Can't you buy an amd graphics card that's bundled with total war instead.
The FX's do allright is some games but are pretty terrible in others.
The FX's do allright is some games but are pretty terrible in others.
This. Useless WinRAR + Cinebench/The Witcher 3 testes don't change the fact that FX 'Vishera' has always been a turd in per core performance, coupled with subpar efficiency and a dated platform. I'd go as far as saying some used Xeon CPUs would be a better choice for encoding/MT. Pretty sure AMD wants to release Summit Ridge as soon as possible.
He won't be reusing the old motherboard; the old one + CPU will be moved to a new HTPC.
. . . and this is why AMD buyers don't post their questions here.
Seriously, he's looking at an 8370 for the equivalent of $120, and you're telling him not to do it? When he's "partial to AMD"? I won't defend the chip on its merits, but if he's going to get an AMD system right this instant, that's not a bad way to go. The price is maybe $20 too high and he's looking at the wrong chip (needs to get 8370e). It'll be a direct upgrade from his 965 in every respect. The only cringeworthy bit is the motherboard, though if he can mute his expectations, one of the updated 970 boards wouldn't be too bad. Or he can go for the UD3P which is decent if you can stand the crappy Gigabyte BIOS. Anything that will "do the chip justice" just costs too much for an AM3+ board, even now.
Yeah it's hard to recommend it with Zen coming. So, OP, wait for Zen and then make your decision. You can probably limp along on that 965 until Nov/Dec 2016 right? Do that.
He won't be reusing the old motherboard; the old one + CPU will be moved to a new HTPC.
Yeah but he is saying he has to buy all new parts Cpu,Mobo,Ram,Harddrive ect... why buy old out of date stuff unless your upgrading current parts?
AT is one of the more AMD friendly forums around
so if they don't post here, they isn't a whole lot of good options left.
Problem with AMD is when your CPU's and boards are several years old, you're going to have fewer and fewer fans of those products, and that is hardly the fault of forum members.
Not really. There are pro-AMD posters (or shills depending on your PoV), but it's inevitable that if someone says "I like AMD stuff, how does this build option stack up", most people here jump in with "just buy Intel" instead of "wait for Zen, or buy this much-cheaper FX that's just as good". This forum really is not the place to go to ask about FX anything, you will get dogpiled.
I think we are doing them a favor, telling them they can get so much more for their money, more performance, more versatility and more upgrade options down the road. Sorry but investing in AM3 (Q1 2009)platform that was only marginally refreshed in Q4 2011, was not reasonable purchase then, it is not reasonable purchase now. As I said there is no reason to go for FX unless you have money to waste and are curious about the OC results, or because of tradition, the latter is seen in cars, there are people who will always buy cars that have poor mpg, bad steering and offer almost no driving pleasure. If AMD will be offering better products than Intel does, everyone will be favoring AMD in the common recommendations. And since this forum has been around for a while, this indeed had happened once or twice.Not really. There are pro-AMD posters (or shills depending on your PoV), but it's inevitable that if someone says "I like AMD stuff, how does this build option stack up", most people here jump in with "just buy Intel" instead of "wait for Zen, or buy this much-cheaper FX that's just as good". This forum really is not the place to go to ask about FX anything, you will get dogpiled.
I think we are doing them a favor
That's because it isn't necessarily bad advise to simply abandon AMD's current lineup as an end user. The responses are not simply "just buy intel" reasons why are almost always provided, and they're valid.
Bottom feeders who want to tinker with this stuff can get some nice deals.
They are not, you just didnt look at the data accurately, there s four numbers and even five if we take account of the multitasking with Cinebench in ST.
https://www.computerbase.de/2016-05...m-multitasking-test-winrar-plus-the-witcher-3
True, but the "value" of a processor is kind of meaningless,
especially since you will have to live with the choice for several years.
So the question becomes " is the initial cost savings worth living with a more power hungry and generally poorer performing processor on an outdated platform for several years"?
I probably fit that definition, but even I won't touch an FX chip. That should tell you something right there.
The only useful attribute of those CPUs is that they can heat your home (if you live way up North), that's about it.
He asked what value if any this chip has. Everyone replied that it has no value or very terrible value.But you aren't. To reiterate, the guy came in here asking about the relative value of an 8370, and got slapped with "just buy Intel" in several different permutations. You aren't really answering his question or giving him useful information.
The useful information is:
1). You should compare it to a low-end i5, and you'll find that it loses more benchmarks than it wins and
2). You should probably look at the 8320e instead, though from what I can tell, it does not come with the Wraith cooler (aww shucks).
Overall the value of an FX is approaching the $60-$80 mark, which is why AMD is bundling them with software and better coolers to try to get this stuff out of the channel without having to liquidate. Bottom feeders who want to tinker with this stuff can get some nice deals.
Valid or not, that's not what the OP is asking about at all. If someone mentions FX in here, cue the automated responses.
He wants to know the relative value of the FX 8370, that's all. It's about $80-$100. Did any one of you bother telling him that? No? Thought not.
But you aren't. To reiterate, the guy came in here asking about the relative value of an 8370, and got slapped with "just buy Intel" in several different permutations. You aren't really answering his question or giving him useful information.
The useful information is:
1). You should compare it to a low-end i5, and you'll find that it loses more benchmarks than it wins and
2). You should probably look at the 8320e instead, though from what I can tell, it does not come with the Wraith cooler (aww shucks).
Overall the value of an FX is approaching the $60-$80 mark, which is why AMD is bundling them with software and better coolers to try to get this stuff out of the channel without having to liquidate. Bottom feeders who want to tinker with this stuff can get some nice deals.
Valid or not, that's not what the OP is asking about at all. If someone mentions FX in here, cue the automated responses.
He wants to know the relative value of the FX 8370, that's all. It's about $80-$100. Did any one of you bother telling him that? No? Thought not.
Why must you waste your time, and everyone's time here, trying to find the most obscure benchmarks or situations where the FX isn't at the bottom of the pile? Even then, it's performance is anaemic and sad.
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What's sad is when people see facts and think they're urban legends due to delusions of gradure of an underperforming product that has underperformed for years.