What kind of return do you get on your IRA/401k/investment/savings fund?

Syringer

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
19,333
2
71
Basically whatever money you've set aside and decided to invest--what sort of annual returns are you getting on it? And if you've had it for a while, how do today's rates compare to what you were used to getting?
 

Engineer

Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
39,234
701
126
I really don't know how much I've put in but I've been putting money in since 1995. At the low of 2009, I had lost money on the entire amount. To be honest, I'm not sure how much I'm up at this point (assuming I am) because my former company switched 401k providers 3 times and I lost track of how much I had actually put in.

It's almost a 404-Gain not found type of situation. I know many people who got in after me (around 1999-2000) at the same place and they are still underwater after 10 years of investing (mix of bond and stock funds for those guys - mostly stocks).

The return from mid 2009 to the end was really good but I'm still down about $15,000 in that account from it's high and that's with 2 years of contributions on top of that so I'm sure it is really down over $35,000+ from its' high.
 

StageLeft

No Lifer
Sep 29, 2000
70,150
5
0
Who are you kidding, the market has been moving sideways more or less for a decade if you flatten out the peaks and troughs. It's fvcking sad. I have no idea what it will be doing in the future. After inflation and "corrections", which have happened so many times in the last century it's hard to have a lot of confidence in it as a money making machine for retirement. I still put in because not much else I can do besides bonds. And I am heavy in them for my age just because. I think a reasonably accessible way for the average joe to get money and one I think of from time to time (realizing it's not on my side) is to get into real estate in some manner, like buying properties, being a slum lord, and building up from there.
 

xSauronx

Lifer
Jul 14, 2000
19,586
4
81
The return from mid 2009 to the end was really good but I'm still down about $15,000 in that account from it's high and that's with 2 years of contributions on top of that so I'm sure it is really down over $35,000+ from its' high.
sweet holy balls dude
 

WA261

Diamond Member
Aug 28, 2001
4,631
0
0
Im getting fucked now. 2yrs ago i was getting $1800 a month from my Chase stock. Now it is like $800 or some shit like that.
 

Engineer

Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
39,234
701
126
sweet holy balls dude

Like a good soldier (or dumbass one), I kept the course and kept putting my money in every month like I was told to...dollar cost average and it will all work out. I watched it drop nearly 60% of it's value in just over 1 year. I nearly pulled it out and said fuck it at the VERY low point in March of 2009. It came back to within $4,000 of it's high at one point but even that was with the 2 years contributions.

Pretty sad....even for the long term guys.

My boss of the time, age 60, lost over $400,000. He should have had much more in bonds/guaranteed funds. He has made up some of that but at his age, unless he's willing to wait and HOPE that the market returns, he's basically been fucked.
 

rcpratt

Lifer
Jul 2, 2009
10,433
110
116
+3.75% (or +4.3% depending on what source I look at, who knows how they calculate) since I started 10 weeks ago. That was really helpful, I'm sure.
 
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iGas

Diamond Member
Feb 7, 2009
6,240
1
0
I'm happy with 8~12% return per annum, however that is not the case.

One of my account that is managed group "finance advisors" is currently down 61% from the original amount that I put in.

My self direct account that I invested in did very well (was down 50% in the crash of 2008), but that account has gone up 71% since the original amount that I put in 3 years ago. (Some individual stocks make a measly 2~3%, others made well over 5X).

My retirement fund is currently down 2.4%
 

Engineer

Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
39,234
701
126
I just peeked and my old 401k is up about 2.5% for the year (2.9% as of yesterday but fell some today).

The new job 401k is up 2.4% from the time I started putting into it.
 
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iGas

Diamond Member
Feb 7, 2009
6,240
1
0
Like a good soldier (or dumbass one), I kept the course and kept putting my money in every month like I was told to...dollar cost average and it will all work out. I watched it drop nearly 60% of it's value in just over 1 year. I nearly pulled it out and said fuck it at the VERY low point in March of 2009. It came back to within $4,000 of it's high at one point but even that was with the 2 years contributions.

Pretty sad....even for the long term guys.

My boss of the time, age 60, lost over $400,000. He should have had much more in bonds/guaranteed funds. He has made up some of that but at his age, unless he's willing to wait and HOPE that the market returns, he's basically been fucked.
I learned from my investment classes that cost average is dangerous. One of the bank manager in the bank that I invested in lost $400K of his wife inheritance on cost average, and my brother lost $90K on cost average with Nortel.

I did the smart thing and called it a lost with Nvidia during the crash (purchased at $22 a share at 1000 shares, and sold just under $12 a share). Purchase TCK.B just above $5, sold 1/2 at $17, and still holding 600 shares of TCK.B @ $35.90 CAD currently. I bought GC & GCE with the money that I made from selling TCK.B, and since then they have appreciates almost 300%.

You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away, know when to run
You never count your money, when you're sittin' at the table
There'll be time enough for countin', when the dealin's done.
 
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Engineer

Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
39,234
701
126
I learned from my investment classes that cost average is dangerous. One of the bank manager in the bank that I invested in lost $400K of his wife inheritance on cost average, and my brother lost $90K on cost average with Nortel.

I did the smart thing and called it a lost with Nvidia during the crash (purchased at $22 a share at 1000 shares, and sold just under $12 a share). Purchase TCK.B just above $5, sold 1.2 at $17, and still holding 600 shares of TCK.B @ $35.90 CAD currently. I bought GCD & GCE with the money that I made from selling TCK.B, and since then they have appreciates almost 300%.

You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away, know when to run
You never count your money, when you're sittin' at the table
There'll be time enough for countin', when the dealin's done.

I'm not talking about individual stocks, I'm talking about a basket of mutual funds including international, S&P500, mid cap, small cap and bond funds. Didn't matter.....all of them took a big ole bath.

Regardless, the dollar cost average hasn't done a fucking thing for even that and many people who have done it have lost money (on paper) even if doing it for 15 years). Like Skoorb stated, even the time hasn't smoothed out the ups and downs and turned them generally up. We crossed 10,000 on the Dow in March of 1999....and here we are 11 years later and have just done it again. Japan, here we come?
 

Bignate603

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
13,897
1
0
I just opened up my account to take a look. I got hired in 2008 and started contributing right before the market REALLY tanked. The timing worked out pretty well, the value of my fund is about 40% higher than my contributions. I've been eligible for a 25% employer match for the last year so that accounts for part of it, but even without that it's doing ok.
 

glenn1

Lifer
Sep 6, 2000
25,383
1,013
126
Around -7% last quarter in 401(k), but think I might be about even for YTD. Up about 13% for the past 5 years in my Roth IRA, mainly due to a couple of stocks bought at/near the March 2009 lows. Those have doubled or tripled, and are making up for the others bought at other times that I still like long-term but are collectively treading water at current.
 

Engineer

Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
39,234
701
126
I just opened up my account to take a look. I got hired in 2008 and started contributing right before the market REALLY tanked. The timing worked out pretty well, the value of my fund is about 40% higher than my contributions. I've been eligible for a 25% employer match for the last year so that accounts for part of it, but even without that it's doing ok.

I remember having returns that were similar (almost) like that during the first few years and also after the crash between 2001-2003. Overall though, it's been down lately. Generally speaking, you got in at a good time but only time will tell.
 

iGas

Diamond Member
Feb 7, 2009
6,240
1
0
I'm not talking about individual stocks, I'm talking about a basket of mutual funds including international, S&P500, mid cap, small cap and bond funds. Didn't matter.....all of them took a big ole bath.
Like I said my self-direct investment account is up 71%.
Group investment account is down 61%
Retirement account is down 2.4%

Average at the moment is down 3.2%.

I would have done much better if my financial advisor/s didn't lose so much of my money.
 

Bignate603

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
13,897
1
0
I remember having returns that were similar (almost) like that during the first few years and also after the crash between 2001-2003. Overall though, it's been down lately. Generally speaking, you got in at a good time but only time will tell.

I know I got lucky, I think it's going to trend upwards for a while but who knows. The speed at which it goes up and the amount of time the trend last is going to be hard to predict because it seems like everyone is freaking out over the tiniest little bit of news. Before the crash people ignored big signs that the market was unhealthy, now they freak out over the smallest things.
 

JTsyo

Lifer
Nov 18, 2007
11,771
919
126
I was thinking about putting money in with someone for mutual funds since the market is low now and I actually have money that I can put away. Still looking though to see where to put it.

Im getting fucked now. 2yrs ago i was getting $1800 a month from my Chase stock. Now it is like $800 or some shit like that.

That's from dividends?
 

mb

Lifer
Jun 27, 2004
10,234
2
71
My 401k sucks. Small cap, mid cap, large cap, international, growth, value, all losing.
 

mmntech

Lifer
Sep 20, 2007
17,504
12
0
Dick all. I've actually been loosing money on my investments. I should really fire my broker.
 

her209

No Lifer
Oct 11, 2000
56,352
11
0
3 Months -7.46%
YTD -2.96%
1 Year 14.86%
3 Years 6.86%
5 Years 9.47%
10 Years -
Since Inception 9.06%
 

Dirigible

Diamond Member
Apr 26, 2006
5,961
30
91
Over the past seven years I put in a total of $X. My balance is now $1.16X. What that means on a per year rate of return, I have no idea. Whatever it is, it's not much. I'm mildly and pleasantly surprised it's positive.
 

PingSpike

Lifer
Feb 25, 2004
21,733
565
126
I really don't know how much I've put in but I've been putting money in since 1995. At the low of 2009, I had lost money on the entire amount. To be honest, I'm not sure how much I'm up at this point (assuming I am) because my former company switched 401k providers 3 times and I lost track of how much I had actually put in.

It's almost a 404-Gain not found type of situation. I know many people who got in after me (around 1999-2000) at the same place and they are still underwater after 10 years of investing (mix of bond and stock funds for those guys - mostly stocks).

The return from mid 2009 to the end was really good but I'm still down about $15,000 in that account from it's high and that's with 2 years of contributions on top of that so I'm sure it is really down over $35,000+ from its' high.

You're only suppose to make the fat returns over the long term. Just wait another 80-100 years and things should all even out!
 
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