What is up with the people in Ohio?

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Svnla
A President can't stop the forces of economic. Even Kerry said that he can't stop the job losses.

Do the math, if you are a business owner and you have to pick and chose between paying $5.15/hr (lowest salary for a U.S. worker) versus around $1 or $2 PER DAY for a worker in a Third World country. No brainer there.

Like I always said, continue to update your skills and knowlege and be adapt to changes or your life will be touch in the GLOBAL economy.

This is complete garbage! No brainer? WTF do we have minimum wage laws? Businesses need to work WITHIN the system. If they don't, expect the standard of living to take a nice drop in the US. This outsourcing only helps one group, the VERY rich. It a GREAT short term gain for the rich, but HORRIBLE longer term plan for the US economy.

And yes, the President can take action against this type of crap. How about penalizing businesses that follow this business model. You want to drive the US economy into the ground, then this is a great trend to follow.

I know both Bush AND Kerry support this, but they are both WRONG.

 

[kranky]

A big dent in outsourcing to other countries could occur if people quit buying the lowest priced product, and choose to pay more for buying things made in the USA.

No one does, though, as the growth of Wal-Mart has proven.

 

[Ornery]

"This outsourcing only helps one group, the VERY rich..."

Yeah, walk through your local Walmart, Kmart and Sears, and behold "the VERY rich". All taking advantage of the outrageously low prices reaped by outsourcing. ALL consumers who consume cheaper foreign manufactured goods are helped by it, and are to blame for the lowering of our standard of living.

Maybe we're moving too quickly toward this global economy, but the "leveling" of standards of living is going to be painful for the ones who have been on the top for so long. It bothers you that "the VERY rich" won't suffer along with you, but that's just the way it is. I'm NOT going to advocate Communism, Socialism, or protectionism, so you'll have more company in your misery!

 

[assemblage]

Protectionism will not save American jobs. Nor is it effective and it is often detrimental to the consumer. This was first seen in auto industry many years ago. It can be seen now. For example, Bush attempted to apply protectionist tarrifs to help the steel industry, but the WTO had a fit and the EU imposed counter tarriffs on US goods imported to the EU. It also artifcially inflated prices which forced higher production costs on other industries which limits their ability to compete and costs the consumer in the end. The steel tarrriff provided momentary relief, but unless the steel industry can become more competitive it will suffer as an industry and jobs will be lost. This is the industry's fault, not Bush's.

"Outsopurcing, reduced taxes and free trade along with making it easy for mexicans to work in the US is good how?" Helps companies become more globally competitive by keeping production costs down and using the same benefits that competiting foreign and domestic companies use. It is bad how?

"The US dollar is crumbling is good?" It isn't all bad. While a crumbling dollar my cause the costs of imports to rise, it could also cause the price of US exports to lower which may stimulate their purchase in foreign markets. Or companies can keep prices the same and get a higher return. It is bad how?

"And you seem to need to learn about said topics." Perhaps you can educate me since, according ot you, I need to learn.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Ornery
"This outsourcing only helps one group, the VERY rich..."

Yeah, walk through your local Walmart, Kmart and Sears, and behold "the VERY rich". All taking advantage of the outrageously low prices reaped by outsourcing. ALL consumers who consume cheaper foreign manufactured goods are helped by it, and are to blame for the lowering of our standard of living.

Maybe we're moving too quickly toward this global economy, but the "leveling" of standards of living is going to be painful for the ones who have been on the top for so long. It bothers you that "the VERY rich" won't suffer along with you, but that's just the way it is. I'm NOT going to advocate Communism, Socialism, or protectionism, so you'll have more company in your misery!

This is the dumbest agruement. How about this, why don't we get rid of the minimum wage laws so you can take advantage of the outrageously low prices? Yes, in the short term you'll have cheaper goods. In the long term, people won't have jobs to buy those goods. I'm talking about building a stronger economy, you're talking about weakening it. You can't have a strong economy with only the SUPER rich and dirt poor. The middle class is the foundation of this country. If you get rid of it, the economy will crumble. And outsoucing to 3rd world countries is a great way to get rid of the middle class.

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: cHeeZeFacTory
CNN reported almost 300,000 manufacturing jobs lost in Ohio during Bush's term. They still go for Bush. Ridiculous.

Their afraid. Bush scared them. The only problem is, they should be scared of HIM and his policies. I'll continue to fly over Ohio occasionally and flush the toilet as I do.

 

[Ornery]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Ornery
"This outsourcing only helps one group, the VERY rich..."

Yeah, walk through your local Walmart, Kmart and Sears, and behold "the VERY rich". All taking advantage of the outrageously low prices reaped by outsourcing. ALL consumers who consume cheaper foreign manufactured goods are helped by it, and are to blame for the lowering of our standard of living.

Maybe we're moving too quickly toward this global economy, but the "leveling" of standards of living is going to be painful for the ones who have been on the top for so long. It bothers you that "the VERY rich" won't suffer along with you, but that's just the way it is. I'm NOT going to advocate Communism, Socialism, or protectionism, so you'll have more company in your misery!

This is the dumbest agruement. How about this, why don't we get rid of the minimum wage laws so you can take advantage of the outrageously low prices? Yes, in the short term you'll have cheaper goods. In the long term, people won't have jobs to buy those goods. I'm talking about building a stronger economy, you're talking about weakening it. You can't have a strong economy with only the SUPER rich and dirt poor. The middle class is the foundation of this country. If you get rid of it, the economy will crumble. And outsoucing to 3rd world countries is a great way to get rid of the middle class.

It's NOT an argument spudnut, it's FACT. It's reality, you know, the truth?

"why don't we get rid of the minimum wage laws..."

That would be because of Communist/Socialists like yourself, otherwise we WOULD get rid of them!

"I'm talking about building a stronger economy..."

You're yammering and offering ZERO solutions. What's your big idea?

 

[kranky]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
The middle class is the foundation of this country. If you get rid of it, the economy will crumble. And outsoucing to 3rd world countries is a great way to get rid of the middle class.

I cannot agree with you more that the middle class is the foundation of the country. But it is the same middle class which is fueling the outsourcing! They will not pay more for a made-in-USA item! When consumers will only buy the lowest priced item, then you are going to get imported items.

The only reason there is no longer a shoe industry, and only a handful of clothing manufacturers, machine tool companies, etc. in the US is because consumers voted with their wallets for imported goods which were cheaper.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: Svnla
A President can't stop the forces of economic. Even Kerry said that he can't stop the job losses.

Do the math, if you are a business owner and you have to pick and chose between paying $5.15/hr (lowest salary for a U.S. worker) versus around $1 or $2 PER DAY for a worker in a Third World country. No brainer there.

Like I always said, continue to update your skills and knowlege and be adapt to changes or your life will be touch in the GLOBAL economy.

1) FREE TRADE!
2) Bushes policy
3) is a factor

Why not tarriff imported steel? How hard would that be?

Bush already did that and it was a HUGE disaster. Do some homework before you post that crap.

 

[Svnla]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

1) FREE TRADE!
2) Bushes policy
3) is a factor

Why not tarriff imported steel? How hard would that be?

If you increase the tariff, I am sure the other countries will do the same, and then what? Russian roulette? Let see who will blink first?

 

[Svnla]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
This is complete garbage! No brainer? WTF do we have minimum wage laws? Businesses need to work WITHIN the system. If they don't, expect the standard of living to take a nice drop in the US. This outsourcing only helps one group, the VERY rich. It a GREAT short term gain for the rich, but HORRIBLE longer term plan for the US economy.

And yes, the President can take action against this type of crap. How about penalizing businesses that follow this business model. You want to drive the US economy into the ground, then this is a great trend to follow.

I know both Bush AND Kerry support this, but they are both WRONG.

What do you suggest? Pass a law that that bans any company in the US to hire Third World employees? Or increase their salary? Or better let, let the unions go over there and set up shops? Those are not logical or passable and your suggestion of " the President can take action against this type of crap. How about penalizing businesses that follow this business model" will not work either.

The last time I look, our economy is based on "FREE ENTERPRISE", i.e. with minimum government intervence.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: kranky
A big dent in outsourcing to other countries could occur if people quit buying the lowest priced product, and choose to pay more for buying things made in the USA.

No one does, though, as the growth of Wal-Mart has proven.

I couldn't agree more. This is a function of our own consumerism. I always try to avoid cheap crap made overseas, not only due to quality, but also because it hurts our economy and helps theirs.

 

[freakflag]

Originally posted by: arsbanned

Originally posted by: cHeeZeFacTory
CNN reported almost 300,000 manufacturing jobs lost in Ohio during Bush's term. They still go for Bush. Ridiculous.

Their afraid. Bush scared them. The only problem is, they should be scared of HIM and his policies. I'll continue to fly over Ohio occasionally and flush the toilet as I do.

Before or after you finish drinking out of it?

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: JackBurton
This is complete garbage! No brainer? WTF do we have minimum wage laws? Businesses need to work WITHIN the system. If they don't, expect the standard of living to take a nice drop in the US. This outsourcing only helps one group, the VERY rich. It a GREAT short term gain for the rich, but HORRIBLE longer term plan for the US economy.

And yes, the President can take action against this type of crap. How about penalizing businesses that follow this business model. You want to drive the US economy into the ground, then this is a great trend to follow.

I know both Bush AND Kerry support this, but they are both WRONG.

What do you suggest? Pass a law that that bans any company in the US to hire Third World employees? Or increase their salary? Or better let, let the unions go over there and set up shops? Those are not logical or passable and your suggestion of " the President can take action against this type of crap. How about penalizing businesses that follow this business model" will not work either.

The last time I look, our economy is based on "FREE ENTERPRISE", i.e. with minimum government intervence.

Are you in the top percentage of the income bracket? If so I can understand why you are taking that stance. If not, the ONLY thing you are doing is helping the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer (and that includes the middle class). Free enterprise is great, as long as you have a level playing field. The is NO WAY an Amercian company can compete with a 3rd world country in providing goods. And I'm not talking about blue collar auto works or machinist. I'm talking about highly skilled programmers and such. Why can't we compete? Because we have a higher standard of living. If you want a full out global economy, get ready to drop your standard of living. If you are competing with a 3rd world country, yes, their standard of living will increase but ours will take a drastic decrease. It's pretty easy to understand. For the two countries (US and India for example) to reach an economic equilibrium, the US will HAVE to take a HUGE drop in their standard of living. Now I'm not talking about the rich, they'll still be rich. It's the middle class will take the big shot. And I mean BIG.

That's all I'm going to say. I'm not going to waste any more of my time in the P&N forum. The ONLY thing people do in here is waste alot of time arguing and nothing comes of it. I HIGHLY doubt I'll change anyone's minds, so we'll just wait and see what happens.

Have fun guys. Knock yourselves out.

 

[Ornery]

"The ONLY thing people do in here is waste alot of time arguing and nothing comes of it."

You're the fvcktard yammering on and bitching without offering one GD solution of any kind, though you've been asked for this no less than twice. Yeah, thanks for wasting OUR time! :|

 

[kranky]

Again, I agree with your analysis. The middle class is in danger.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Ornery
"The ONLY thing people do in here is waste alot of time arguing and nothing comes of it."

You're the fvcktard yammering on and bitching without offering one GD solution of any kind, though you've been asked for this no less than twice. Yeah, thanks for wasting OUR time! :|

Solution? First your small brain has to comprehend the situation and then finally ACKNOWLEGDE there is a problem. Why are you looking for a solution when you don't even think there is a problem?

As for a solution, I don't have the solution. If I did, I wouldn't be wasting my time discussing basic economics with a "fvcktard" like yourself. I don't have a solution to get rid of the national deficit either. Are you now going to tell me that having a few trillion dollar deficit is not a problem because I can't solve it? Or do you want me to solve that one too in this forum. :roll:

Now this WILL be my last comment. I bid you a farewell, and goodnight.

 

[Ornery]

"The middle class is in danger."

This is a choice we made when we decided to join NAFTA and later, the WTO. If it's too much, too soon, we could always pull out, but we're going to have to face the music somewhere down the line. What makes your labor worth more than theirs? You can cry about our EPA laws all you want, but you know that's just a small percentage of the difference.

The truth is, we've got to find jobs that can't be exported. That's what I'll be doing, and pointing my sons in the same direction. I know everybody can't do this, but I don't see any other solutions besides protectionism, and that won't even be viable soon. We could close our borders to new workers. That will numb the pain... for a while.