darwinism, Darwinism guys. If all of our ancestors are homosexual, the human race won’t exist today. So this is in our blood, it’s part of our DNA. A lot living species such as birds, fish all have natural born instinct that let them travel to the places they have never visited in their lifetime to lay eggs or find food just like their ancestors.

The homosexual or couples refuse to have children fail to leave behind their DNA prints in the human race. So their DNA are naturally being filtered out of the human race throughout the history.

edit: sorry, I decide to remove my last paragraph here as it sounds like I am accusing homosexual being genetically inferior. What I am trying to say is most people naturally feel a man need to be with a woman because it's part of DNA (to answer OP's questions why they are against gay marriage) Homosexual is a minority group of the human race because of evolution. (since they can't leave their DNA behind)

 

[Pens1566]

What a stupid response

 

[BeauJangles]

Darwinism, Darwinism guys. If all of our ancestors are homosexual, the human race won’t exist today. So this is in our blood, it’s part of our DNA. A lot living species such as birds, fish all have natural born instinct that let them travel to the places they have never visited in their lifetime to lay eggs or find food just like their ancestors.

The homosexual or couples refuse to have children fail to leave behind their DNA prints in the human race. So their DNA are naturally being filtered out of the human race throughout the history.

I feel sorry for the unlucky homosexual people born that way (just like people born handicapped) It’s just part of evolution process, our DNA can alter a little from generation to generation (some make you stronger, some make you weaker), the ones that are ‘fit to survival’ just outlast the ones which don’t.

So we shouldn't consider people who are born with crippling disabilities (mental or physical) people and we should deny them rights because they're genetically inferior?

Social Darwinism FTL.

 

[zhwu]

So we shouldn't consider people who are born with crippling disabilities (mental or physical) people and we should deny them rights because they're genetically inferior?

Social Darwinism FTL.

I never said we should deny them any rights because of genetically inferior. (nor it's right to use it as a reason to against gay marriage) Since OP is asking why most people reject gay marriage, I am just trying to say that most people naturally feels that a man need to be with a woman just because they naturally feels that way as part of their human instinct.

Most of us will act according to our natural instinct. (unless you have been trained or educated not to do so)

 

[fskimospy]

Darwinism, Darwinism guys. If all of our ancestors are homosexual, the human race won’t exist today. So this is in our blood, it’s part of our DNA. A lot living species such as birds, fish all have natural born instinct that let them travel to the places they have never visited in their lifetime to lay eggs or find food just like their ancestors.

The homosexual or couples refuse to have children fail to leave behind their DNA prints in the human race. So their DNA are naturally being filtered out of the human race throughout the history.

I feel sorry for the unlucky homosexual people born that way (just like people born handicapped) It’s just part of evolution process, our DNA can alter a little from generation to generation (some make you stronger, some make you weaker), the ones that are ‘fit to survival’ just outlast the ones which don’t.

That's a pretty unsupportable statement. If evolution were filtering out homosexuality, why is it still so prevalent and why does it persist throughout the animal kingdom? Homosexuals aren't handicapped in any way, shape, or form.

 

[dahunan]

Place a bet

If a lesbian and a gay man were the only two people left on earth (as these silly darwinism arguments foretell) they would gladly do all they could to make another human together so life could continue..

yes, or no?

I vote yes without hesitation.

 

[dahunan]

Too bad our DNA can't weed out religious fanatics who cannot see that they are not to judge gods creations and that marriage is about love and not BUTSECKS

 

[BurnItDwn]

I think many of the people who reject it aren't homophobic themselves, rather, they have faith in their religion, and whomever they go to for their spiritual guidance is homophobic. Or, perhaps someone further up their spiritual corporate ladder.

Still, the "root" of it all is homophobia.

 

[dainthomas]

Place a bet

If a lesbian and a gay man were the only two people left on earth (as these silly darwinism arguments foretell) they would gladly do all they could to make another human together so life could continue..

yes, or no?

I vote yes without hesitation.

No, because we'd be below the minimum genetic diversity required to restore the population anyway. Look at cheetahs. They got down to seven individuals thousands of years ago, and today they're still nearly identical genetically. With only two individuals, there would be no way.

 

[sportage]

Well, like I said, back then you could stone your bad child or wife to death for being disobedient. And the bible "actually" spoke of multiple wives, not just one man one woman. You're getting stuck on terminology that boils down to nothing more than personal opinion. Marriage is, has always been to do with ownership and property rights. Religion did not create marriage, except for reference to the already mentioned multiple partner marriage.
If marriage was some pure white man-woman religion creation, then we would not today have civil service marriage (no religion there), or marriage by Elvis in Las Vegas drive-thru (certainly no religious connections there), nor marriage at sea by the captain of a vessel (again, non religious ceremony).

Exactly what is this pure religious marriage thing you are protecting by opposing same sex marriage? Plenty of people with no religious beliefs get married every day.
Face it and admit it, this boils down to some self serving power over an minority.
After Bill marries Ted, in private with only friends and immediate family present, then Bill and Ted go away to live their happy lives. Why the hell should that matter to you??? Really... Seriously... You will never know Bill or Ted in the first place, unless it is in the newly married section of the newspaper. Is THAT what bothers you? Reading it in the paper? Because other than that slight chance, you will have nothing to do with Bill and Ted what so ever, in any form, in your entire lifetime on earth.
Opposing same sex marriage is to me, some sort of mental illness fixation thing. Some oppose it for no logical reason, no personal reason, but just to oppose it. Very oddly strange indeed.
And might I add, the same thing went on with mixed marriage back when, and again as in the news lately. Other than two people getting married, same sex, mixed or whatever, who’s business is it besides the two involved and their families?
Something very "sick" is going on with opponents of same sex marriage. Sick or evil. But very strange never the less. By the dawning of their white robes, with bible in hand, proclaiming judgment over others is… as I understand it… God’s grounds for damnation to hell towards the those doing the judging. I see no white silk wings on those opponents proclaiming the moral high ground, thus taking on the role of God and Judge.
Especially when no doubt in their own life, there is much seriously wrong that needs their attention first.
Maybe that is where the desire to attack, and exercise power over others, stems from?

 

[piasabird]

Most people I see cursing on the forum are all Deo-Phobes. Biggotry of the uncivilized anarchists.

Haters of All religions have no common sense. Society is more than a religious norm, and Morality is not solely founded on religious principles. There is no right to be a homosexual guaranteed in the constitution. You have a right to be free and do as you will, but other people do not have to accept your acts as normal. So go sit on a stick.

 

[Arkaign]

Most people I see cursing on the forum are all Deo-Phobes. Biggotry of the uncivilized anarchists.

Haters of All religions have no common sense. Society is more than a religious norm, and Morality is not solely founded on religious principles. There is no right to be a homosexual guaranteed in the constitution. You have a right to be free and do as you will, but other people do not have to accept your acts as normal. So go sit on a stick.

There is no right to be a heterosexual guaranteed in the constitution either. Consensual private sexuality, so long as it does not involve animals (lol), or children, should never be a moral or religiously contentious issue. I have a great love and respect for most religions, I just wish people would focus on the positive rather than focusing on the negative and trying to tear everyone else down.

We have very serious issues facing our country and indeed our world, epic challenges dealing with nuclear proliferation, economic instability, famine, warfare, genocide, natural disasters, lack of education, new types of epidemic/pandemic diseases likely to appear, and so on. What the hell does it matter if two dudes or two ladies want to get married? What does it hurt? What is the relevance in the big picture of life? You'd have to be a pretty petty person to think that another person's non-violent private affairs are worthy of the type of foaming-at-the-mouth bigotry that comes from a lot of people on the subject. And of course there are some gay rights advocates that go too far as well. I don't want almost nude men flaunting their sexual love all over the public streets any more than I want to see blatant examples of heterosexuality in public.

 

[LunarRay]

Place a bet

If a lesbian and a gay man were the only two people left on earth (as these silly darwinism arguments foretell) they would gladly do all they could to make another human together so life could continue..

yes, or no?

I vote yes without hesitation.

You mean have like a baby boy and a baby girl and those two grow up and a...a...a commit sin to make another baby?
I'm not sure how Adam and Eve did it... but that is another story..

 

[spittledip]

Some people who are against gay marriage are homophobic, and some are not. Just b/c you think someone is in the wrong does not mean you hate them or think poorly of them. If that were the case, everyone would have to hate everyone else b/c every person does wrong every day. For those who base their self-worth on thinking they are better than other people, this would be more of an issue.