What it looks like on ground/border w/Armed unauthorized militias patrolling Texas

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Looking at these guys' pictures, are the hood and the robe no longer in fashion?

 

[Oldgamer]

Looking at these guys' pictures, are the hood and the robe no longer in fashion?

LOL

 

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Americans caring for our country.........say it ain't so. Since Washington won't do it, someone, citizens who are sick of our country erroding away, are doing something.

They don't see the country and it's principles eroding away when laws are passed allowing the govt to indefinitely detain American citizens, that is, kidnap them. And many other such things happening these days. Hmm.. I wonder why?!!

Erosion of the country my ass!!!

 

[michal1980]

Looking at these guys' pictures, are the hood and the robe no longer in fashion?

when you got nothing, label.

 

[networkman]

If I were a rancher with land bordering Mexico, I'd welcome these guys to camp out on my land. There have already been reports and incidents with CBP of armed confrontations as well as surveillance of drug runners, human traffickers, and even Mexican paramilitary crossing into our country illegally with both ground vehicles and helicopters. Yes, these guys would be welcome.

 

[MrPickins]

amazing that the left fears Americans defending the border more then the illegals crossing it.

One can be opposed to both vigilantes as well as illegal immigrants.

It's not a zero sum proposition.

If I were a rancher with land bordering Mexico, I'd welcome these guys to camp out on my land. There have already been reports and incidents with CBP of armed confrontations as well as surveillance of drug runners, human traffickers, and even Mexican paramilitary crossing into our country illegally with both ground vehicles and helicopters. Yes, these guys would be welcome.

If the land owner wants them there and they are not breaking any laws, then that's great!

The problem is that, very often, the land owner either does not know they are there, or has not given them permission to be there. Last I checked, trespassing was illegal.

 

[zanejohnson]

i dont believe those guys are really there....

nobody in texas does.

i think they went out one weekend and snapped a bunch of pics....

already see these pics months ago

 

[Oldgamer]

One can be opposed to both vigilantes as well as illegal immigrants.

It's not a zero sum proposition.




If the land owner wants them there and they are not breaking any laws, then that's great!

The problem is that, very often, the land owner either does not know they are there, or has not given them permission to be there. Last I checked, trespassing was illegal.

Exactly right and that is what the article is saying too!

 

[IronWing]

amazing that the left fears Americans defending the border more then the illegals crossing it.

That's beacuse in general the border crossers aren't sociopathic nutjobs.

 

[alcoholbob]

It means Americans caring for the racial purity of the country.

By the way, I'm firmly against illegal immigration. But this issue isn't about the law for the many "pure" ones on the right.

If they wanted to that they should be popping out kids like Orthodox Jews. More than half of the babies being born since 2001 are minority, and even the decade before that (1990-2000) only about 56% of children born were white. Stopping the illegals at the border with a few small teams over a nearly 2000 mile border has a negligible effect on the flow across the border.

 

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If they wanted to that they should be popping out kids like Orthodox Jews. .

Having kids requires personal physical and financial responsibility and sacrifice. It's not that easy as saying if they wanted to...

But the problem of illegal immigration needs to be dealt with firmly and fairly. Just having amnesty every few decades isn't the solution. It only encourages more illegal immigration

 

[Stewox]

1. Authorization Granted By 2nd Amendment
2. Old News - http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2393391
3. a blatant hit piece making stuff up, scaring you about the people who are most probably the last ones in the world to hurt you

Obama won't do it, in fact, he has worsened the problem.

Meanwhile on the White House debriefings:

 

[MrPickins]

1. Authorization Granted By 2nd Amendment

I wasn't aware that the 2nd Amendment authorized trespassing and vigilantism.

 

[Jaskalas]

And if they cared for their nation, they would respect its laws, one of which is the prohibition of murder.

These guys act like they're soldiers at war, but that's not what is going on here.

How can we respect laws when our elected leaders refuse to do so?

In a lawless nation, Anarchy rules. These people are a symptom of a nation in peril of falling.

 

[zinfamous]

amazing that the left fears Americans defending the border more then the illegals crossing it.

I don't tend to fear people with missing chromosomes.

 

[zinfamous]

How can we respect laws when our elected leaders refuse to do so?

In a lawless nation, Anarchy rules. These people are a symptom of a nation in peril of falling.

define "falling."

 

[zinfamous]

oh oh look! not only does their slogan predate the annexation of the southwest from Mexico/Spain (not to mention the existence of the USA), but their 13-star flag predates it as well.

Honestly, if they were so into re-enacting the sovereignty of revolutionary USA, they would pack up and let Mexico take back its rightful territory.

...right?

 

[Pantoot]

I wasn't aware that the 2nd Amendment authorized trespassing and vigilantism.

In Texas its only trespassing if:

(1) had notice that the entry was forbidden; or
(2) received notice to depart but failed to do so.

Is entry of the country illegally a felony? If so, then could be justified in their use of force.

That said, I have no doubt that their motivations are less about duty to country and more about "they tirrrkk errrr JERRRBBSS!"

Edit: or more likely, in cohoots with drug runners/coyotes

 

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1. Authorization Granted By 2nd Amendment

What happens to the Constitution when it is violated in so many other ways. When laws authorize the govt to indefinitely detain citizens without charges. Why is that the armed militias and elected representatives in rural Texas are not protesting it? Because that kind of violation suits their prejudices. Then the rule of law goes out of the window

Its all about race. Nothing more, nothing less

 

[zinfamous]

In Texas its only trespassing if:

(1) had notice that the entry was forbidden; or
(2) received notice to depart but failed to do so.

Is entry of the country illegally a felony? If so, then could be justified in their use of force.

That said, I have no doubt that their motivations are less about duty to country and more about "they tirrrkk errrr JERRRBBSS!"

Edit: or more likely, in cohoots with drug runners/coyotes

According to the article, they are likely trespassing on private ranch land. You know, actual private ranch land--not that Cliven Bundy type that someone claims they own.

Apparently, they claim to have gotten permission to camp there, but the author couldn't confirm it. Also, what good is posting a few signs along thousands of acres of land?

 

[Pantoot]

Also, what good is posting a few signs along thousands of acres of land?

To enforce a claim of trespass? I guess my point was, absent a sign (or a fence or something) they don't really need permission to be there, they technically aren't trespassing until someone tells them to leave. Hopefully at gunpoint

 

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Is entry of the country illegally a felony? If so, then could be justified in their use of force.

Contrary to popular perception, it is not even a crime to be in the country illegally, let alone a felony crime

It is a civil violation.

 

[Pantoot]

Contrary to popular perception, it is not even a crime to be in the country illegally, let alone a felony crime

It is a civil violation.

Correct, but crossing the border illegally is a crime, as stated by Title 8 of the U.S. criminal code.

Edit: answered my question from before, its a misdemeanor:

A first offense under 8 U.S.C. 1325(a) is a Class B misdemeanor

 

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Correct, but crossing the border illegally is a crime, as stated by Title 8 of the U.S. criminal code.

Edit: answered my question from before, its a misdemeanor:

A first offense under 8 U.S.C. 1325(a) is a Class B misdemeanor

Yes, but these guys are not at the border. Even if they were, I do not believe they have the authority to enforce federal criminal laws.

 

[Jaskalas]

define "falling."

First we become lawless. Then minorities have no say in government. Poverty increases, people become desperate for solutions. Playing soldier on the border is a "solution" to them. Pissing in the wind, more like.

Falling, when we are in such dysfunction in government that we can no longer keep the peace.