What makes a LCD monitor good/bad for viewing movies or video editing

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What makes a LCD monitor good/bad for viewing movies or video editing?

I read some of this guide and wonder as, that is the conclusion for some of the lcd panels.

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=71226

I want a 17 or 19 inch that has at least sxga resolution or more.
That resolution is much more than the 480x720 or so resolution of a dv image. Does that matter?

Don't want to break the bank
Saw a Benq FP91G+ at newegg. Would that look good for video edition and photo editing. WOuld a sony trinitron 17" CRT monitor look sharper or better or whatever for that?
 

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Contrast and Black Level:
The difference between the brightest and darkest color the panel can render. In LCDs the lowest level is also import. Some LCDs can only display ~0.6 when calibrate while others can display ~0.3 or less.

Reactivity:
Some panels actually ghost during video (older 25ms panels certainly do) while some panels use features such as Dithering or Overdrive which can cause artifacts. What you want for video editing is a LCD that can change <30ms across the board (not just the best case) without significant artifacts.


If you want to save as much money as possible, a CRT probably fits your needs better. A CRT definately has good Contrast/Black Level and very good Reactivity. Some more expensive LCD screens (such as an Eizo) come with feature sets etc that make up for some of the deficiets, but budget LCDs rarely have these features.
 

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Sony isn't selling Trinitrons anymore so you'd be stuck with a shadow mask CRT.

The BenQ FP91G+ contains a TN panel which will have subpar viewing angles and dithered colors. For editing video you'll certainly want either an S-PVA/P-MVA or S-IPS panel. Since S-IPS are very few and far between (and not to mention expensive), you'll be searching for a S-PVA/P-MVA LCD.

No, it doesn't matter if the resolution is bigger than 480x720. You will never find a 17" or 19" that runs at that. What will happen is it will just be displayed in the center of your screen, or scaled. Chances are it will just be in a Preview window under your video editing program.

I'd recommend the Viewsonic VP930b (P-MVA) infinitely over the FP91G+ (TN+Film) for your purpose. The panel has overvoltage techniques so it will be just as fast as that TN FP91G+. According to THG it doesn't overshoot the voltage too much so it won't artifact. The VP930b has more accurate colors, more contrast, and a deeper black level than the just-replaced VP191b, and even more so than the FP91G+.

http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=vp930b&btnG=Search+Froogle&hl=en

Whether you want a CRT or LCD is up to you. That guide clearly lays out the advantages of each for you.
 

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Originally posted by: xtknight

I'd recommend the Viewsonic VP930b (P-MVA) infinitely over the FP91G+ (TN+Film) for your purpose. The panel has overvoltage techniques so it will be just as fast as that TN FP91G+. According to THG it doesn't overshoot the voltage too much so it won't artifact. The VP930b has more accurate colors, more contrast, and a deeper black level than the just-replaced VP191b, and even more so than the FP91G+.



Whether you want a CRT or LCD is up to you. That guide clearly lays out the advantages of each for you.

Little pricey for me.
Is there a 17" that would give as great an image as the vp930b? 17" LCD with at least SXGA for video editing and photo editing?

As far as the crt, thanks for the correction about trinitron. the monitor I was considering is a SONY CPD-G220R 17" CRT. Think it would be really crisp images with that. I definitely have a video card that outputs very sharp analog. Sure would like to have a monitor that is lighter so I could move the computer around though. But if the image just won't be as wonderful then I guess it can stay put.

Thanks .
 

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Unfortunately the VP171b and VP730b use TN panels.

Well if you go with a 19" you have vast array of options for S-PVA/overdrive. In the 17" category there is next to NOTHING (under $500) that provides the S-PVA/overdrive combo, which frankly sucks.
 

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Who knows. The Samsung 770P is the only brand-name one I know of which is coming out soon but it'll cost over $400, maybe $500. The Samsung 173P+ also has an 8ms S-PVA but it also costs too much.

I guess there's little demand for 17", because "bigger is better". Not when it has the same resolution though, because then your pictures just get grainer with the bigger dot pitch which is useless.
 

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So xtknight,
you are saying those 17"ers listed are not the equivalent of the 19" big brother.?

So would you conclude that if I am not willing to part with $400 for the 19" one you originally suggested, I should just go for the hefty 17" Sony CRT I listed instead?
You really think there is nothing for 250 in an LCD that could satify me?


Thanks a bunch, as there are no stores with the better LCDs around where I live so I really have to go off of other picky users experiences here.
 

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you are saying those 17"ers listed are not the equivalent of the 19" big brother.?
Correct, the 17" VP730B uses a TN panel while the VP930B uses an S-PVA despite the similar labeling. I'm 99% certain of this based off specs (and www.flatpanels.dk) and the fact that 17" S-PVAs (with decent response time) are non-existent for all practical purposes.

Well I'm not sure. But the $250 LCD won't have great viewing angles or colors. It's hard to say, because all of this is subjective. I don't know of the progress they've made in regards to the TN's colors. I have a TN myself and I like it just fine for colors with the only minor (note: MINOR) complaint being the 12ms. (20ms. avg) response time (usually is hardly an issue though), but response times are lower these days.

Is there a 17" that would give as great an image as the vp930b? 17" LCD with at least SXGA for video editing and photo editing?
Unfortunately not, probably not as good as the VP930B.

You can easily distinguish a TN panel: when you move to the side, the colors will get all yellowish at the end or otherwise distort. With PVAs, it's just like turning the brightness down when you look at other angles.

And maybe they've got the color problems solved on the TNs. I love the colors on my 1-year-old Samsung 710T TN. They may not have perfect smooth gradients of grayscale, but only 10-bit LED-driven LCDs ($$$$$) do for the most part. The colors are exceptionally vibrant, compared to any other of the 4 shadow mask CRTs in this house. Contrast is actually the best on TNs, so I guess you should give them a try.

I'd give the Samsung 740B a try if I were you. If you're going to get a TN, you might as well get one where TNs exceed most, response time, because for the most part colors will be the same quality no matter what TN you go with. There are simply no options of S-PVA/Overdrive for 17". I think there are still however cheaper S-PVA LCDs with horrid response times, but you probably wouldn't want those, though they would deliver great 8-bit colors, contrast, viewing angle, and black level. I'm not quite sure just how bad the response time is on those things. My dad has an S-PVA without overdrive and surprisingly enough, just moving the mouse around, it hardly ghosts at all (better than my TN by a hair), so it's really really hard to say. Reviewers seem to differ. It's a huge puzzle.

So right now I'd be aiming with an S-PVA or S-IPS panel with your focus off of low response time. I kind of took you through my train of thought there :Q, but in the end actually I think that's what you sure be aiming for, because they would meet your needs the best. Unfortunately though, S-IPS panels go for a huge premium, at least $400 a slow 25ms. one (as far as I know), so you're mostly stuck with S-PVAs without overdrive, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.
 

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You want a 17"? Keep in mind if you go the 19" route there are a lot more and even cheaper/better options for LCDs. Manufacturers are definitely focusing on 19" more and it's quite evident with the lack of options for 17" LCDs.

This looks decent for your needs.

BenQ FP785 17" P-MVA (same as S-PVA for all intents) 25ms. - $350
http://www.benq.us/Products/LCD/index.cfm?product=471
http://www.benq-eu.com/Products/LCD/index.cfm?product=471
http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=fp7...tnG=Search+Froogle&lmode=unknown&sl=on

http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/review.php?reviewId=871

Get past the casing and the monitor is good but nothing special. You get the standard analogue and digital video inputs, a nice 1,280 x 1,024 resolution, and the ability to display crisp, clean vibrant colours, there are a variety of modes that set up the screen for watching movies or doing photo work but nothing that you can?t seem to get from any other standard 17in monitor available on the market for a cheaper price.

This monitor sounds great, but it's a TN. Definitely the best TN for your money though, probably.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications...tails.asp?EdpNo=1490749&Tab=2&NoMapp=0

Though I'm still thoroughly convinced this P-MVA (BenQ FP785) will give you the best for your money (for 17"s and your needs).
http://www.benq.us/Products/LCD/index.cfm?product=471&page=specifications
 

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Tiger direct has insane tax+shipping prices though. That $230 monitor would cost $266.42 shipped.
 

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No, I am not set on the smallness of 17".
I was just throwing that out there thinking 17 might be less expensive than 19 and hoping there would be a less expensive equivalent to the lcd you first suggested.

And I was wondering how satisified I might be for $250 bucks 300 max (and it better be really nice for that otherwise I will feel like I had wasted mulla, and should have just gone whole hog, and swallowed the pill for 400 like you said origianally. or just cheaped out on the crt for 120 plus 30 shipping.

Honestly, all this stuff is just overwhelming.
I am picky.

I don't understand how 10bit color would satisfy (If I read the 10 bit suggestion correctly).
I think I like nice gradations of color too. Certainly for inspecting detailed photos, I like accurate color.

You think that sony crt I mentioned might be better looking than the 4 shadow masks around your house.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824006007

Thanks some more.

I really have to study your posts to understand all you are suggesting.
 
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