DrMrLordX
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He asked what value if any this chip has. Everyone replied that it has no value or very terrible value.
If that's the case, then why did anyone even bring up Intel?
That can be googled, ebay'd, craigslist, easily enough on ones own.
Lots of folks are guilty of asking questions they should be able to answer on their own. Sometimes it's easier just to ask others. In this case, he probably would have been better off not asking here.
Not everyone knows to ask the right questions. He got the right answers.
Yeah, see, that attitude is one of the reasons why the guy posted in the wrong forum. Who are we to dictate what questions he should or should not ask? Seriously? It's not like I'm going to go to some thread started by a guy that wants to game on Intel iGPUs and tell him to get an AMD APU instead. Some folks might, but that would be the wrong answer, even if such respondents felt like they were giving the "right answers" anyway.
Many of us - and I use the word 'us' here 'cause I have to check myself against this behavior as well - seem to have developed the attitude that we know better, so much so that we can declare whether or not someone has asked "the right questions", which is a pretty lousy way to go about dealing with forum posters.
Honestly I don't think the OP got much useful information since he isn't even posting in this thread anymore.
It may be quibbling semantics, but I still stand by my statement that asking the "value" of a processor is not really the right way to evaluate whether you should purchase it or not. In fact, I don't think you can accurately assess a "value" at all. You estimate the "value" at 100.00 apparently. That seems reasonable, but how do you reach that figure? It is arbitrarily reached by reducing the price due to higher power usage and lower performance in most tasks. The monetary additional cost of power usage can be estimated pretty accurately, but how much to reduce the "value" based on performance is totally arbitrary.
Actually it's based on the fact that AMD is discounting their own CPUs heavily via added premiums. Their tactic is based on the idea that they can acquire game keys in bulk (read: at a per-key cost lower than which is available to the average consumer) and then bundle them with CPUs to bring down the real-world purchasing cost to the consumer. Ditto for the Wraith cooler which most people consider to be about a $20 HSF. AMD certainly isn't paying $20 per unit to include those.
By the OP's own numbers, the 8370 is a $120 CPU, which puts it in i3 territory. But you have to overpay for a PSU that can handle it, and then there's the power cost of running one over some arbitrary amount of time - let's say 6 months. I use 6 months here since that's about how long we'll be waiting for Zen, and I'm sure he'll be rethinking his purchase by that time (so will anyone else buying AM3+ today). That may be the only arbitrary consideration since we don't know how often the CPU will stay pegged at full power given the OP's usage patterns. Regardless, let's say it's $10-$20 more PSU to run the system and $10-$20 more in power over a 6 month period. We can bring the value of the CPU down to $80-$100 in that fashion. It's still fuzzy math, but now we're dialing in a value closer to what the CPU is really worth to the OP, rather than the $120 value he listed. Under the circumstances, I'd say he would be overpaying to get an 8370 bundled with warhammer + the wrath cooler if he pays out $200.
The OP could adjust that value according to whether or not he already has a PSU suitable for his "new" AM3+ system, his own usage patterns, etc.
In any case the prices of an i5 and the FX "are what they are". That is the only figure that we can give a hard number to. One can price out a system with both chips. Then he must decide if the actual dollar savings of the AMD chip are worth living with the disadvantages of the system for several years. Or, one can just decide to buy AMD no matter what, which TBH seems to be the case with the OP.
Yes, he does seem slanted towards AMD. It makes me wonder why people try to steer posters like that towards Intel (or vice versa). It's like telling a Chevy guy to buy Ford, even if (for his purposes) Ford might be a much-better purchase.
It's pretty obvious that the OP is making a poor choice even within AMD's own product stack. Better to help him optimize that purchase within his set of preconceived biases than try to radically shift his purchasing behaviors. As you can see, the plethora of "buy Intel" responses have turned him away from his own thread. He gave one response in which he defended his purchase for his use-case as making sense (paying 78% as much for an i5-6600 for 90% of the performance), and maybe for him, it really does make some sense.
Nobody here really wanted to hear that from him, though.