What is toughest undergraduate major?

[simms]

Originally posted by: Schrodinger

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Schrodinger
Wow...EE is that much more difficult than a physics major?

Content-wise, probably not. I think it has more to do with the skills expected out of an engineer.

Howso? (I'm not experienced with engineers)

I was talking to my Fluid Mech prof. A main difference between ChemE and just plain Chems is beause we deal with RATES OF REACTIONS a lot more than just chems. Like we have entire courses on Heat and Mass transfer.

As well, Engins DESIGN a lot of things - for example in my 2nd year class we had to design a piping system that was used to pump water to an economizer, which is used for flue gas in the lumber industry. We had to take into account accurate pressures, steam formations to ensure the steam could be used to generate power WITHOUT EVEN A SINGLE DROP ANYWHERE in the pipes, head loss, frictional losses..

These are all things that chems won't do. Designing and fabricating, meeting standards and using "different ways to solve a problem" are all encouraged in Engin.

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

Originally posted by: Horus
HISTORY. When you EE majors write 30K+ words in 2 months for essays, come back and talk to me.

Stupidest analogy ever, I could probably manage writing 30k+ words in 2 months (though I would probably hate it) .
Heck I've written two lab reports in the last 3 weeks that together are 60 pages and 16,000 words.

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: Horus
HISTORY. When you EE majors write 30K+ words in 2 months for essays, come back and talk to me.

Stupidest analogy ever, I could probably manage wtiting 30k+ words in 2 months (though I would probably hate it) .
Heck I've written two lab reports in the last 3 weeks that together are 60 pages and 16,000 words.

I just compiled a spice deck that roughly converts into an 8MB text file.. how's that?

And YES... that's MEGABYTES

 

[simms]

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: Horus
HISTORY. When you EE majors write 30K+ words in 2 months for essays, come back and talk to me.

I do that easy for lab reports and case studies. Writing can never make a major difficult. Tons of majors have lots of writing.

I've got even 2nd year friends in Economics pumping out 50 page reports. It can be done.

and

When you historians do something useful, come back and talk to me.

PWNED :beer:

But seriously. What have historians done ?

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

Originally posted by: TuxDave

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: Horus
HISTORY. When you EE majors write 30K+ words in 2 months for essays, come back and talk to me.

Stupidest analogy ever, I could probably manage wtiting 30k+ words in 2 months (though I would probably hate it) .
Heck I've written two lab reports in the last 3 weeks that together are 60 pages and 16,000 words.

I just compiled a spice deck that roughly converts into an 8MB text file.. how's that?
And YES... that's MEGABYTES

All hand-generated?! How many elements do you have in there? I hope you're not just talking about the output files

 

[johnjbruin]

I always found social science classes hard.

<-- aced most cs and ee classes in the eecs program.

 

[EmperorIQ]

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: TuxDave

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: Horus
HISTORY. When you EE majors write 30K+ words in 2 months for essays, come back and talk to me.

Stupidest analogy ever, I could probably manage wtiting 30k+ words in 2 months (though I would probably hate it) .
Heck I've written two lab reports in the last 3 weeks that together are 60 pages and 16,000 words.

I just compiled a spice deck that roughly converts into an 8MB text file.. how's that?
And YES... that's MEGABYTES

All hand-generated?! How many elements do you have in there? I hope you're not just talking about the output files

awesome!

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: Horus
HISTORY. When you EE majors write 30K+ words in 2 months for essays, come back and talk to me.

oOoooOOoOOOh HISTORY :Q

 

[vshah]

EE (see sig)

 

[richardycc]

if you are a bio major, you should change NOW, its a dead end major, we get tons of bio major grads applying as lab tech at my company, and unless you have a ph.d, these people that get a job as a lab tech will most likely retire as a lab tech III. they will always work under someone that has a ph.d. unless you are a slacker that only wants a job to pay the bills and dont want to take any responisblity from your work, bio will get you nowhere. (of course there are exceptions to this)

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Schrodinger

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Schrodinger
Wow...EE is that much more difficult than a physics major?

Content-wise, probably not. I think it has more to do with the skills expected out of an engineer.

Howso? (I'm not experienced with engineers)

You may be a bit more experienced than you know. Many EEs are essentially physicists. There's quite a lot of material common in between them.

 

[djplayx714]

Business

There was only one Summa in my graduating class and two Magnas. This is out of a few thousand graduates.

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: EmperorIQ

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: TuxDave

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: Horus
HISTORY. When you EE majors write 30K+ words in 2 months for essays, come back and talk to me.

Stupidest analogy ever, I could probably manage wtiting 30k+ words in 2 months (though I would probably hate it) .
Heck I've written two lab reports in the last 3 weeks that together are 60 pages and 16,000 words.

I just compiled a spice deck that roughly converts into an 8MB text file.. how's that?
And YES... that's MEGABYTES

All hand-generated?! How many elements do you have in there? I hope you're not just talking about the output files

awesome!

Actually.. I cheated. The layout and schematics were hand generated, but I had the computr convert it into a SPICE deck. I'm producing a microchip for my M.S. degree and let me tell you this, it's a paaaaaaaain in the ass. I'm almost up to 250K transistors. I know it's chump change in the industry but for a STUDENT... it's HARD AS HELL!

 

[Tom]

"But seriously. What have historians done ? "

There are certain principals upon which the entire fabric of human existence is based.

Communication is one, understanding the past is another. Humanity wouldn't get very far if each new generation started from scratch, instead of building on what was learned in the past. And that applies to all human endeavours, including engineering.

 

[desteffy]

One of my good friends did a triple degree: CS, CE and math and said that the math was way harder.

I, like most of the people posting here, probably have no room to talk because we have not tried all these majors, so we are inclined to think that ours is the hardest, because we are teh smartest!

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

Originally posted by: TuxDave
Actually.. I cheated. The layout and schematics were hand generated, but I had the computer convert it into a SPICE deck. I'm producing a microchip for my M.S. degree and let me tell you this, it's a paaaaaaaain in the ass.

Bah, they make us handwrite our (admitedly small) spice decks. It's a huge pain in the ass even when you only have 15-20 trannies. Speaking of which, what tool do you use for layout? They make us use this freeware piece of crap called Electric because Cadence licenses are too expensive to make available to undergrads

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: TuxDave
Actually.. I cheated. The layout and schematics were hand generated, but I had the computer convert it into a SPICE deck. I'm producing a microchip for my M.S. degree and let me tell you this, it's a paaaaaaaain in the ass.

Bah, they make us handwrite our (admitedly small) spice decks. It's a huge pain in the ass even when you only have 15-20 trannies. Speaking of which, what tool do you use for layout? They make us use this freeware piece of crap called Electric because Cadence licenses are too expensive to make available to undergrads

heh... well.. if you're dealing with 250K transistors like I'm doing, it's kinda hard to type it all out. I'm using Virtuoso (part of Cadence) for layout.

 

[simms]

Originally posted by: desteffy
One of my good friends did a triple degree: CS, CE and math and said that the math was way harder.

I, like most of the people posting here, probably have no room to talk because we have not tried all these majors, so we are inclined to think that ours is the hardest, because we are teh smartest!

I wonder how many years that took.

Humanity wouldn't get very far if each new generation started from scratch, instead of building on what was learned in the past. And that applies to all human endeavours, including engineering.

Right. We learn from our past, that is to say... we had stones, then spears, then knives, arrows, guns, machine guns, missles, and now nuclear warheads.

Every new generation does start from scratch. There are always going to be customs and traditions associated with each decade for example - 50's, 60's, 70's. In the long term, given centuries we have seen some development.

But what value does that contribute to society? I'd say for sure the world's only architect is more valuable than the world's only historian. History is good to dwell on, but it's like old relationships. ... dwelling on that past is never good.

And we learn from our mistakes. Not to go even close to P&amp;N, but take a look in there and see how much history has given us.

 

[Babbles]

I have a BS in Biology but I always have worked as a chemist in various jobs. From what I gathered talkinging to, my vote would go for Chemical Engineering.

However so much of it depends on how well people pick up certain things. Some people are may just be a math wiz and engineering may be simple but molecular biology may be hard as hell.

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: desteffy
One of my good friends did a triple degree: CS, CE and math and said that the math was way harder.

I, like most of the people posting here, probably have no room to talk because we have not tried all these majors, so we are inclined to think that ours is the hardest, because we are teh smartest!

I'll have to disagree with that one. I'm a CS major and I definitely don't think CS is the hardest.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix
...and those fvcking liberal arts majors can eat sh!t and die.

Werd.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: simms

Originally posted by: desteffy
One of my good friends did a triple degree: CS, CE and math and said that the math was way harder.

I, like most of the people posting here, probably have no room to talk because we have not tried all these majors, so we are inclined to think that ours is the hardest, because we are teh smartest!

I wonder how many years that took.

Humanity wouldn't get very far if each new generation started from scratch, instead of building on what was learned in the past. And that applies to all human endeavours, including engineering.

Right. We learn from our past, that is to say... we had stones, then spears, then knives, arrows, guns, machine guns, missles, and now nuclear warheads.

Every new generation does start from scratch. There are always going to be customs and traditions associated with each decade for example - 50's, 60's, 70's. In the long term, given centuries we have seen some development.

But what value does that contribute to society? I'd say for sure the world's only architect is more valuable than the world's only historian. History is good to dwell on, but it's like old relationships. ... dwelling on that past is never good.

And we learn from our mistakes. Not to go even close to P&amp;N, but take a look in there and see how much history has given us.

History has given you everything you've got. Did you come up with the formula for the volume of a sphere all on your own ?

 

[dionx]

Originally posted by: richardycc
if you are a bio major, you should change NOW, its a dead end major, we get tons of bio major grads applying as lab tech at my company, and unless you have a ph.d, these people that get a job as a lab tech will most likely retire as a lab tech III. they will always work under someone that has a ph.d. unless you are a slacker that only wants a job to pay the bills and dont want to take any responisblity from your work, bio will get you nowhere. (of course there are exceptions to this)

this man speaks the truth. my company prefers to hire non-bio, science majors. bio majors are a dime a dozen and only took bio because their intent was premed, not to become biologists or something related. since there are alot of bio majors, you would need to be extraordinary to be successful with that degree.

i switched out of bio because i didn't like med school as a career and i've always preferred chemistry since high school.

 

[simms]

Originally posted by: Tom

History has given you everything you've got. Did you come up with the formula for the volume of a sphere all on your own ?

That was more in part due to the science of physics and chemistry, which is the point that I'm trying to get across.

History retells the story of what happened in the past. For example. Science and Chemistry gives you the pills that you eat, the water you drink. The buildings you live and work were designed by civil engineers.

Given that science and engineering play such a vital role in our lives, how can history possibly compare? Please assist me in providing a daily application of history that makes it so important/worthwhile to persue.

 

[simms]

Originally posted by: dionx

Originally posted by: richardycc
if you are a bio major, you should change NOW, its a dead end major, we get tons of bio major grads applying as lab tech at my company, and unless you have a ph.d, these people that get a job as a lab tech will most likely retire as a lab tech III. they will always work under someone that has a ph.d. unless you are a slacker that only wants a job to pay the bills and dont want to take any responisblity from your work, bio will get you nowhere. (of course there are exceptions to this)

this man speaks the truth. my company prefers to hire non-bio, science majors. bio majors are a dime a dozen and only took bio because their intent was premed, not to become biologists or something related. since there are alot of bio majors, you would need to be extraordinary to be successful with that degree.

i switched out of bio because i didn't like med school as a career and i've always preferred chemistry since high school.

Exactly what I was planning to take in high school, before my parents told mea bout that. (the medical school bit). Granted, it's great now because I don't want to be headed in that field. ... possibly an MBA