What motherboards have Non-Z overclocking enabled for Pentium 3258?

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Charlie98

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Flashed the updated bios on my Gigabyte H81M-H last night... planning on scoring a G3258 this weekend to replace the G3220.

Dumb question: With the updated BIOS, is it possible to OC any K-chip?
 

crashtech

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Dumb question: With the updated BIOS, is it possible to OC any K-chip?
I found it to be possible in my case, but since the voltage is usually limited to a rather low value (1.2V), overclocking of any quad will be extremely limited. I think I managed 4.0GHz with a 4770K on my H81M-DS2V.
 

dessertfirst

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Looks like you can, but you have to flash the BIOS with an unofficial image, per this article:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/build-budget-microatx-gaming-pc,3920-3.html


It's not something I would recommend to a beginner, especially if you are not comfortable with the thought of ruining a brand-new motherboard if you make a mistake.


Welcome to the forums, btw.

Thanks man. I've already been through that article, and yes I'm not very comfortable, especially with custom/unofficial BIOS. I'm gonna try the mobo anyway, and if doesn't OC the Pentium I can simply return it and get the Gigabyte Z97M-D3H. I'll report what I get.
 

dessertfirst

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Btw, BIOS version 2.4 on MSI support page for H97M-G43 says "enhanced G3258 compatibility". Wonder if it also means support for G3258 overclocking...
 
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jiffer

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Pentium G3258 Anniversary Edition
Batch # 3412B733
Asus H81M-PLUS
BIOS Version 2104 08/08/2014
Arctic Cooling Alpine 7 Pro HSF
800 - 4000MHz (8x - 40x)
VCore 1.065V
PNY GeForce 650 GTX 1GB DDR5 video card (Note: use of processor graphics substantially reduces overclocking potential)

Prime95 stable in Windows 7 @ 78 degrees C (tested for 30 minutes)
Idle temperature in Windows 7 @ 38 degrees C
maximum power consumption approximately 35W according to HWMonitor (approximately 8W at idle)

Most settings are set to Auto, except for the following:

> Ai Tweaker:
Sync All Cores
CPU Core Ratio Limit - 40
Min CPU Cache Ratio - 40
Max CPU Cache Ratio - 40
DRAM Frequency - DDR3-1333MHz
EPU Power Saving Mode - Disabled

Extreme Over-voltage - Disabled
CPU Core Voltage - Manual Mode
CPU Core Voltage Override - 1.065 (default VCore was 1.058V)
DRAM Voltage - 1.50V

> Ai Tweaker > DIGI+ VRM:
CPU Load-line Calibration - Auto
CPU Fixed Frequency(KHz) - 250
CPU Power Phase Control - Optimized
CPU Power Duty Control - T.Probe
CPU Current Capability - Auto

> Ai Tweaker > CPU Power Management:
Enhanced Intel Speedstep Technology - Enabled
CPU Integrated VR Fault Management - Disabled
CPU Integrated VR Efficiency Management - High Performance
Power Saving Level 1 Threshold - 0
Power Saving Level 2 Threshold - 0
Power Saving Level 3 Threshold - 0

> Advanced > CPU Configuration:
Intel Adaptive Thermal Monitor - Enabled
Boot Performance Mode - TURBO PERFORMANCE (Note: Windows will not let the CPU run over 3.2GHz default unless you set this to Turbo)
CPU Power Management Configuration > EIST - Enabled


Observations:

First of all, I'm not an overclocking expert. I do not understand all of the voltage options. Second of all, when I received this motherboard, the BIOS was out of date and it would not support the Pentium G3258 (or other "Haswell refresh" CPUs, presumbly), so I used an older Haswell CPU (Celeron G1830) to update the BIOS. The motherboard wouldn't POST, but no, that did not mean the motherboard was "dead". Updating with a USB flash drive in DOS was not sufficient. My guess is that the Intel Management Engine (ME) was not updated. I updated the BIOS to the same version in Windows, and then the motherboard was able to boot up with the Pentium G3258.

The BIOS was acting weird, in my opinion. Some of the CPU options related to Turbo Mode appeared and disappeared, depending on which other options were enabled. I would have preferred to see them greyed out if they were pre-empted. Turbo mode MUST be enabled to permit overclocking. As I understand it, overclocking with a non-Z chipset is achieved by running the "K" CPUs in Turbo mode to achieve higher clock multiplier settings. I was concerned about excessive heat, so I kept Speedstep and some of the other power saving technologies enabled. The CPU appeared to be limited to 4.2GHz @ 1.24V (it would not boot into Windows at 4.3GHz) and it was actually Prime95 stable at that speed and voltage, but the CPU was getting too hot in my opinion (around 85 degrees C). CPU Q-Fan Control was enabled using the "Standard" CPU Fan Profile. A better CPU cooler or more aggressive cooling with the one I had might have helped (e.g., running the fan at full speed all the time), but I want a quiet system that doesn't expel a lot of heat into my room, so I feel that it is better to reduce the CPU speed and voltage.

In case you didn't see my note above, Boot Performance Mode MUST be set to Turbo Performance. When I first tried overclocking this CPU/motherboard combination, the CPU ran at its default speed in Windows instead of using the multiplier I selected. I did a Google search to find a solution to this problem, and I didn't see it posted anywhere else. When the machine boots up, the CPU speed is reported as 3208 MHz. When you're in Windows, the multiplier setting will vary, as it should. CPU-Z reports that my CPU was running at 4.0GHz under full load and idling at 800MHz.
 
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jiffer

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Pentium G3258 Anniversary Edition
Batch # 3412B733
Asus B85M-E/CSM
BIOS Version 2105 08/08/2014
Arctic Cooling Alpine 7 Pro HSF
800 - 4000MHz (8x - 40x)
VCore 1.075V
PNY GeForce 650 GTX 1GB DDR5 video card (Note: use of processor graphics substantially reduces overclocking potential)


See my post above (#230) for the Asus H81M-PLUS. The BIOS settings I used and the results I achieved were virtually identical with the same CPU for both motherboards.

To those who are having problems with these motherboards, one suggestion is to use a discrete video card, since processor graphics limit the overclocking potential. You can also try the settings I used, but I recommend setting the Vcore voltage to "Auto" at first to find a target voltage. In my case, the "Auto" VCore was 1.175V at 4.0GHz, but I was able to get stable overclocking results with a voltage that wasn't much higher than stock voltage (which varies depending on the individual processor). I tested it with Prime95 for 30 minutes.
 
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braille12

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I wonder if B85 series will support broadwell
I will upgrade soon from my existing
msi b85-g43 gaming, G3258 OC to 4.5 ghz @1.28v
 

jchap1590

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unable to overclock on..

ASUS H97M-PLUS w/BIOS ver. 2305
MSI H97I AC w/BIOS ver. 5.0

the TurboEVO utility unlocked after I flashed the latest BIOS, but overclocking settings do not stick after boot.. multiplier is successfully changed to "8 - 42" from within Windows (confirmed with CPU-Z.. although the core freq. still never goes over 3.2GHz when stressed with Prime95), but gets set back to "8 - 32" after reboot.

I can't get the CPU core frequency settings to stick in the MSI BIOS, even when trying the "hover method" found in the OP. there appears to be no CPU overclocking utility offered for their H97 boards.

pretty disappointed.. :/
 

jiffer

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unable to overclock on..

ASUS H97M-PLUS w/BIOS ver. 2305
...

the TurboEVO utility unlocked after I flashed the latest BIOS, but overclocking settings do not stick after boot.. multiplier is successfully changed to "8 - 42" from within Windows (confirmed with CPU-Z.. although the core freq. still never goes over 3.2GHz when stressed with Prime95), but gets set back to "8 - 32" after reboot
...

pretty disappointed.. :/


Try changing this setting in the BIOS (you must enable the Advanced menu by pressing F7 after the Basic menu opens):

> Advanced > CPU Configuration
Boot Performance Mode - TURBO PERFORMANCE

Windows will not let the CPU run over 3.2GHz (default speed) unless you set this to Turbo.
 

Charlie98

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Traded into a G3258 to drop into my Gigabyte H81M-H board (DESK3 in sig below, ) currently running 3.8GHz stable (Linx, P95, BV) at only 1.16v Vcore, XMP enabled, with F8 BIOS. This set peaks at 84C using an i5 Intel CPU cooler.

I don't know if I've reached the limits of the chip, or the board... or both. As soon as I go to 3.9GHz, or bump the Vcore up... the system locks up or boot loops.

The BIOS setup doesn't help, either... and I understand an H81 was never intended to OC, but jeepers it's hard to set an OC.

Question: On the Vrin set, what's the difference between 'Auto' and 'Normal?'

Do I need to set turbo ratios, or leave them on auto?

And I see some nutty readings within the BIOS...

CPU Frequency shows 3.2GHz, but the greyed-out button on the right says 4.11GHz. Same thing with memory speed, supposedly running at 1400 (using XMP) but the greyed button says 1599MHz.

Is memory speed limited by the CPU or the board? The H81M-H board claims to support 1600 RAM, which my Team RAM is, but in CPUz Max Bandwidth lists it as 667 (1333)

EDIT: One other thing... according to HWM, the Vcore never drops, even at idle... is it supposed to stay pumped up like that?
 
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crashtech

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If actual Vcore is 1.6V, it is too high. Maybe our terminology is different, but I don't run more than about 1.3V Vcore on air with Haswell.
 

crashtech

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So just the act of increasing voltage to say, 1.2V will make it lock up? Have you tried bumping up VRIN to 1.8-1.9V?
 

Charlie98

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So just the act of increasing voltage to say, 1.2V will make it lock up? Have you tried bumping up VRIN to 1.8-1.9V?

It won't even start Windows. I think I've got the Vrin at 1.8v right now.

I might bump it to 1.9, and then see if I can bump Vcore to 1.18v
 

crashtech

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Seems like if it crashes when increasing voltage, you have a power delivery problem. I don't know anything about that board, looks like a pretty puny power delivery system but it should theoretically be able to handle a 4790 at stock which should draw far more current than a G3258 even at fairly high clocks. How about setting the VRIN LLC to Extreme if you have the option. Also make sure that the ring multiplier is left alone until you find out the source of the instability. If you can adjust Vring manually set it at 1.2V for while and see if that helps any. I think you have some setting wrong in there, sometimes the automatic stuff goes haywire in my experience. Like the greyed out 4.11 is weird, that would imply BCLK is not 100MHz, but I don't know. Might need to reset the BIOS and start over at some point if it is so wonky.
 

Charlie98

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Seems like if it crashes when increasing voltage, you have a power delivery problem. I don't know anything about that board, looks like a pretty puny power delivery system but it should theoretically be able to handle a 4790 at stock which should draw far more current than a G3258 even at fairly high clocks. How about setting the VRIN LLC to Extreme if you have the option. Also make sure that the ring multiplier is left alone until you find out the source of the instability. If you can adjust Vring manually set it at 1.2V for while and see if that helps any. I think you have some setting wrong in there, sometimes the automatic stuff goes haywire in my experience. Like the greyed out 4.11 is weird, that would imply BCLK is not 100MHz, but I don't know. Might need to reset the BIOS and start over at some point if it is so wonky.

Yaa, that's why the 50 questions a couple of posts ago.... I was in my HTPC's B75 board a bit ago and it's the same BIOS layout... it even let me change the CPU multiplier... on a G620? I don't know if it worked or not, I reset it because I was installing a new SSD and didn't have time to fool around.

I'm probably going to reset the CMOS on the H81 board and try to document where I'm making changes. If anyone out there is familiar with the Gigabyte BIOS and can lend a hand, I'd appreciate it!
 

jelsomyno

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want to share my experience about this subject:

i have H81M-HD3 motherboard and two G3258 cpus.
one has written MALAY on it and other COSTA RICA.
malay overclocks to 3.8, costa rica to 4.2.
friend has H81M-P33 and overclocks to 4.4.
both of us change ONLY the multiplier (ratio) parameter and nothing else, no voltages or anything else at all!

hope this info will be useful to someone.
 

Charlie98

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want to share my experience about this subject:

i have H81M-HD3 motherboard and two G3258 cpus.
one has written MALAY on it and other COSTA RICA.
malay overclocks to 3.8, costa rica to 4.2.
friend has H81M-P33 and overclocks to 4.4.
both of us change ONLY the multiplier (ratio) parameter and nothing else, no voltages or anything else at all!

hope this info will be useful to someone.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

malay overclocks to 3.8, costa rica to 4.2.

That's interesting...
 

smokarz

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I just bought this CPU for a budget build for my parents to surf the web, email, youtube, netflix, etc.

Which is the easiest mobo to OC this processor, and is also reliable?

I am looking to probably push it to around 4.0ghz or 4.2ghz with the stock fan/cooler.

Thanks
 

Charlie98

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I just bought this CPU for a budget build for my parents to surf the web, email, youtube, netflix, etc.

Which is the easiest mobo to OC this processor, and is also reliable?

I am looking to probably push it to around 4.0ghz or 4.2ghz with the stock fan/cooler.

Thanks

The G3258 is a decent chip run at stock for the purposes you list, just saying....

If you really want to OC, take a look at post #1 and the boards listed. If you are more inclined, read through the entire thread for hints on OC'ing this chip... it's not as easy as you might think because you are typically using a board not intended to OC on... the problem I'm having right now with my Gigabyte H81M-H board.

And, as always... your results may vary. :sneaky:
 

Charlie98

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Seems like if it crashes when increasing voltage, you have a power delivery problem. I don't know anything about that board, looks like a pretty puny power delivery system but it should theoretically be able to handle a 4790 at stock which should draw far more current than a G3258 even at fairly high clocks. How about setting the VRIN LLC to Extreme if you have the option. Also make sure that the ring multiplier is left alone until you find out the source of the instability. If you can adjust Vring manually set it at 1.2V for while and see if that helps any. I think you have some setting wrong in there, sometimes the automatic stuff goes haywire in my experience. Like the greyed out 4.11 is weird, that would imply BCLK is not 100MHz, but I don't know. Might need to reset the BIOS and start over at some point if it is so wonky.

I think that's where I'm at... I worked with it for 2 hours last night and cannot get it stable above 3.8GHz, and that's making every adjustment and tweak I can think of. With my board, I think it's an issue of voltage delivery... I can't take Vrin above 1.9v... set it to 1.901v... and it resets to auto. I've also locked the RING voltage, RING ratio, raised and lowered Vcore... every tool I have in my mobo's limited toolbox. My board DID allow me to tighten the RAM timing a bit... so go figure.

Anyway, the final results are what I posted above:

3.8GHz stable on a Gigabyte H81M-H w/F8 BIOS @ 1.16v, Vrin @ 1.85v, everything else pretty much stock/auto.
 
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