What Linux Rules

[Bremen]

rotfl! I feel so silly now, I totally forgot we were talking about software :0) Well I guess its still holds, how many FreeBSD users are going to switch from apache to your uber-httpd? Possible exceptions of course for software without established equivalents, in which case you get the standard "we didn't need it in my day!"

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Bremen
rotfl! I feel so silly now, I totally forgot we were talking about software :0) Well I guess its still holds, how many FreeBSD users are going to switch from apache to your uber-httpd? Possible exceptions of course for software without established equivalents, in which case you get the standard "we didn't need it in my day!"

Hardware relates to software enough to be an almost valid topic in the thread

There are plenty of users out there for the smaller httpd projects. Postfix, qmail, sendmail, and exim all have their followings. OpenSSH got some support when it came out.

 

[Bremen]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Bremen
rotfl! I feel so silly now, I totally forgot we were talking about software :0) Well I guess its still holds, how many FreeBSD users are going to switch from apache to your uber-httpd? Possible exceptions of course for software without established equivalents, in which case you get the standard "we didn't need it in my day!"

Hardware relates to software enough to be an almost valid topic in the thread

There are plenty of users out there for the smaller httpd projects. Postfix, qmail, sendmail, and exim all have their followings. OpenSSH got some support when it came out.

Well all those MTAs are open source/free software/whatever. How many people are actually gonna plunk down money for a commercial offering when that stuff is free. I know some Open Source projects do sell support services, and I believe sendmail is one of them. But this hardly generates the type of cash flow a corporation is interested in.

 

[SUOrangeman]

I tried KNOPPIX for the first time today. I am definitely impressed at the run-from-CD environment. Sure, it responds a little slower because everything is read off of the CD, but it is as fully loaded as most folks want it to be.

One download
One burn
One boot directly into a functional Linux session ... and it is based on Debian!!!

Did I mention that I (started-with-RedHat-hung-with-Mandrake-for-a-long-haul-now-like-the-Debian-side-of-life) was impressed? It doesn't even touch the hard drive unless you explicitly tell it to do so.

-SUO

 

[Nothinman]

No wonder HP is losing money ;0)

The problem is probably all the money they're dumping into Itanic to make it half of what PA-RISC and Alpha already are =)

NetBSD would probably be a nightmare to support given the number of architectures involved (or at least the percieved risk would be too great)

Linux supports ~18 and Debian 3.0 was released on 11. And if you look at NetBSD's page, the "Ports by CPU architecture" they also have 18 listed.

This brings us back to linux is sexier. If they supported FreeBSD who'd care. Administrators would probably trust the free and open drivers already included.

Compaq is the one who write the drivers for some of their hardware that's GPL'd and in the kernel, like the SmartArray RAID driver and eepro 10, 100 and 1000 cards.

Witness all the desktop users who NEED the nvidia drivers. I don't get it personally, the nv xfree driver works fine for me

Try and run q3 with that driver...

 

[Idoxash]

Thanks for the replys...

I dl/ed and used this programe called Jigdo to download Debian. I'm on a 56k so it seems a lill wise to use something that can auto start back on drop connetions. So, just to ask do i have to download a gfx interface like kde after this download to use it like most ppl would on mandrake? Does this comes with it's own or what?

 

[Idoxash]

I would also like to say in the last 4 years i went out and pay for 3 differ linuxs so yeah i will buy another one soon whenever i figure out what one i like the most!

 

[Bremen]

Try and run q3 with that driver...

Well I'd still need to solve the problem of an insanely high mouse sensitivity in q3 to play it. Even at its lowest settings the mouse is way to sensitive to be playable :-( Spend many a long night trying to figure it out, to no avail... If you can solve that problem for me I'll even ignore the windows like crashes that kept happening with the NVidia drivers :0)

 

[Nothinman]

Well I'd still need to solve the problem of an insanely high mouse sensitivity in q3 to play it

Strange, I had the opposite problem =) I have to crank up the q3 sensitivity setting to make it usable, but I know what causes mine, I changed the X mouse resolution to make VMWare's mouse usable.

If you can solve that problem for me I'll even ignore the windows like crashes that kept happening with the NVidia drivers :0)

I can't rememeber the X setting off hand, but I can look later when I'm home.

 

[Bremen]

argh! such a simple thing... to think I spent hours not finding it... boy do I feel dumb today :-\

EDIT: err I guess I did try this before... anyway, nothing changes no matter what number I put in for the resolution... grr, add to that quake3 seems to be doing mouse acceleration (I hate that crap) *sigh* back to Heroes of Might & Magic III

 

[DT4K]

I've used about 4 versions of RH up to 7.2, Mandrake (don't remember the ver), and Debian 2.4.
RH is the only one that installed easily and detected all my hardware. Mandrake was pretty easy to install after a few minor issues, but lacked the flexibility that I wanted. Debian was a pain in the a. But hard-core anti-GUI people seem to really like it.
Everyone I know prefers RH. It has all the power and flexibility but is easier to use than many others.

 

[Nothinman]

Debian was a pain in the a. But hard-core anti-GUI people seem to really like it.

Debian people aren't anti-gui, they're anti-confusion. Debian is a very straight forward and comprehensive distribution, it takes some Linux knowledge for it to seem straight forward but once you get accustomed to it RH, MDK, etc are all a PITA to maintain.

 

[TheOmegaCode]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

Debian was a pain in the a. But hard-core anti-GUI people seem to really like it.

Debian people aren't anti-gui, they're anti-confusion. Debian is a very straight forward and comprehensive distribution, it takes some Linux knowledge for it to seem straight forward but once you get accustomed to it RH, MDK, etc are all a PITA to maintain.

Truth be told, I find Debian easier than say, Mandrake or RedHat.
I tried to install RedHat once, but Anaconda kept crashing (go figure) so I did a minimal install through the text base installer. Everything was easy enough, until it came time to install packages. It was when I was trying to find the right .rpm's to install X, that I gained a new level of respect for apt-get.

 

[Nothinman]

It was when I was trying to find the right .rpm's to install X, that I gained a new level of respect for apt-get.

That's very true. It's a real PITA to get a very specific set of software installed during a RH install, you're probably best installing virtually nothing then installing apt-get or similar so you can avoid searching for the tens of rpms you'll need.

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

Debian was a pain in the a. But hard-core anti-GUI people seem to really like it.

Debian people aren't anti-gui, they're anti-confusion. Debian is a very straight forward and comprehensive distribution, it takes some Linux knowledge for it to seem straight forward but once you get accustomed to it RH, MDK, etc are all a PITA to maintain.

I wasn't implying anything negative about people who like Debian. I just meant that it seemed to require more in-depth linux knowledge so it tended to be popular with the more hard-core linux fans. These people are usually anti-gui because gui's are more of an abstraction and hide a lot of the OS from people, while command line lets you do exactly what you want if you know how to do it.
This is not a good or bad thing, it just depends on what you like, what your level of expertise is, and what you are using the OS for.
I know Debian is a great distro, but for someone who is not an expert I think it may be overwhelming. Although I haven't tried it since 2.4 so maybe it is simpler to deal with now.
Redhat on the other hand has all the power and functionality, but provides more ease of use for those who are not experts.
At least it did for me.
I have had about 4 versions of RH on my system over the last 4 years and it has always been straightforward and trouble-free to install and configure. RH has always had a more complete collection of drivers for the newest hardware than any of the other distros I have tried.

 

[Nothinman]

I wasn't implying anything negative about people who like Debian. I just meant that it seemed to require more in-depth linux knowledge so it tended to be popular with the more hard-core linux fans. These people are usually anti-gui because gui's are more of an abstraction and hide a lot of the OS from people, while command line lets you do exactly what you want if you know how to do it.

I took no offense, but you seem to think that graphical and command line interfaces are mutually exclusive, which is far from true. Sure there's less in the way of hand-holding wizards (which I find extremely annoying on Windows because they always get in the way) but that doesn't mean we don't like graphical interfaces to things, it's just that some things are easier handled from the command line.

Redhat on the other hand has all the power and functionality, but provides more ease of use for those who are not experts.

Not entirely true, some of the functionality just isn't there unless you install extra software after the initial installation. And a lot of things in RedHat just aren't as consistent as they are in Debian, Debian has much stricter guidelines for things like maintaing packages and I think it helps make the distribution better over all. For instance docs are always in /usr/share/doc/package, config files are always in /etc/package, everything uses normal SysV-init scripts even display managers, installing an app will make a menu entry on every window manager installed on the system (I believe Mandrake took this system from Debian, but not sure about RedHat).

Basically there's a lower barrier to entry with RedHat or Mandrake, but overall they're a pain to maintain for long periods of time and once you get used to a nice consistent system like Debian they're even pain to install. I've had the same Debian installation for ~4 years, all I have to do to keep it currrent is 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' and it downloads and installs all the packages I have installed that have newer versions released. It takes a little more work/knowledge to get Debian running but I think it's more than worth it and their documentation is pretty good.