what is Windows NT?

bsobel

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Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
An OS from microsoft based on OS/2 Warp from IBM. Its decendents are 2k, xp, etc.

NT wasn't based on OS/2, it was developed to replaced OS/2 with IBM and MS's business relationship cratered.

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Nothinman

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Not really, the same thing has been reiterated in almost every post.

Windows NT is the core that Win2K, XP and Longhorn were built upon.

NT was a joint venture between IBM and MS to create a replacement for OS/2 but the deal fell through and each continued to work on their respective projects. MS then released NT 3.1 followed by NT 3.51 both of which had the Win 3.11 UI but were fully 32-bit preemptive multitasking OSes. Then NT 4.0 was released with the Win95 UI, NT 5.0 was renamed to Win2000 and NT 5.1 was released as WinXP. Longhorn was originally going to be NT 6.0, but they've pulled so much out I wouldn't be surprised if it was released as NT 5.5.

The NT acronym has been rumored to mean a couple of different things, one of which was "New Technology" which is what Budman was speaking about. Although I believe the official stance by MS is that it stands for nothing and is just a brand now, otherwise the bootup screen of Win2K that says "Based on NT Technology" would be a little redundant.
 

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Originally posted by: Nothinman
Not really, the same thing has been reiterated in almost every post.

Windows NT is the core that Win2K, XP and Longhorn were built upon.

NT was a joint venture between IBM and MS to create a replacement for OS/2 but the deal fell through and each continued to work on their respective projects. MS then released NT 3.1 followed by NT 3.51 both of which had the Win 3.11 UI but were fully 32-bit preemptive multitasking OSes. Then NT 4.0 was released with the Win95 UI, NT 5.0 was renamed to Win2000 and NT 5.1 was released as WinXP. Longhorn was originally going to be NT 6.0, but they've pulled so much out I wouldn't be surprised if it was released as NT 5.5.

The NT acronym has been rumored to mean a couple of different things, one of which was "New Technology" which is what Budman was speaking about. Although I believe the official stance by MS is that it stands for nothing and is just a brand now, otherwise the bootup screen of Win2K that says "Based on NT Technology" would be a little redundant.


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imported_Lucifer

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Originally posted by: Budman
Originally posted by: Nothinman
Not really, the same thing has been reiterated in almost every post.

Windows NT is the core that Win2K, XP and Longhorn were built upon.

NT was a joint venture between IBM and MS to create a replacement for OS/2 but the deal fell through and each continued to work on their respective projects. MS then released NT 3.1 followed by NT 3.51 both of which had the Win 3.11 UI but were fully 32-bit preemptive multitasking OSes. Then NT 4.0 was released with the Win95 UI, NT 5.0 was renamed to Win2000 and NT 5.1 was released as WinXP. Longhorn was originally going to be NT 6.0, but they've pulled so much out I wouldn't be surprised if it was released as NT 5.5.

The NT acronym has been rumored to mean a couple of different things, one of which was "New Technology" which is what Budman was speaking about. Although I believe the official stance by MS is that it stands for nothing and is just a brand now, otherwise the bootup screen of Win2K that says "Based on NT Technology" would be a little redundant.


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imported_BikeDude

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Originally posted by: anarchyreigns
NT wasn't based on OS/2...

Yes it was.

NT shares more heritage with Digital VMS.

Hint: Look at where MS hired NT's main designer (Dave Cutler) from. Plus, of course, the bonus game where you shift the letters in "VMS" one position to the right. (and final piece of the puzzle-- the first defragmentation utility for NTFS came from a company that started making such utils for VMS' filesystem)
 

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Originally posted by: BikeDude
Originally posted by: anarchyreigns
NT wasn't based on OS/2...

Yes it was.

NT shares more heritage with Digital VMS.

Hint: Look at where MS hired NT's main designer (Dave Cutler) from. Plus, of course, the bonus game where you shift the letters in "VMS" one position to the right. (and final piece of the puzzle-- the first defragmentation utility for NTFS came from a company that started making such utils for VMS' filesystem)

Did you know if you shift the letters in the word "gullible" you get "anecdotal evidence?"
 

Nothinman

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NT shares more heritage with Digital VMS.

That's purely coincidental. They did hire Dave Cutler who also worked on the VAX/VMS systems, but any semblance to VMS was purely unintentional on the part of MS. And really, the only things that work like VMS are deep internals anyway, nothing that a regular user would see.
 

imported_BikeDude

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Originally posted by: Nothinman
And really, the only things that work like VMS are deep internals anyway

But the alleged shared OS/2 heritage isn't?

Who cares about the UI that the user sees? It has no bearing on how an OS feels or performs. The deep internals OTOH do.
 

Stumps

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easy way to put it is, WIN NT is WIN 95 with all the user friendly bits removed
 

imported_BikeDude

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Originally posted by: Stumps
easy way to put it is, WIN NT is WIN 95 with all the user friendly bits removed

No. NT 3.1 shipped in 1993, two years before Win95. It has absolutely nothing in common with Windows Toystation.
 

Stumps

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Originally posted by: Stumps
easy way to put it is, WIN NT is WIN 95 with all the user friendly bits removed

No. NT 3.1 shipped in 1993, two years before Win95. It has absolutely nothing in common with Windows Toystation.

well der..I was over simplifying things...WinNT 4.0 and up are far more common than the earlier versions, and to the average user(eg mum and dad) it looks like Win95 with all the fun bits removed
 

imported_BikeDude

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Originally posted by: Stumps
and to the average user(eg mum and dad) it looks like Win95 with all the fun bits removed

But XP is NT 5.2 and has all the fun bits intact? (even added a few *shudder*)
 
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perhaps he ment the more common (today) NT 4.0 (+ it's 700 service packs) which looks a lot like Win9x. Obviously these two lineages of Windows can be differentiated by the fact that Win9x isn't even truly and OS; just a shell of DOS, whereas NT (and it's decendants - 2K & XP) are full-fledged operating systems.
 
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Originally posted by: BikeDude

But XP is NT 5.2 and has all the fun bits intact? (even added a few *shudder*)

Yes, XP is built on NT technology w/ an "improved" GUI. Specifically, it can be likened to Win2K with a prettier face.
 

Nothinman

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Who cares about the UI that the user sees? It has no bearing on how an OS feels or performs. The deep internals OTOH do.

It absolutely does have a bearing on how the OS feels and performs, if the window manager is slow and laggy it doesn't matter how quick the kernel reacts to requests.
 

imported_BikeDude

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Originally posted by: Nothinman
It absolutely does have a bearing on how the OS feels and performs, if the window manager is slow and laggy it doesn't matter how quick the kernel reacts to requests.

I'm not sure what your point is. Are you saying the window manager shares code with a version of OS/2? (presumably OS/2 1.2 then? But that was 16-bit -- IBM had to write the 32-bit version of OS/2 themselves, i.e. OS/2 2.0 -- NT's oft-rumoured OS/2 connection is dubious at best)
 
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